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Numfar said:
Numfar said:
If you think that getting rid of legally owned handguns or rifles
will stop crime or gun violence or drug wars then you are less
intelligent than I have given you credit for.
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That type of argument isn't particularly effective. It's pretty
easy to get away with stating truths when speaking in absolutes.

It would be equally true to suggest "If you think spending $10
million in an attempt to innoculate every child in the country
against the flu will eliminate the disease, you are less
intelligent than I have given you credit for."

Of course the flu will still happen, and one in 10,000 kids may get
seriously ill from the vaccination - but without the innoculation,
hundreds, if not thousands MORE children die from the flu every
year. The innocualation won't get rid of the flu, but it will
reduce the impact, and save lives.

What's this got to do with guns? A fair bit, given the argument above.

Getting rid of guns won't eliminate gun crime - that is true.
Illegal guns will still be around - particularly since they funnel
in so easily from the south. That said, many of the gun deaths in
Canada every year are not just drug or gang related. Domestic
violence is where eliminating legal handguns will have a serious,
positive impact.

When a spouse becomes enraged, they may strike out at their partner
with the maximun available force. If a gun is handy - which is may
well be in the house of a handgun owner - then it's pretty easy, in
those moments of rage, to grab the gun and fire. It's not fantasy
or a construct - it happens. Taking those guns out of the hands of
those folks - not the die-hard criminal element, but the otherwise
'normal' citizen who, due to work or economic stress, collapsing
home life, whatever - snaps and goes into a rage.

Whether or not this is a sufficient argument to justify banning
handguns is up to you - I'm not going to argue it one way or
another. But it is a fact that eliminating hand guns will reduce
the number of gun-deaths in Canada in any given year. It won't
eliminate it, no, but it will reduce the numbers.

Given that, the question becomes what is the ballance between the
value of those lives and the value of our 'right' to own and keep a
hand gun.

But it's not equitable to try to skew the debate by
passive-agressively arguing in absolutes when they don't
necessarily properly frame the issue.
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JackJosephJr said:
Oh Jeez, here we go again.

All the people (and nations) who want to be away from guns,
thinking that the things might jump up and shoot them, can do so.

Just don't forget to call the folks with the guns the next time you
need your sorry a$$es bailed out. It has happened in the past and
it absolutely will happen in the future. Human history is much
like the Dpreview forum, it just keeps repeating itself over and
over and over.

Now, how 'bout the 5D?
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wrong forum.

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Nice pic Jody, as usual.

I have to ask ... 400mm @ 1/60 ... are you human like us ? Do you breathe ? Do you have arms equiped with IS ?

;)

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G. Gray said:
Daniella wrote:
All guns are not used to kill. That is BS. That is a silly response.
My use of guns is only for target shooting. It is as harmless as golf.
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I have more healthy hobby, more creative and not destructive..wether be it a piece of target or animals or humans..what ever.

Facts about that police woman that was shot in Montreal:

1- she was only 25 year old and very pretty
2- the guy who shot her did it with a legal firearm

3- he was on parole and the juge who let him out allowed him to keep his gun during hunting season
4- the bullet went right through her bullet proof vest.

and fact number 5, she's now dead because of a legal owned gun..but its legal owner...she won't see this Christmass..she won't have children..she won't do anything else..she's dead..gone, forever..all this because of a stupid legaly owned gun. here is her picture:



banning guns won't 'eliminate' all gun crimes, but it would have done it for her and she would still be alive today.

this is not really the place to discuss the nobility of owning guns..but you are totaly wasting your precious time if you are trying to convince me.

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Hadn't the discussion turned to something like "they should ban hunting guns too.. a police woman just got shot in Montreal and was killed with a big caliber elephant hunting gun or something like that. she had a bulletproof jacket but that thing went right through her like butter...no matter the jacket."

"guns are a nuisance but what does this has to do with photography??"?

Therefore my answer pertained to this thread. And by the way, your last sentence is really begging the question in that you have an arbitary conclusion built into the question. Your question can only be answered by those who follow your point of view in that if you don't believe that "guns are a nuisance" there is in fact no question to answer.

To put it another way it would be like drifting back to the subject of photography and posing the question, "my 10D sucks, should I get a 20D?" Only someone who thinks that 10Ds suck could even answer. For the rest of us it's not even a valid question.
 
Rowbear said:
Nice pic Jody, as usual.

