DVD Recorder!

Isabel Cutler · Oct 18, 2001

Yesterday, while I was checking out the 707 at Best Buy in Asheville, NC, I ran into a gentleman who was also checking it out. During our conversation, he mentioned that his priority for viewing his images will be a tv screen...and that he wished the images could be recorded on a DVD. In this morning's mail I received a catalog from Publishing Perfection. We never order from them because their prices are too high BUT they did feature a Pioneer DVD REcorder (for under $1000) Not exactly in the everyone-has-to-have-one price range, yet. Just wanted to pass this on.

Isabel

fg · Oct 18, 2001

The high end Mac G4's have had this built in for about a year now...

Ali · Oct 18, 2001

Isabel Cutler said:
Yesterday, while I was checking out the 707 at Best Buy in
Asheville, NC, I ran into a gentleman who was also checking it out.
During our conversation, he mentioned that his priority for viewing
his images will be a tv screen...and that he wished the images
could be recorded on a DVD. In this morning's mail I received a
catalog from Publishing Perfection. We never order from them
because their prices are too high BUT they did feature a Pioneer
DVD REcorder (for under $1000) Not exactly in the
everyone-has-to-have-one price range, yet. Just wanted to pass
this on.

The desktop Macs that come with "superdrives" allow you to create DVDs suitable for watching in your DVD player. You can put movies and/or pictures, with custom backgrounds, effects, titles, etc. I think the prices start from $2500; the authoring apps iDVD and iMovie are included.

I love being able to put movies from my digital camcorder on DVD --- certainly beats VHS, and I can send it to friends across the ocean... Currently you can put an hour's worth of movies on a DVD, but pictures seem limitless --- recently I put hundreds of snapshots on one DVD, and after burning it, realized the DVD was only about 1% used up!

Ali

Jeff64142 · Oct 18, 2001

For those interested in DVD recording:

DV Direct just mailed a flyer with a Pioneer burner for $779 and a Panasonic burner for $729. See more at http://www.dvdirect.com

Isabel Cutler said:
Yesterday, while I was checking out the 707 at Best Buy in
Asheville, NC, I ran into a gentleman who was also checking it out.
During our conversation, he mentioned that his priority for viewing
his images will be a tv screen...and that he wished the images
could be recorded on a DVD. In this morning's mail I received a
catalog from Publishing Perfection. We never order from them
because their prices are too high BUT they did feature a Pioneer
DVD REcorder (for under $1000) Not exactly in the
everyone-has-to-have-one price range, yet. Just wanted to pass
this on.

Isabel

SPT · Oct 18, 2001

FYI: the Pionner drive in question is available separately (~ $450) for internal mounting in any computer with an IDE controller (i.e. all...).

On the Mac side, except for the G4 including the Apple Superdrive, one still needs to hack the driver to make it bootable.

SPT

Ali said:
Isabel Cutler said:

Yesterday, while I was checking out the 707 at Best Buy in
Asheville, NC, I ran into a gentleman who was also checking it out.
During our conversation, he mentioned that his priority for viewing
his images will be a tv screen...and that he wished the images
could be recorded on a DVD. In this morning's mail I received a
catalog from Publishing Perfection. We never order from them
because their prices are too high BUT they did feature a Pioneer
DVD REcorder (for under $1000) Not exactly in the
everyone-has-to-have-one price range, yet. Just wanted to pass
this on.

Click to expand...

The desktop Macs that come with "superdrives" allow you to create
DVDs suitable for watching in your DVD player. You can put movies
and/or pictures, with custom backgrounds, effects, titles, etc. I
think the prices start from $2500; the authoring apps iDVD and
iMovie are included.

I love being able to put movies from my digital camcorder on DVD
--- certainly beats VHS, and I can send it to friends across the
ocean... Currently you can put an hour's worth of movies on a DVD,
but pictures seem limitless --- recently I put hundreds of
snapshots on one DVD, and after burning it, realized the DVD was
only about 1% used up!

