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GREAT!!!!

This is what I did in Photoshop 6:
  • 2100UZ, HQ mode Image (1600 x 1200 72dpi)
  • Resized to 6 x 4.5 inches @266.67dpi (Resample Image is OFF, this will allow the dpi to automatically increase)
  • Adjusted levels (Image / Adjust / Levels)
  • Cropped image to 6 x 4 inches
  • Saved file (File / Save As / JPG / Image Quality 12
  • Uploaded to Walmart.com and picked them up the local Walmart 5 days later!! $0.26 each
I would HIGHLY recommend Walmart as a digital image processing store!!

The next thing I want to do is send them some 5 x 7's and 8 x 10's and see how they come out.

Mitch
 
Is the paper as heavy as reagular photopaper? Do you think you could tell that the picture was taken from a digital camera by looking at the photo?
Mitchel said:
GREAT!!!!

This is what I did in Photoshop 6:
  • 2100UZ, HQ mode Image (1600 x 1200 72dpi)
  • Resized to 6 x 4.5 inches @266.67dpi (Resample Image is OFF, this
will allow the dpi to automatically increase)
  • Adjusted levels (Image / Adjust / Levels)
  • Cropped image to 6 x 4 inches
  • Saved file (File / Save As / JPG / Image Quality 12
  • Uploaded to Walmart.com and picked them up the local Walmart 5
days later!! $0.26 each

I would HIGHLY recommend Walmart as a digital image processing store!!

The next thing I want to do is send them some 5 x 7's and 8 x 10's
and see how they come out.

Mitch
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Mitchel said:
  • Resized to 6 x 4.5 inches @266.67dpi (Resample Image is OFF, this
will allow the dpi to automatically increase)
  • Cropped image to 6 x 4 inches
The next thing I want to do is send them some 5 x 7's and 8 x 10's
and see how they come out.
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I don't understand why you resized your pictures? I uploaded the original size 1600x1200 to them and asked for 4x6's and they where fine.

Debbie
 
Brian,

The paper is exactly like regualr photo paper, it is:

Fuji, FujiColor Crystal Archive Paper.

There is NO way you could look at them and say it was a digital camera.

Seriously...they are great!!!

Mitch
Brian said:
Mitchel said:
GREAT!!!!

This is what I did in Photoshop 6:
  • 2100UZ, HQ mode Image (1600 x 1200 72dpi)
  • Resized to 6 x 4.5 inches @266.67dpi (Resample Image is OFF, this
will allow the dpi to automatically increase)
  • Adjusted levels (Image / Adjust / Levels)
  • Cropped image to 6 x 4 inches
  • Saved file (File / Save As / JPG / Image Quality 12
  • Uploaded to Walmart.com and picked them up the local Walmart 5
days later!! $0.26 each

I would HIGHLY recommend Walmart as a digital image processing store!!

The next thing I want to do is send them some 5 x 7's and 8 x 10's
and see how they come out.

Mitch
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Debbie,

I resized them to make sure I got exactly what I wanted in the photo, 1600x1200 does NOT produce a true 6"x4" print, it produces a 6"x4.5" print, and I did not want Walmart to "guess" what I wanted cutout.

I read somewere on this forum that it was best to send them EXACTLY what you wanted, all I can say is they look GREAT!!!

Mitch
Debbie said:
Mitchel said:
  • Resized to 6 x 4.5 inches @266.67dpi (Resample Image is OFF, this
will allow the dpi to automatically increase)
  • Cropped image to 6 x 4 inches
The next thing I want to do is send them some 5 x 7's and 8 x 10's
and see how they come out.
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I don't understand why you resized your pictures? I uploaded the
original size 1600x1200 to them and asked for 4x6's and they where
fine.

Debbie
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Mitchel said:
I resized them to make sure I got exactly what I wanted in the
photo, 1600x1200 does NOT produce a true 6"x4" print, it produces a
6"x4.5" print, and I did not want Walmart to "guess" what I wanted
cutout.

