New 135mm VR Lens?

really nice shots

VR simply helps to better evaluate where the focus line is in the viewfinder. VR does not decrease back and forth movements, only lateral movements. Way enough for me to find VR very practical in the field. In my case, VR increased a lot the percentage of keepers when shooting through the poor VF of the D70 at 1:1 reproduction ratio... Despite that I have 3 dedicated 1:1 macro lens, my favorite remains the 80-400 VR+500D close-up. It does not have the sharpness of a Tamron 90 for example, but is so versatile in the field...

happy macro,
Pierre

Mironv said:

--Yes and no look at this hand held shot 90mm lens with 2XTC





Only way to make hand held macros is with flash.

Mironv



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Boris said:

Nikon should vr the AF-S 300mm f4 lens.

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I would buy that in a minute.

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Are you kidding? VR doesn't help in that situation.

VR helps with slow shutter speeds. But narrow DOF is created by large aperture sizes which increases shutter speed.

VR only helps with camera shake parallel to the sensor plane. The problem with narrow DOF is camera movement orthogonal to the sensor plane (back and forward movements). In this case VR won't help.

Mo.

The great thing about digital is that you can soften the images if you need to if it is too sharp. The only thing that really matters is that the bokeh is good, and that the transition from in focus to out of focus elements is smooth. As long as it is good at those two things, it will make a fine portrait lens. I don't think the sharpness will be a problem.

Mironv said:

--Thast just bolony no macro lenses make good portrait lens.
Most including Leica are sharpest at max f stop and start loosing
stop down yet to get most nice portraits are shot at f2.8-5.6 range
and there are not many peopel looking good when every wrinkel shows
up.
Good portreture lens makes softer glowing pics and this how we see
this in 3-4 generations so we just persive as rigth way.
Mironv



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Think about what you are saying for a min. To increase DOF do to the close focus distance you need to use small apertures. If you use a small aperture the chance is pretty high that your shutter speed will be low. If your shutter speed is low you will benefit from VR as you state which is what my point was in the first place.

nflanders2 said:

Are you kidding? VR doesn't help in that situation.

VR helps with slow shutter speeds. But narrow DOF is created by
large aperture sizes which increases shutter speed.

VR only helps with camera shake parallel to the sensor plane. The
problem with narrow DOF is camera movement orthogonal to the sensor
plane (back and forward movements). In this case VR won't help.

Mo.

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The existing Nikon 105 macro looks very similar. The focusing ring and overall barrel is quite a bit fatter than the threaded ring to mount the filter. The filter ring does look small enough for it to be 52mm which is the same size filter the existing 105 takes.

E Lee said:

I like the idea of a AF-S 105mm micro VR, but the lens photo in the
following link is probably fake.

http://www.pcpop.com/doc/0/121/121228.shtml

It says in Chinese that it has a 52mm front filter size, but the
picture, especially the lens construction diagram, shows a much
larger front size.

E Lee

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Doug

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nflanders2 said:

Are you kidding? VR doesn't help in that situation.

VR helps with slow shutter speeds. But narrow DOF is created by
large aperture sizes which increases shutter speed.

VR only helps with camera shake parallel to the sensor plane. The
problem with narrow DOF is camera movement orthogonal to the sensor
plane (back and forward movements). In this case VR won't help.

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Yes, that's one part of the problem.

VR only helps with rotations (yaw and pitch). At macro distnaces translations (movement of the entire camera up or down, left or right, and (as you point out) towards and away from the subject) dominate the blur.

You need a 5 degree of freedom control system to help, not just 2 degrees (like existing VR lenses) or even 3 degrees.

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Oh, pardon. If you want to increase DOF then you're right, of course! But some like to have narrow DOF (that was what I was talking about) even in macro photography.

I am a tripod fan anyways ;-)

Cheers!
Mo.

brianjb said:

nflanders2 said:

Are you kidding? VR doesn't help in that situation.

VR helps with slow shutter speeds. But narrow DOF is created by
large aperture sizes which increases shutter speed.

VR only helps with camera shake parallel to the sensor plane. The
problem with narrow DOF is camera movement orthogonal to the sensor
plane (back and forward movements). In this case VR won't help.

Mo.

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Mo.

brianjb said:

The great thing about digital is that you can soften the images if
you need to if it is too sharp.

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Exactly. A portrait needs sharpness, it puts sparkle in the eyes, makes the hair "hair" instead of a cloudy mass, and defines the eyelashes. It also makes the jewelry sparkle (women put a lot of time and effort into hair, eyelashes, and jewelry. Don't blur them out).

Glow can be added, in addition to sharpness, by allowing some of the light to form blur, but keeping a portion sharp. That's how a Softar filter works, and why they cost so much. Or how a Nikon DC lens works.

Soft skin is produced by controlling lighting.

brianjb said:

The only thing that really matters
is that the bokeh is good, and that the transition from in focus to
out of focus elements is smooth.

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Then you want to avoid all the Nikon macros. But the Tamron 90mm has portrait bokeh, and I know people who swear by older Vivitar macros or the current Voigtlander Lanthars (availiable in Nikon mount).

brianjb said:

As long as it is good at those
two things, it will make a fine portrait lens. I don't think the
sharpness will be a problem.

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I have used the Canon macro 100 USM and non-USM for portrait work ALL the time. I haven't heard a single complaint from my subjects/clients. What about you? Have you tried it?

Doug said:

I could of sworn I read something about a new 135mm VR lens (with
links to Nikon jp site), but now I can not find it...

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As mentioned earlier in this thread, it was a 105mm macro VR.

The sight that origionally posted it was "Club Nikon", the Bulgarian site that also brough us the fake "F5 digital".

http://www.club-nikon.org/links/digital_f5.htm

Club Nikon has very high standards, they never publish a fake unless the PhotoShop work is top notch.

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