Data backup and jpeg

Yves Bodson

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Until now I have made copies of my photos onto CDs and DVDs. As my assets are growing in size and in volume I am looking to buy a digital backup system

The question I have is related to the compression used/provided by these systems and the effect on that compression on my photos, raw or tiff or jpg.

I know that when decompressing a file there is a loss unless the compression system is itself loss less.
Some experience and thoughts on that ?
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jpg is said to lose quality with time. for this reason it is not advisable to store in jpg

best to store is tiff format

raw should be stored as originals archive

just my personal opinion
cheers
 
I have never heard or known JPEG's to loose quality with time - only with direct manipulation, such as post processing.

I do agree though, that TIFF is a much better format to store originals in. I use JPEG to send out samples to those who need to see items of interest. Storing the raws help, but those formats will go away with time and the retirement of the camera in question. TIFF has been around for 20+ years and is an ITU standard (See T.38 spec for fax), as well as an accepted universal archival standard.

However, the original poster was asking about digital storage options.

Several things to consider:

1. You can store JPEGs, TIFFs, or any other type of digital data onto a media with lossless compression and suffer no quality degredation.

2. JPEGs are already "compressed" with respect to redundant data contained within the format. The reason it is "lossy" has to do with the fact that in creating the JPEG, the algorithm chooses to keep what it considers to be important pixel data and throws away non-important pixel so that (depending on the quality setting - ie: Photshop) you may loose 10% to up to 90% of the originally captured digital information in the process of creating the image in that format. Your eyes still see a nice picture, but there is nothing there in the file but "essential" data used to create the photo. Post Processing the image again will cause another loss of information and detail as the same alogrithm is applied each time.

So, when you attempt to compress a JPEG, you get little to no space savings on your media as there is little to no redundant information to be tokenized by the compression software - unlike BMP's where I have seen compression ratios run as high as 100:1.

3. Any long term digital media that is of archival quality will suffice to store images. The National Archives in Washington DC still uses tape as a main source of information storage. They have been evaluating the use of DVD media for some time. Back in 2001 they concluded that tape still had the lead with a 20+ year life span for premiun quality media stored under the right conditions. However, I don't have any friends who have 9 track mag tape drives, so DVD/CD makes a good next gambit.

Realistically, when stored properly, a "Lifetime" DVD (such as Verbatim) should last you between 5-10 years before the organic dyes in the media degrade to the point you risk loosing you data. The actual lifespan is dependant on a number of factors such as temperature, humidty, storage, and most importantly - exposure to light. Kept in a light proof container, upright, at human comfortable temperatures (55-75 F), with low relative humidity and played in your drive very rarely, you should see the long end of the lifespan.

Another popular option is the use of external hard drives. This is not a bad option, if you plan to store the drive away and not keep it spinning all day long. Since it is a mechanical device, it has a lifespan. A good quality drive these days has a MTBF rating of 1-2 million hours of operation between failures. To out it into context, if you started a drive like this up and let it operation contiously, you should see about 4167 days of use, or a smidge more that 11.4 years (given 1 million hour MTBF).

Conclusion:

I've only touched on a few thinggs here, but whatever media you decide to use, I would highly suggest making sure you backup your photos onto multiple media (either all CD,DVD, disk, tape) or a combination thereof, to insure that if you have one that fails, there are other copies to be used that work. I would also suggest storing one or two copies offsite, incase you house burns down or other calamity - so you don't loose the irreplaceable.

...Paul
jpg is said to lose quality with time. for this reason it is not
advisable to store in jpg

best to store is tiff format

raw should be stored as originals archive

just my personal opinion
cheers
 
As far as i have read, Genix's information is accurate but read the above post and think about it please...

10 years of lifetime...

Your color slides were good for 20 or more if stored properly and B+W film is good for well over 100 years if all the Fixer has been wshed out.

A photograph is not something you expect to fade or be destroyed in 10 years.

I have many photos that are important to me that are 30 and 40 years old and we are saying that all of out digital images are likely to be gone in 10 to what, maybe 15 years tops. That just doesn't work for who we are and why we take photos.

If we don't care about looking at ourselves when we were kids and playing on the beach, with the trim waist lines and full head of blone hair and looking at those pictures with our grand kids sitting on our lap with the light reflecting off of a now bald head then OK, 15 years is enough...

But that's why photos are made, ultimately at least..

Or so I think

The only logical strategy today is

1. Make an archival print of all important photographs-and if the experts are correct, the prints from, for example Costco will still be good in 35 years unless you leave them out in the sunshine. Make the prints and store them in darkness.

2. Make a back up on a hard drive that you do not in fact use or even spin up except to access the information.

Hard drives are sealed in an inert atmosphere and unless you run them all the time, they should be good for literally thousands of years if you only access them once or twice a year. USB 2 connectable external hard drives are relatively inexpensive-I think $140 for 250 GB of information and that isn't all that much to pay for security on your images. Why not make two just in case....

Overkill-??

Perhaps, but I have my photo inventory backed up in drives that are not powered up except to access the data or to add new data. At that rate of access they should be good for many many generations.
 
I am a photographer by trade, so I will discuss here what I offer to my clients. My system is by no means perfect, but I consider it a good compromise.

I archive all the images deliverd to clients in jpeg format. If the originals were shot in RAW and deliverd as tiffs, I run a PS action which convert them to jpegs 12 as a last step before archiving. If they were jpegs, I keep them as such. We do not use any other jpeg setting except 12.

Now for the media:

When I started with digital, the CD was the best option. Three years later and over 300 CDs in my archive, they were replaced by DVDs.

I simply moved all my archive to DVDs and I patiently wait for the new standard to appear. I estimate that the time between switching standards will be around or less than 5 years, so quite in the lifespan of the media.

And so on...

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