I read somewere on this forum that it was best to send them EXACTLY
what you wanted, all I can say is they look GREAT!!!

Mitch
Debbie said:
Mitchel wrote:
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I agree they are great!!!! and I will start resizing my pictures. Thanks for the tip!
Mitchel Tendler said:
Mitchel Tendler said:
Mitchel Tendler said:
  • Resized to 6 x 4.5 inches @266.67dpi (Resample Image is OFF, this
will allow the dpi to automatically increase)
  • Cropped image to 6 x 4 inches
The next thing I want to do is send them some 5 x 7's and 8 x 10's
and see how they come out.
Click to expand...
I don't understand why you resized your pictures? I uploaded the
original size 1600x1200 to them and asked for 4x6's and they where
fine.

Debbie
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Just got mine back a couple days ago. Very impressed! No way could you tell they were digital. Looked much better than any 35mm I ever had developed. After cropping for 4x6 and editing,(levels,contrast and sharpening in Photoshop), I just "saved as" the 72ppi files and uploaded. Maybe for a 8x10 I might up the ppi to 150 but 4x6's come out great as is. Yes, the paper is Fujicolor Crystal Archive and IS regular photopaper like you'er used to. I'm very satisfied...Bob
Mitchel said:
GREAT!!!!

This is what I did in Photoshop 6:
  • 2100UZ, HQ mode Image (1600 x 1200 72dpi)
  • Resized to 6 x 4.5 inches @266.67dpi (Resample Image is OFF, this
will allow the dpi to automatically increase)
  • Adjusted levels (Image / Adjust / Levels)
  • Cropped image to 6 x 4 inches
  • Saved file (File / Save As / JPG / Image Quality 12
  • Uploaded to Walmart.com and picked them up the local Walmart 5
days later!! $0.26 each

I would HIGHLY recommend Walmart as a digital image processing store!!

The next thing I want to do is send them some 5 x 7's and 8 x 10's
and see how they come out.

Mitch
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Michael,

I can understand wanting to crop to the proportions for the photo size that you want but I still don't understand why you would want to resize it. It seems that you would loose pixels that the printing process would need. I'm actually very interested in this because if it works just as well to resize it, then that is less that you have to upload to their web site. You might want to send one version that is just cropped to the 4x6 proportion and then another one that is not only cropped but resized to 4x6 and see if you can tell the difference between the two.

Just words for thought.

Thanks,
John A. Dupre, Jr
http://johnduprejr.com
Mitchel said:
Debbie,

I resized them to make sure I got exactly what I wanted in the
photo, 1600x1200 does NOT produce a true 6"x4" print, it produces a
6"x4.5" print, and I did not want Walmart to "guess" what I wanted
cutout.

I read somewere on this forum that it was best to send them EXACTLY
what you wanted, all I can say is they look GREAT!!!

Mitch
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Yes,

Wal mart does a decent job for the money and with top quality printer and materials.. Unfortunately you or they have to cramp the image or crop it to fit into the standard 4X6 printsize.

I've found a better soultion using Photoaccess.com . They do actual digital sized prints. No resizing necessary as their prints measure 4-1/2" X 6". They are called 6" digital prints.(.49 ea) They also have larger digital prints competitively priced.

Surprising how much you lose when other on line processors crop that 1/2" out of your image. Maybe with most digicams that have a limited focal range of 35-105mm it matters less cause you probably crop more often ,but with a C2100 UZ it's 10X zoom lets you compose your image in camera , resulting in getting exactly what you want to view in printed form using all of it's pixels. I don't relish losing any more pixels or image content by a processor chopping my images.JD
Mitchel said:
GREAT!!!!

This is what I did in Photoshop 6:
  • 2100UZ, HQ mode Image (1600 x 1200 72dpi)
  • Resized to 6 x 4.5 inches @266.67dpi (Resample Image is OFF, this
will allow the dpi to automatically increase)
  • Adjusted levels (Image / Adjust / Levels)
  • Cropped image to 6 x 4 inches
  • Saved file (File / Save As / JPG / Image Quality 12
  • Uploaded to Walmart.com and picked them up the local Walmart 5
days later!! $0.26 each

I would HIGHLY recommend Walmart as a digital image processing store!!