Ali

Eugene Gershtein · Oct 18, 2001

HP's new DVD+R/W recorder is available now for just over $500. http://www.dvdrw.com/ if I remember correctly, has more info on this new technology.

Isabel Cutler said:
Yesterday, while I was checking out the 707 at Best Buy in
Asheville, NC, I ran into a gentleman who was also checking it out.
During our conversation, he mentioned that his priority for viewing
his images will be a tv screen...and that he wished the images
could be recorded on a DVD. In this morning's mail I received a
catalog from Publishing Perfection. We never order from them
because their prices are too high BUT they did feature a Pioneer
DVD REcorder (for under $1000) Not exactly in the
everyone-has-to-have-one price range, yet. Just wanted to pass
this on.

Isabel

fg · Oct 18, 2001

there's a firewire version too correct?

SPT said:
SPT

Ali said:

Isabel Cutler said:

Yesterday, while I was checking out the 707 at Best Buy in
Asheville, NC, I ran into a gentleman who was also checking it out.
During our conversation, he mentioned that his priority for viewing
his images will be a tv screen...and that he wished the images
could be recorded on a DVD. In this morning's mail I received a
catalog from Publishing Perfection. We never order from them
because their prices are too high BUT they did feature a Pioneer
DVD REcorder (for under $1000) Not exactly in the
everyone-has-to-have-one price range, yet. Just wanted to pass
this on.

Click to expand...

The desktop Macs that come with "superdrives" allow you to create
DVDs suitable for watching in your DVD player. You can put movies
and/or pictures, with custom backgrounds, effects, titles, etc. I
think the prices start from $2500; the authoring apps iDVD and
iMovie are included.

I love being able to put movies from my digital camcorder on DVD
--- certainly beats VHS, and I can send it to friends across the
ocean... Currently you can put an hour's worth of movies on a DVD,
but pictures seem limitless --- recently I put hundreds of
snapshots on one DVD, and after burning it, realized the DVD was
only about 1% used up!

Ali

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SPT · Oct 18, 2001

Yes, I'm pretty sure there is, but if there is not, there are plenty options to turn an IDE device to FireWire on the market.

fg said:
SPT said:

SPT

Ali said:

Isabel Cutler said:

Yesterday, while I was checking out the 707 at Best Buy in
Asheville, NC, I ran into a gentleman who was also checking it out.
During our conversation, he mentioned that his priority for viewing
his images will be a tv screen...and that he wished the images
could be recorded on a DVD. In this morning's mail I received a
catalog from Publishing Perfection. We never order from them
because their prices are too high BUT they did feature a Pioneer
DVD REcorder (for under $1000) Not exactly in the
everyone-has-to-have-one price range, yet. Just wanted to pass
this on.

Click to expand...

The desktop Macs that come with "superdrives" allow you to create
DVDs suitable for watching in your DVD player. You can put movies
and/or pictures, with custom backgrounds, effects, titles, etc. I
think the prices start from $2500; the authoring apps iDVD and
iMovie are included.

I love being able to put movies from my digital camcorder on DVD
--- certainly beats VHS, and I can send it to friends across the
ocean... Currently you can put an hour's worth of movies on a DVD,
but pictures seem limitless --- recently I put hundreds of
snapshots on one DVD, and after burning it, realized the DVD was
only about 1% used up!

Ali

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Chris Kojali · Oct 18, 2001

Check out this link http://www.compgeeks.com/details.asp?invtid=DVR-A03 , they have the Pioneer DVD-R for under $500.

BusterKing59588 · Oct 18, 2001

This DVD-RW is very interesting. I was planning to upgrade from my F505v to the F707 but I recently got a digital movie camera. It would be nice to be able to save my movies to DVD instead of tapes. This is making my next purchase hard to decide. What should I do? DVD-RW and stick with my F505v or go for the F707?