I have to ask ... 400mm @ 1/60 ... are you human like us ? Do you
breathe ? Do you have arms equiped with IS ?
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I'm wagering he has gyro-stabalized footwear.
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Numfar said:
Rowbear said:
Nice pic Jody, as usual.

I have to ask ... 400mm @ 1/60 ... are you human like us ? Do you
breathe ? Do you have arms equiped with IS ?
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I'm wagering he has gyro-stabalized footwear.
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Close, it is my gyro-stabilized, camoflaged, genuine © Saskatchewan Seal skin jammies with the flap in the back that do it. :oP No really I had monopods surgically implanted into my elbows while I was getting the plate in my ankle done. :o)

Thanks guys, you are far too kind. You sure know how to make a guy feel all warm and fuzzy! (the jammies help too! :o)

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Capturer of God's Creations.
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There is a very fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness'.
 
I am not trying to convince you about guns. And you are right my time is precious to me. I think you should direct your anger towards the Judge in Quebec. It is very sad about the woman police officer in Quebec and I am sure that other provinces have their share of crimes that should not have happened. Its easy to dump on guns but car deaths and medical malpractice cause many many more deaths but nobody complains.

The original post was a piece of equipment to support a camera. Lets leave it at that.
Daniella said:
G. Gray said:
Daniella wrote:
All guns are not used to kill. That is BS. That is a silly response.
My use of guns is only for target shooting. It is as harmless as golf.
Click to expand...
I have more healthy hobby, more creative and not
destructive..wether be it a piece of target or animals or
humans..what ever.

Facts about that police woman that was shot in Montreal:

1- she was only 25 year old and very pretty
2- the guy who shot her did it with a legal firearm
3- he was on parole and the juge who let him out allowed him to
keep his gun during hunting season
4- the bullet went right through her bullet proof vest.

and fact number 5, she's now dead because of a legal owned gun..but
its legal owner...she won't see this Christmass..she won't have
children..she won't do anything else..she's dead..gone,
forever..all this because of a stupid legaly owned gun. here is her
picture:



banning guns won't 'eliminate' all gun crimes, but it would have
done it for her and she would still be alive today.

this is not really the place to discuss the nobility of owning
guns..but you are totaly wasting your precious time if you are
trying to convince me.

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Please do not start new thread for private message to me but send
them to me via email instead! thanks.
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The same old fiction without thinking about it and the same old non thinkers go along with you.
The majority of gun violence is by illegal guns , period.
Some suicides but they will only choose another method.
Some domestic violence but then again it will by some other method.

You and others just spout out all the fables and ignore the real problems. Perhaps it makes you think that you are actually changing something. Sort of like "do not equate movement with progress"

You are really not concerned with actually saving lives or making a situation better, You are only spouting out non facts so that other non thinking people will think you are actually doing something. Its BS.

You see I know its easier to complain hot and heavily about the Hundreds of people (IN CANADA) killed by gun violence then it is to talk about the thousands of people killed by automobile violence or the thousands of people killed by medical malpractice. I don't see you or the others helping the homeless or searching for a cure for cancer or any of the more useful things you can do. You and others are like the Canadian government. You wave a finger at legally owned guns as being a problem while millions of dollars are being ........... on sponsership type products. Its called misdirection. Look at guns and ignore all the other more important problems.

I can hardly believe that reasonably intelligent people can go along with this cr@p.

NOTE: legally owned handgunshave been registered in Canada since the 30s. So they told you all the money for registering was for WHY? Its the illegal weapons causing the problem . Grow up.
 
G. Gray said:
You see I know its easier to complain hot and heavily about the
Hundreds of people (IN CANADA) killed by gun violence then it is to
talk about the thousands of people killed by automobile violence or
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it's very funny to see guns advocates takes car accidents, airplane crash, crocodile attack, shark attacks you name it attacks as an excuse for guns.

what does car accidents have to do with guns? so if I understand you correctly..it was ok for that police woman who was shot but a legaly owned gun just because there are more people dying from car accidents??

or it was ok that she was killed because there are tousand of people killed by medical malpractice?? is one supposed to be an excuse for the other..there is simply no logic in that type of argument.