The next thing I want to do is send them some 5 x 7's and 8 x 10's
and see how they come out.

Mitch
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For 4X6 prints a 1/3 MP will produce nice prints on the Fuji Frontier printer that wal mart uses.That is the absolute minimun resolution.I know from experience be cause I have had them done. Naturally 1 MP and higher does better but more than 1 MP for 4X6 prints is overkill and wasted.
You will surely need more resolution to go bigger though.JD
Bob S said:
Mitchel said:
GREAT!!!!

This is what I did in Photoshop 6:
  • 2100UZ, HQ mode Image (1600 x 1200 72dpi)
  • Resized to 6 x 4.5 inches @266.67dpi (Resample Image is OFF, this
will allow the dpi to automatically increase)
  • Adjusted levels (Image / Adjust / Levels)
  • Cropped image to 6 x 4 inches
  • Saved file (File / Save As / JPG / Image Quality 12
  • Uploaded to Walmart.com and picked them up the local Walmart 5
days later!! $0.26 each

I would HIGHLY recommend Walmart as a digital image processing store!!

The next thing I want to do is send them some 5 x 7's and 8 x 10's
and see how they come out.

Mitch
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I think you may have the terminology mixed up. Resize and resample are two very different things. A resize without a resample does not change any of the pixels. They remain the same as the original, no more, no less. The resize in effect tells the printer how close together the pixels should be for printing.

A resample on the other hand adds or subtracts pixels depending on whether you are enlarging or shrinking. Resampling is typically not needed to send a photo in for processessing.
John A. Dupre said:
I can understand wanting to crop to the proportions for the photo
size that you want but I still don't understand why you would want
to resize it. It seems that you would loose pixels that the
printing process would need. I'm actually very interested in this
because if it works just as well to resize it, then that is less
that you have to upload to their web site. You might want to send
one version that is just cropped to the 4x6 proportion and then
another one that is not only cropped but resized to 4x6 and see if
you can tell the difference between the two.

Just words for thought.

Thanks,
John A. Dupre, Jr
http://johnduprejr.com
Mitchel said:
Debbie,

I resized them to make sure I got exactly what I wanted in the
photo, 1600x1200 does NOT produce a true 6"x4" print, it produces a
6"x4.5" print, and I did not want Walmart to "guess" what I wanted
cutout.

I read somewere on this forum that it was best to send them EXACTLY
what you wanted, all I can say is they look GREAT!!!

Mitch
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Hey Gang,

I've been using Wal-Mart.com for a few months now and also love the quality of the prints. I have done mostly 4x6, but also some 5x7 and 8x10. I was amazed at how much bigger and impressive the 5x7 is than the 4x6...and I have been consistently pleased with the 8x10's.

I also resize them before uploading so I can choose the exact cropping. I follow the same formula previously described, leaving the "resample" unchecked. There is absolutely NO loss of pixels nor is there any addition of pixels to the image when the resample is left unchecked!

It is also important to note that each of the photo sizes has a different aspect ratio, see this link for more info: http://www.imaging-resource.com/ARTS/RATIOS/RATIOS.HTM . So I make a master file in photoshop file format, then make each jpg sized for the appropriate aspect ratio from this master file.

Glad to hear all of you have had a pleasant experience with Wal-Mart.com.

Jim

Oh, by the way, the 4x6, 5x7 and 8x10 image resized in the above mentioned technique does not produce different sized files, the pixels are roughly the same. The only difference in file size is due strictly to the cropping to fit the aspect ratio.
 
So to resize my photos from my 3040. all I do is the following?
-Open the picture

-Use the regular marquee too or the crop tool and select what I want and have the size set to 4x6.
-Then just save it.