Isabel Cutler said:
Yesterday, while I was checking out the 707 at Best Buy in
Asheville, NC, I ran into a gentleman who was also checking it out.
During our conversation, he mentioned that his priority for viewing
his images will be a tv screen...and that he wished the images
could be recorded on a DVD. In this morning's mail I received a
catalog from Publishing Perfection. We never order from them
because their prices are too high BUT they did feature a Pioneer
DVD REcorder (for under $1000) Not exactly in the
everyone-has-to-have-one price range, yet. Just wanted to pass
this on.

Isabel

Ali · Oct 18, 2001

BusterKing59588 said:
This DVD-RW is very interesting. I was planning to upgrade from my
F505v to the F707 but I recently got a digital movie camera. It
would be nice to be able to save my movies to DVD instead of tapes.
This is making my next purchase hard to decide. What should I do?
DVD-RW and stick with my F505v or go for the F707?

I have a 707 and love it, but I'd say if you are thinking of doing a lot of movies, the DVD R/W's additional benefit is probably more than the additional benefit of going from 505V to 707. Being able to put movies on DVD is really very nice. And as far as photos on DVD --- 5 mp vs 2.6 mp won't make much of a visible difference on the TV screen.

Of course with the DVD R/W you do need the a DVD editing app; this might come bundled with the drives, I don't know. One more piece you need (and maybe you have already) is a movie editing app (like iMovie on the Mac; Windows also comes with one these days). When filming events with friends & family, I usually shoot tons of footage, and later edit it down to 10-20% of the length. This also allows you to delay special effects (fades, wipes, titles) etc to later, and not worry about all that while shooting, and also put additional soundtracks if you wish.

Ali

BusterKing59588 · Oct 18, 2001

Thanks for the info Ali. I'm new to the movie camera scene. When you are doing your editing, is this done by using your computer? And saved back on digi tape or vhs?

Ali said:
Ali said:

This DVD-RW is very interesting. I was planning to upgrade from my
F505v to the F707 but I recently got a digital movie camera. It
would be nice to be able to save my movies to DVD instead of tapes.
This is making my next purchase hard to decide. What should I do?
DVD-RW and stick with my F505v or go for the F707?

Click to expand...

I have a 707 and love it, but I'd say if you are thinking of doing
a lot of movies, the DVD R/W's additional benefit is probably more
than the additional benefit of going from 505V to 707. Being able
to put movies on DVD is really very nice. And as far as photos on
DVD --- 5 mp vs 2.6 mp won't make much of a visible difference on
the TV screen.

Of course with the DVD R/W you do need the a DVD editing app; this
might come bundled with the drives, I don't know. One more piece
you need (and maybe you have already) is a movie editing app (like
iMovie on the Mac; Windows also comes with one these days). When
filming events with friends & family, I usually shoot tons of
footage, and later edit it down to 10-20% of the length. This also
allows you to delay special effects (fades, wipes, titles) etc to
later, and not worry about all that while shooting, and also put
additional soundtracks if you wish.

Ali

Ali · Oct 18, 2001

BusterKing said:
Thanks for the info Ali. I'm new to the movie camera scene. When
you are doing your editing, is this done by using your computer?
And saved back on digi tape or vhs?

Yes, the editing is done on the computer. You bring the footage in digitally, using firewire, (also called i.Link, or IEEE1394). Almost all digital camcorders have firewire ports these days. So do Macintoshes and some PCs; if your PC doesn't, you can get a separate card pretty cheap.

You need a good amount of disk space; digital video takes 1 GB for 5 minutes worth of footage.

Then you edit the footage. (This is where you need the movie authoring app.)

Once you're done, you usually save back directly to the DV tapes on the camcorder, from which you can record to video tape. You can also create MPEG or Quicktime movies at various sizes, suitable for sending in email, or putting on the web. Or, as we've been discussing, if you have a DVD R/W and DVD authoring software, you can save DVDs directly from the computer. High-end DVD authoring packages can still run $thousands, but low-end ones are becoming more widely available. (As I mentioned before, iDVD is free with Macs and does the job well.)

Ali

Stever46789 · Oct 18, 2001

Not sure I am interested in paying $500 for something that will take an awful long time to record movies to (1x is slow, wait a bit).

