KenRockwell's Hand-on Review 18-200 VR

I found it very useful...but you are asking for trouble mentioning his name around here....;-)
 
Interestingly, Mr. Rockwell edited out the earlier language in the review that said he "just got his" 18-200 lens. That, in conjunction with his statement that he "ordered [his lens] from Adorama" seems to create a question.

Adorama told me personally, several times, that they had received NO 18-200 lenses up to and even beyond the date when Mr. Rockwell published his "hands-on" review. Did Mr. Rockwell magically receive one of the non-existent Adorama 18-200s during a time when they had none? Or is there another explanation?

Could it be that it's just another one of his "hands-on" reviews? Based upon spec sheets and manufacturer's diagrams interwoven with his own speculation and biases?

The 18-200 is an excellent lens of its type. I truly like mine. The D200 is also an excellent camera of its type. You don't really need Mr. Rockwell to tell you just that and regurgitate the specifications.

May I be so bold as to suggest that some of the test and sample photographs and comments posted by 18-200 owners on this forum have a more firm foundation in "hands-on" experience and provide more truly useful information than Mr. Rockwell's review?

Regards,

Tony
 
to add more to this, i'm 99% sure i've seen this article well before 23 Dec 05 which he's NOW saying he got the lens (from Adorama, which doesn't have it yet.) i think i first saw this article or some version there of, in early Dec. anyone else remember this?
 
I remember that the article was first appeared around Dec 5th. There is NO WAY he had the lens at that time.

BTW, adorama is shipping the lens now, I got a shipping status confirmation today. I don't know if this is th first day they are shipping, or they have been shipping for a while, but I am receiving mine in a few days.
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dh
 
This part of your comment...
Anthony Cheh wrote:
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May I be so bold as to suggest that some of the test and sample
photographs and comments posted by 18-200 owners on this forum have
a more firm foundation in "hands-on" experience and provide more
truly useful information than Mr. Rockwell's review?

Regards,

Tony
Well said. Sums up how I feel on the whole issue.
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Fit for release from a mental institution but banned from the 3-0-0-D forum since 6-2005.
 
When he first published the "hands-on" review (first week of Dec. if I remember), he based the review on a production lens that he played with at a show. He then updated it when he says he received his own lens (purchased from Adorama as he claims) on Dec. 23rd.
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Brian
 
Thanks Brian, i seem to remember now, it was not his own lens he first tested and wrote about.
 
When he first published the "hands-on" review (first week of Dec.
if I remember), he based the review on a production lens that he
played with at a show. He then updated it when he says he received
his own lens (purchased from Adorama as he claims) on Dec. 23rd.
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Brian
Hi Brian:

Adorama advised that it received the first 18-200s on December 26th...3 days after even Mr. Rockwell's revised day for "receiving his own lens".

Hmmm...

Regards,

Tony
 
Yeah, I don't claim to know HOW he received his lens on the 23rd from Adorama. Something may be fishy there.
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Brian
 
Let's say you're right and Ken Rockwell fools all of us. He tells us, that he's got his lens from Adorama and updates his site about it. Everyone can read this.

What if Adorama wouldn't have shipped the lens on 26th. Let's say they ship theit first lenses on 15th of January - what then?

Do you really think anyone (Ken Rockwell in this case) is so stupid to risk being called a complete fool for being 'caught' on pretending his tests?

Think about it. Maybe your personal info source at Adorama was fooling you.

I know - envy is such a pain!

btw: never found a better site for personal phaotography tips and tests. I love KenRockwell (not personally - just his site :-)
 
Let's say you're right and Ken Rockwell fools all of us. He tells
us, that he's got his lens from Adorama and updates his site about
it. Everyone can read this.
What if Adorama wouldn't have shipped the lens on 26th. Let's say
they ship theit first lenses on 15th of January - what then?

Do you really think anyone (Ken Rockwell in this case) is so stupid
to risk being called a complete fool for being 'caught' on
pretending his tests?
In the case of Ken Rockwell, yes.
Think about it. Maybe your personal info source at Adorama was
fooling you.
What would Adorama or their sales associate have to gain? It seems pretty obvious what Ken Rockwell would have to gain.
I know - envy is such a pain!
What do you mean by this comment? The only photographer I can think of that is discussed here with any regularity that I envy is Bjorn Rorslett. I envy him for his skill.

Have you ever looked at the photos Ken Rockwell has on his site?
btw: never found a better site for personal phaotography tips and
tests. I love KenRockwell (not personally - just his site :-)
Test? I wouldn't actually call them tests. Tests imply some basic knowledge of the items being discussed. Tests also imply actually touching said items.

No offense meant. You just strike me as starved (from your "I love KenRockwell" comment) for a good source of knowledge. There are numerous sources that easily top Rockwell. One that is a good place to start...
http://www.luminous-landscape.com/
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Fit for release from a mental institution but banned from the 3-0-0-D forum since 6-2005.
 
The best thing that ken rockwell has going for him is his completeness. He has a ton of information available. Something that I've noticed however is alot of it is copied from "review" to review. He makes blanket statements about things and glosses over others that seem important or concerning to me.

I admit that when I found his site I thought it was great. I was still learning digital and needed all the help I could get. But, now that I've found much better sources of info, his site is more of a last resort instead of a "first look". Just my $0.02.
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Brian
 
Hi Tom:

You can also check some of the threads here to see further confirmation of when Adorama received their first 18-200s from Nikon.

Yes, it's possible that Mr. Rockwell did receive a lens from another source. But, the discrepancy in dates and source is just the latest "inconsistency" from Mr. Rockwell.

If you consider Mr. Rockwell to be an authoritative source for objective "hands-on" camera and lens reviews, you're certainly not alone. My personal opinion is he too often feeds on those who want quick, easy and comforting answers.

Mr. Rockwell's own statements don't enhance his credibility in this regard:

"Don't take anything here (my website) as seriously as something you read scribbled on a bathroom wall. In fact, it's easier to put things on websites than it is for a vandal to write on a restroom wall."

See: http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/aboutrvw.htm

and:

"I never said any of this is true and I like to fool arond [sic] now and then and simply make stuff up."

See: http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/aboutrvw.htm

You would probably acknowledge there is a price to pay when you rely excessively upon someone else to tell you what is good and what is bad, rather than undertaking the more difficult task of seeking the facts, learning more about the area, and making your own critical evaluation based upon emprical standards. Ultimately, the issue has little to do with Mr. Rockwell, for the internet (and the world) is full of people who would convince us, rightly or otherwise, that we should let them guide us.

By the way, not "all of us" are fooled by him. And, not all of us are convinced that he respects his audience enough to care if the cracks in the facade are visible.

Best wishes for the New Year,

Tony
 
I enjoy Ken Rockwell's site! I for one take everything I read on the internet with several grains of salt, including what most of you here have written. Ken's site is fine entertainment, and as on person has said, he himself has said not to believe anything you read there.

But one topic on which he is absolutely correct, and that this particular topic clearly demonstrates: This forum is full of elitist "Measurebators".

Just to chime in, his initial hands on review was based on placing his hands-on a demo copy of the lens. He did say this on his site as well.
 
Exactly. If we spent as much time taking photos, as we spend over-analyzing every tiny feature of every piece of equipment - think how good our photos would be...
 
are full of $hit... he comments and compares equipment he has
never used. I dont read anything he write.
How can you know what he is full of if you have never read anything he has written?
 

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