If this is not right can someone let me know the correct way? If I don't want to crop anything from the picture, can't I just resize the picture to 4x6?

Thanks
JD said:
Mitchel said:
GREAT!!!!

This is what I did in Photoshop 6:
  • 2100UZ, HQ mode Image (1600 x 1200 72dpi)
  • Resized to 6 x 4.5 inches @266.67dpi (Resample Image is OFF, this
will allow the dpi to automatically increase)
  • Adjusted levels (Image / Adjust / Levels)
  • Cropped image to 6 x 4 inches
  • Saved file (File / Save As / JPG / Image Quality 12
  • Uploaded to Walmart.com and picked them up the local Walmart 5
days later!! $0.26 each

I would HIGHLY recommend Walmart as a digital image processing store!!

The next thing I want to do is send them some 5 x 7's and 8 x 10's
and see how they come out.

Mitch
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You could always resample your pics in the y-axis only. Not only would you get your full photo in, but you would in effect add a few pounds onto those of us who are gravitationally challenged, if you know what I mean.;-)

doh!!! Did I say add a few pounds? I guess resampling in the Y isn't a good idea.
JD said:
Mitchel said:
GREAT!!!!
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I have always used Qimage for printing at home which did all these ppi changes. To properly resize do I first crop to 4x6 aspect ratio than open up image> image size and uncheck resample image than change the width and height to 6 and 4 and still leaving resample unchecked hit O.K? When I do this the pixel dimensions stays the same (2048x1365, after cropping) and the resolution now reads 341.25ppi and the height and width reads 4x6. This is with a 3.1 mp digicam. Is this the correct way to do this? In the past I simply cropped for 4x6 and sent the 72ppi file and they came out great. Will I notice a difference by changing the ppi like above also? Thanks alot for clearing this up for me...Bob
Brian said:
A resample on the other hand adds or subtracts pixels depending on
whether you are enlarging or shrinking. Resampling is typically
not needed to send a photo in for processessing.
John A. Dupre said:
I can understand wanting to crop to the proportions for the photo
size that you want but I still don't understand why you would want
to resize it. It seems that you would loose pixels that the
printing process would need. I'm actually very interested in this
because if it works just as well to resize it, then that is less
that you have to upload to their web site. You might want to send
one version that is just cropped to the 4x6 proportion and then
another one that is not only cropped but resized to 4x6 and see if
you can tell the difference between the two.

Just words for thought.

Thanks,
John A. Dupre, Jr
http://johnduprejr.com
Mitchel said:
Debbie,

I resized them to make sure I got exactly what I wanted in the
photo, 1600x1200 does NOT produce a true 6"x4" print, it produces a
6"x4.5" print, and I did not want Walmart to "guess" what I wanted
cutout.

I read somewere on this forum that it was best to send them EXACTLY
what you wanted, all I can say is they look GREAT!!!

Mitch
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Mofongo said:
I have always used Qimage for printing at home which did all these
ppi changes. To properly resize do I first crop to 4x6 aspect ratio
than open up image> image size and uncheck resample image than
change the width and height to 6 and 4 and still leaving resample
unchecked hit O.K? When I do this the pixel dimensions stays the
same (2048x1365, after cropping) and the resolution now reads
341.25ppi and the height and width reads 4x6. This is with a 3.1 mp
digicam. Is this the correct way to do this? In the past I simply
cropped for 4x6 and sent the 72ppi file and they came out great.
Will I notice a difference by changing the ppi like above also?
Thanks alot for clearing this up for me...Bob
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If you're asking the software to trim that half inch for you, it's probably keeping the center, and cutting off a quarter inch on each side. When I want to print an image ( 2 mpx ), I'll go into Photoshop, select the rectangular select tool, set a fixed size of 1500x1200, click around until the composition looks right, and then select crop.

I send my images to the lab to print, so I send in the 1500x1200 jpeg and ask for an 8x10.
 
