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Everything you say about aspect ratios is right on. However, he mentioned that cost was an issue, which to me rules out a lot of choices. The pivoting Samsung 243T costs about $2500; the pivoting Samsung 213T about $750.

With respect to your earlier question about whether it was hard to read a screen with this resolution: the short answer is yes, it's a bit hard. But rather than using those pixels to display more information you can use them to show you the same information at a larger size. So set it to 1280 X 1024 and it's very easy to read -- you still have pixels to share since most every program is designed for 1024 X 768. (For web browsing and word processors nothing beats portrait BTW).
wilkman said:
Zetto said:
As my old Dell 2001 broke, I want to buy a new LCD. Here is my
question: money is an issue

Do I get better results from 24" LCD with 1920x1200 pixels
than with a 21" LCD with 1600x1200 pixels in terms of ergonomics or
usability?

I know this quesion might sound stupid, but what is your experiance
when using such displays?
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I've spent a lot of time studying this lately .... I've been in the
market for either a single LCD, or a pair ... because I'm
particularly interested in portrait mode as well as horiz.

I'm interested in maximizing the image size of a full 3:2 picture.
I want picts to be as big as they can be, correctly sized. So I've
tried to figure out how a 3:2 image actually fits inside the
various PC format monitors floating around. 21" are 4:3, usually
1600x1200. Widescreens are 16:10, and a 24" nrmally comes in at
1920 x 1200. Actual physical viewing sizes follow pixel counts
extremely closely as there is little difference in the size of
individual pixels between these monitors.

Now, at first blush it looks like the wide screen is the only
monitor capable of providing enough horiz size to allow full use of
the 1200 vertical ... that is 1200 x 3:2 = 1800, which is less than
1920. BUT, can we use the full 1200 vertical? Well, CS2 and every
program I've tried have title bars, or non-moveable tool bars that
rob vertical real estate. I figure 85% of vertical is all that's
normally usable. So 85% of 1200 = 1020. And 1020 x 3:2 = 1510,
which also fits inside a 21" 1600.

Bottom line, a 24" wide screen gives no larger a full image than
does a 21" regular screen. What you get is tool bar space on the
sides. But I would much rather have a second monitor for that ...
but then again, that is an entirely personal preference.

It's a little ironic that horiz 3:2 pics are most constrained by
vertical real estate, as monitors keep expanding horizontally!
And if you rotate a monitor and play around in portrait mode you
find the same thing ... that the pics are vertically constrained
first. Here, widescreens have great value in producing the largest
image .... because they're taller! Go figure!
best, mark
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How about two 20" monitors at 1600X1200 for the price of one 24inch monitor?

Samsungs T204 ($519 from newegg) rotated verticaly, it will create 2400X1600

Here is my setup



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Setup the sony 40in to run from my laptop for software demo's.

So far it looks great - very stable - especially from a laptop source - we also use is as a monitor to test dvd compression and color. Note that sony's tend to run hot on reds.

Exceptional as a dislay monitor for software and dvd viewing - but not enough resolution for image editing.
 
Dell 2105FPW uses the same LG LCD as the apple and has received very good reviews. Was going to buy one when it goes on special again, as I used my father's 20" Apple over Xmas and was shocked at how much better my pictures looked compared to my old Sony CRT.

I then found a review for Gateway's new FPD2185W 21" with pivot feature/ component video/etc., and am leaning more towards it. Has 8ms refresh and 1000:1 contrast.

Decisions, decisions.

Good Luck
 
FullRez said:
Hmm, I put my Viewsonic 21" CRT next to my Dell 24" and the
Viewsonic color and clarity is no match for the Flat Panel.
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Bwahaha.

Try ACCURATE color, CONTRAST, and BLACK VALUES.

Bose "sounds good" but is not "accurate sound"

And I wouldn't call most viewsonics "quality"

You can't get a quality CRT under $500, nor a quality CRT for less than a grand or so.

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FullRez said:
I have two Dell 2405FP and they just can't be beat. Just google the
reviews and you will see just how good they are. They even beat the
Apple 23" in most areas.
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Oh come on!! you can't say that... I currently own an apple cinema 23 and I compared it side by side with the dell, so in which area does the dell beat the apple????l
FullRez said:
Call Dell Small Business and ask for the best price. They had a
special 2 weeks ago for $600.00. I'm sure you can get one for
around $900 even now.
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ricklacey said:
I've got an idea. 2 30" monitors. One on an aticulating arm so you
can rotate it for portraits and the other for your landscapes and
pallets....and for about 5500 or so, you could do that :)

I use an arm with the 30" apple and one of my favorite things to do
with it is pull it toward me
at my desk, bring it down to desk level and tilt it back a bit.
Just as you would if you were propping a book up on your desk to
read. Zero strain and very comfortable.
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Your setup sounds very nice. I expect you are a forerunner of what we will be moving to ..... best, mark
 
Donald Cooper said:
Everything you say about aspect ratios is right on. However, he
mentioned that cost was an issue, which to me rules out a lot of
choices. The pivoting Samsung 243T costs about $2500; the pivoting
Samsung 213T about $750.