this remind me of the smokers argument "we must die of something anyway". ever heard that one?
G. Gray said:
the thousands of people killed by medical malpractice. I don't see
you or the others helping the homeless or searching for a cure for
cancer or any of the more useful things you can do. You and others
are like the Canadian government. You wave a finger at legally
owned guns as being a problem while millions of dollars are being
........... on sponsership type products. Its called misdirection.
Look at guns and ignore all the other more important problems.
I can hardly believe that reasonably intelligent people can go
along with this cr@p.
NOTE: legally owned handgunshave been registered in Canada since
the 30s. So they told you all the money for registering was for
WHY? Its the illegal weapons causing the problem . Grow up.
Click to expand...
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It is interesting that you should reply to my post. It is my impression that if the police officer had been killed in Vancouver , you would have not replied. You are ignoring the # of people killed, 100s for guns 1000s for cars.

It is easy to complain about guns instead of complaining about the real cause of unnecessary death.

I know that you are an intelligent person and yet you continue to talk about guns instead of the real cause of unnecessary death.
Why is that ?
Daniella said:
G. Gray said:
You see I know its easier to complain hot and heavily about the
Hundreds of people (IN CANADA) killed by gun violence then it is to
talk about the thousands of people killed by automobile violence or
Click to expand...
it's very funny to see guns advocates takes car accidents, airplane
crash, crocodile attack, shark attacks you name it attacks as an
excuse for guns.

what does car accidents have to do with guns? so if I understand
you correctly..it was ok for that police woman who was shot but a
legaly owned gun just because there are more people dying from car
accidents??

or it was ok that she was killed because there are tousand of
people killed by medical malpractice?? is one supposed to be an
excuse for the other..there is simply no logic in that type of
argument.

this remind me of the smokers argument "we must die of something
anyway". ever heard that one?
Daniella68313 said:
the thousands of people killed by medical malpractice. I don't see
you or the others helping the homeless or searching for a cure for
cancer or any of the more useful things you can do. You and others
are like the Canadian government. You wave a finger at legally
owned guns as being a problem while millions of dollars are being
........... on sponsership type products. Its called misdirection.
Look at guns and ignore all the other more important problems.
I can hardly believe that reasonably intelligent people can go
along with this cr@p.
NOTE: legally owned handgunshave been registered in Canada since
the 30s. So they told you all the money for registering was for
WHY? Its the illegal weapons causing the problem . Grow up.
Click to expand...
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them to me via email instead! thanks.
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Life is hard. Guns dont kill anyone, they are a tool. You should be angry at people willing to take life so easily. If there were no guns it would be knives, no knives spears, no spears rocks. If you ban all those weapons, people will still come up with a way to kill each other (and in fact we have, what we call the martial arts of the east). If you want people to stop killing people, what you need to get rid of is... well, the people.
 
I know this doesn't have anything to do with photography and doesn't belong here, but I just can't stand to see something stated as fact when it cannot possibly be known to be a fact.
Numfar said:
Getting rid of guns won't eliminate gun crime - that is true.
Illegal guns will still be around - particularly since they funnel
in so easily from the south.
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Agreed.
Numfar said:
Domestic
violence is where eliminating legal handguns will have a serious,
positive impact.
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I can't possibly know, but based on history and what I've seen in the hospital where I worked, I don't believe this is true. When guns are not available, there are always kitchen knives and other means. These tools are employed equally effectively. Check the statistics. If someone is enraged enough, they will use whatever means available. It happens - I've seen these victims brought into the emergency room. And not only will there NOT be lower frequency of deaths due to domestic violence, the number of deaths by criminals will increase (see below), so the total will increase, not decrease.
Numfar said:
When a spouse becomes enraged, they may strike out at their partner
with the maximun available force. If a gun is handy - which is may
well be in the house of a handgun owner - then it's pretty easy, in
those moments of rage, to grab the gun and fire.
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It's also easy to grab a knife (OJ's former wife) and slash and stab. Knife wounds usually kill slower, but they kill just the same. If I had to be the victim of domestic violence, I'd rather the perp use a gun and be done with it than die slowly from multiple stab wounds from a knife or scissors.
Numfar said:
But it is a fact that eliminating hand guns will reduce
the number of gun-deaths in Canada in any given year. It won't
eliminate it, no, but it will reduce the numbers.
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I don't agree that it is a fact as you stated. You can't know it is a fact just like I can't know it is not. There is a slim possibility, but I doubt it. Look at the countries that have already banned handguns. Their gun deaths have increased. Now, that is a fact. Just do a search. Just as soon as the criminals know that they are home free and will not get any return fire, they escalate and the violence increases.
Numfar said:
Given that, the question becomes what is the ballance between the
value of those lives and the value of our 'right' to own and keep a
hand gun.
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Historically speaking, if you give up the rights of law-abiding citizens to own guns, you will be opening the door for criminals to kill even more. Many of the burglaries (when nobody is at home) that are now committed will turn into robberies (when people are at home.) In countries where guns are owned legally, criminals spend some time watching potential victims homes and businesses so that they can steal when they will not be confronted by someone that might have a gun. If we no longer have legal guns in our homes and businesses, those criminals will likely just come in any time and shoot to kill if necessary.