Also, the beauty is I can burn a CD-R and mail it to anyone for pennies on the dollar and you know what else?? They have a CD drive! If you are only concerned about archiving for your own purposes then this should be considered.

I will wait.

Stever

Gege · Oct 18, 2001

And if you want to play your DVD in your DVD payer in the livingroom, on your TV, I think you need a DVD Player which can play CD-W and CD-RW, not all of them are able to do that, so be sure you buy one able to play CD-R.
Gege

hanif · Oct 19, 2001

Forget the Pioneers and Panasonics.

What you should be looking for is a DVD+RW recorder. Philips, HP and others are releaseing these these days. This format has higher compatibility (with set-top boxes) and can record longer on same DVDs.

I think DVD+RW is the way to go.

BryanS · Oct 19, 2001

SPT said:
FYI: the Pionner drive in question is available separately (~ $450)
for internal mounting in any computer with an IDE controller (i.e.
all...).

Heck, why not burn to CDR? Most DVD players will read CDs now.

SPT · Oct 19, 2001

Bryan Siverly said:
SPT said:

FYI: the Pionner drive in question is available separately (~ $450)
for internal mounting in any computer with an IDE controller (i.e.
all...).

Click to expand...

Heck, why not burn to CDR? Most DVD players will read CDs now.

Good point! Only reason I can think of is capacity... 650-700MB vs a few GB. I suppose you have a choice between greater compatibility or capacity.

Ali · Oct 19, 2001

SPT said:
Bryan Siverly said:

SPT said:

FYI: the Pionner drive in question is available separately (~ $450)
for internal mounting in any computer with an IDE controller (i.e.
all...).

Click to expand...

Heck, why not burn to CDR? Most DVD players will read CDs now.

Click to expand...

Good point! Only reason I can think of is capacity... 650-700MB vs
a few GB. I suppose you have a choice between greater compatibility
or capacity.

Well, there is quality; video on DVD is of much higher quality than you can get on CD. And if you try to put DV quality video on a CD without DVD encoding, you find you can fit only 3.5 minutes worth.

Most of the hour or two it takes to write a full DVD is not actually burning the DVD but encoding the data in DVD format.

And as far as compatibility --- to me video-on-DVD is more consumer friendly than video-on-CD. My previous option for giving videos to family and friends was VHS tapes; now the option is DVD. CD was never an option as most people can't watch CDs on their TV.

But yes, the entry price for creating DVDs is still rather high. Agreed with that point! I am lucky to have one at work I can use.

Ali

Gerry Pasternack · Oct 19, 2001

Isabel:
I'm the guy from Asheville who asked the question!

Thanks for posting this, and thanks to all who responded. For the record, my question concerned the ability to show a slide show using the DVD (or CD player) already connected to my large-screen TV. This would alow me to show an archived CD "photo album" containing hundreds of images and some short movie clips. The player is not the problem --lots of these avaivable to read CD-R or CD-RW. In fact I'd even settle for piece of "reader hardware" permanently connected to the AUX input of my TV. What's missing is the editing software to control the slide show.

The only near solution I know of is a new hardware/software product from Microsoft that enables creation of a "photo album" (with titles), along with remote control of the show from an easy chair. The problem is that the only input format is via a single floppy disk. This limits the show to about 40 images, no MPEG, before changing to a new disk.

I guess just I'll continue connecting the DC directly to the TV, and loading up a Memory Stick before the guests arrive.

Anyone out there have a better idea ???

Gerry

Isabel Cutler said:
Yesterday, while I was checking out the 707 at Best Buy in
Asheville, NC, I ran into a gentleman who was also checking it out.
During our conversation, he mentioned that his priority for viewing
his images will be a tv screen...and that he wished the images
could be recorded on a DVD. In this morning's mail I received a
catalog from Publishing Perfection. We never order from them
because their prices are too high BUT they did feature a Pioneer
DVD REcorder (for under $1000) Not exactly in the
everyone-has-to-have-one price range, yet. Just wanted to pass
this on.

Isabel

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