With respect to your earlier question about whether it was hard to
read a screen with this resolution: the short answer is yes, it's
a bit hard. But rather than using those pixels to display more
information you can use them to show you the same information at a
larger size. So set it to 1280 X 1024 and it's very easy to read --
you still have pixels to share since most every program is designed
for 1024 X 768. (For web browsing and word processors nothing beats
portrait BTW).
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I see we think quite alike on the issue of "what fits?"....

What's your experience using LCD's at less than native resolution? I've read they don't handle this as well as CRTs, but I have no direct LCD experince. I just ordered an Eizo 21", but almost went for 19" NECs just to stay in their native 1280 x 1024. (I let the extra size and autorotation of the Eizo sway me.)

I really like 1152 x 868 on a 20" diamondtron .... my old eyes just don't like the little stuff... best, mark
 
wilkman said:
What's your experience using LCD's at less than native resolution?
I've read they don't handle this as well as CRTs, but I have no
direct LCD experince. I just ordered an Eizo 21", but almost went
for 19" NECs just to stay in their native 1280 x 1024. (I let the
extra size and autorotation of the Eizo sway me.)

I really like 1152 x 868 on a 20" diamondtron .... my old eyes just
don't like the little stuff... best, mark
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It is perhaps an issue of "old eyes", isn't it? Unless I'm actually editing photos I run a native 1600 X 1200 in 1280 X 1024. Works great for me, and people who have compared all seem to like it as well. For images the 1600 X 1200 is great, but most programs are designed for 1024 X 768 so all the icons and so forth are too small for my taste. My guess is that the problems your alluding to appear when the monitor has a different aspect ratio and has to "stretch" the program output.

As time goes on I'm sure that will change as a bigger market for higher resolution develops.

I'm sure you'll like your Eizo. They have always made great monitors. Pricey but terrific. Nice choice.
 
Go laugh at yourself in the mirror. What an idiot.

Dude, I can tell you this much. I've been working with graphics and computers on a daily basis for the last 20 years. I know my eyes and I know what I'm looking at when I look at a CRT display or a Flat Panel Display.

There are some really crappy CRT's and some really crappy FLT's but looking at my Dell 24" next to my Viewsonic Pro 21" CRT is no comparison. Yes my CRT is a little older but this was a 1K + CRT when I got it. I've also looked at high end CRT's from Sony and while some of their trinitron ones are nice they don't compare. Sorry!

I'm sitting in front of my LCD not to the side, so take the Angle of View and you know what with it. Dude keep buying your CRT and I'll stick to the Flat Panel - I'll trust my eyes over you any day.

You know I don't know how any of the digital matte paintings I've done for these various movies have ever looked good on the big screen considering the work was done on a Flat Panel. Hmm
 
FullRez said:
Go laugh at yourself in the mirror. What an idiot.

Dude, I can tell you this much. I've been working with graphics and
computers on a daily basis for the last 20 years. I know my eyes
and I know what I'm looking at when I look at a CRT display or a
Flat Panel Display.

There are some really crappy CRT's and some really crappy FLT's but
looking at my Dell 24" next to my Viewsonic Pro 21" CRT is no
comparison. Yes my CRT is a little older but this was a 1K + CRT
when I got it. I've also looked at high end CRT's from Sony and
while some of their trinitron ones are nice they don't compare.
Sorry!

I'm sitting in front of my LCD not to the side, so take the Angle
of View and you know what with it. Dude keep buying your CRT and
I'll stick to the Flat Panel - I'll trust my eyes over you any day.

You know I don't know how any of the digital matte paintings I've
done for these various movies have ever looked good on the big
screen considering the work was done on a Flat Panel. Hmm
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wawawawa

And the painting I did for the Queen of England wawawa

Fun to blow your own trombone when this matters not to this TECHNICAL discussion.

CRTs are simply better technology for ACCUARTE color reproduction.
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Who still sells high end CRTS?

Lacie? Nope. Eizo? Nope.
 
Was this a water color painting or oil? Or did you paint in on the computer. What kinda freaking comparison is that.

As I said, I'll trust my eyes over your lack of technical knowledge. By the way, why don't you put up or shut up? Post the specs, let's see them. Post specs that matter! Why don't you post a photo of your luxurious high end CRT? I'd love to see this. You probably don't even have one but somehow are an authority on the matter. Typical.

Trust me - no one is crying.
 
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