This is just my opinion, but it has proven out in other countries, so it is based on historical fact. Let's learn from history. And let's spend some time and money educating people on how to use, store and maintain their guns in a safe manner.

Patti
 
G. Gray said:
It is interesting that you should reply to my post. It is my
impression that if the police officer had been killed in Vancouver
, you would have not replied. You are ignoring the # of people
killed, 100s for guns 1000s for cars.
Click to expand...
I don't think that becauase 1000 people get killed by car is an excuse for even a single one killed by gun.

I don,t go by this type of logic or lack of.

if she was anywhere else, I would have been equaly outraged, it does not make a bit of difference where she was, as long as of course would hear about it.
G. Gray said:
It is easy to complain about guns instead of complaining about the
real cause of unnecessary death.
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guns are easy way accross if someone wants to do bad. all too easy to pull the trigger.
G. Gray said:
I know that you are an intelligent person and yet you continue to
talk about guns instead of the real cause of unnecessary death.
Why is that ?
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Let me tell you only this..this policewoman would still be alive today if that guy could not have bought a gun. I am not trying to find excuse for this in a thousand of car crashes.

I guess it's totaly pointless to talk about that here anyway..you have your opinions and you obviously like guns..hope that nothing bad ever happen to you or your family because of guns..

I have my opinion on them and it's not about to change.
G. Gray said:
Daniella said:
G. Gray said:
You see I know its easier to complain hot and heavily about the
Hundreds of people (IN CANADA) killed by gun violence then it is to
talk about the thousands of people killed by automobile violence or
Click to expand...
it's very funny to see guns advocates takes car accidents, airplane
crash, crocodile attack, shark attacks you name it attacks as an
excuse for guns.

what does car accidents have to do with guns? so if I understand
you correctly..it was ok for that police woman who was shot but a
legaly owned gun just because there are more people dying from car
accidents??

or it was ok that she was killed because there are tousand of
people killed by medical malpractice?? is one supposed to be an
excuse for the other..there is simply no logic in that type of
argument.

this remind me of the smokers argument "we must die of something
anyway". ever heard that one?
G. Gray said:
the thousands of people killed by medical malpractice. I don't see
you or the others helping the homeless or searching for a cure for
cancer or any of the more useful things you can do. You and others
are like the Canadian government. You wave a finger at legally
owned guns as being a problem while millions of dollars are being
........... on sponsership type products. Its called misdirection.
Look at guns and ignore all the other more important problems.
I can hardly believe that reasonably intelligent people can go
along with this cr@p.
NOTE: legally owned handgunshave been registered in Canada since
the 30s. So they told you all the money for registering was for
WHY? Its the illegal weapons causing the problem . Grow up.
Click to expand...
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I just got the BushHawk and went to test it at (5f degrees), seems to work fine (although needed some time to get used to).

The question is: When Fastening the lens tripod holder to the BsHk, it get loosen and eventually when I use it the lens moving to the right (or left) and is needed to be fastened again. Does this happen to you as well?

Thanks

Nyc
 
nyc said:
I just got the BushHawk and went to test it at (5f degrees), seems
to work fine (although needed some time to get used to).

The question is: When Fastening the lens tripod holder to the BsHk,
it get loosen and eventually when I use it the lens moving to the
right (or left) and is needed to be fastened again. Does this
happen to you as well?
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No that hasn't happened to me. You do need to try and really crank that thing tight on there though. They could have made that area a little easier to tighten. Maybe put a towel or something over the thing you tighten and then use some channel locks to tighten it better?

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Capturer of God's Creations.
CATS Member > ^..^
http://www.pbase.com/jody_melanson



There is a very fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness'.
 
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