Bob S,

This is the correct procedure. One more note, it is prudent to work from a master image: a TIFF or PhotoShop native master and then do the resizing as you describe, then save as jpg using the 12 setting. If you need to resize again, say for a 5x7, then do this off the master and save a copy as a new jpg. As you probably know, repeated saving of a jpg results in image degradation. I hope this helps.

Jim
Mofongo said:
I have always used Qimage for printing at home which did all these
ppi changes. To properly resize do I first crop to 4x6 aspect ratio
than open up image> image size and uncheck resample image than
change the width and height to 6 and 4 and still leaving resample
unchecked hit O.K? When I do this the pixel dimensions stays the
same (2048x1365, after cropping) and the resolution now reads
341.25ppi and the height and width reads 4x6. This is with a 3.1 mp
digicam. Is this the correct way to do this? In the past I simply
cropped for 4x6 and sent the 72ppi file and they came out great.
Will I notice a difference by changing the ppi like above also?
Thanks alot for clearing this up for me...Bob
Brian said:
A resample on the other hand adds or subtracts pixels depending on
whether you are enlarging or shrinking. Resampling is typically
not needed to send a photo in for processessing.
John A. Dupre said:
I can understand wanting to crop to the proportions for the photo
size that you want but I still don't understand why you would want
to resize it. It seems that you would loose pixels that the
printing process would need. I'm actually very interested in this
because if it works just as well to resize it, then that is less
that you have to upload to their web site. You might want to send
one version that is just cropped to the 4x6 proportion and then
another one that is not only cropped but resized to 4x6 and see if
you can tell the difference between the two.

Just words for thought.

Thanks,
John A. Dupre, Jr
http://johnduprejr.com
Mitchel said:
Debbie,

I resized them to make sure I got exactly what I wanted in the
photo, 1600x1200 does NOT produce a true 6"x4" print, it produces a
6"x4.5" print, and I did not want Walmart to "guess" what I wanted
cutout.

I read somewere on this forum that it was best to send them EXACTLY
what you wanted, all I can say is they look GREAT!!!

Mitch
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Forrest, I think you misunderstood my question. I select my own 4x6 crop area same as you except instead of setting fixed size I select constrained aspect ratio and set width and height for 4x6. Both ways allows you to select your own cropped area. What I was inquiring about was changing the resolution in the image size dialog box from 72ppi to 150 or whatever. Qimage will do this automatically for home prints. Although my last pics i got back from Walmart.com I sent as 72ppi files and they were beautiful...Bob
Forrest said:
If you're asking the software to trim that half inch for you, it's
probably keeping the center, and cutting off a quarter inch on each
side. When I want to print an image ( 2 mpx ), I'll go into
Photoshop, select the rectangular select tool, set a fixed size of
1500x1200, click around until the composition looks right, and then
select crop.

I send my images to the lab to print, so I send in the 1500x1200
jpeg and ask for an 8x10.
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Thanks Jim,

Now I understand the procedure for changing the resolution from 72ppi but I wonder if it is really necessary. The 4x6's I sent as 72ppi files came back beautiful. I posted this question on the printing forum a while ago and was told that it's fine to send the 72ppi file as long as you have cropped properly. This 72ppi vs 150 etc...ppi question has always confused me. Thanks for the help...Bob
Sandman said:
Jim
Sandman said:
I have always used Qimage for printing at home which did all these
ppi changes. To properly resize do I first crop to 4x6 aspect ratio
than open up image> image size and uncheck resample image than
change the width and height to 6 and 4 and still leaving resample
unchecked hit O.K? When I do this the pixel dimensions stays the
same (2048x1365, after cropping) and the resolution now reads
341.25ppi and the height and width reads 4x6. This is with a 3.1 mp
digicam. Is this the correct way to do this? In the past I simply
cropped for 4x6 and sent the 72ppi file and they came out great.
Will I notice a difference by changing the ppi like above also?
Thanks alot for clearing this up for me...Bob
Brian said:
A resample on the other hand adds or subtracts pixels depending on
whether you are enlarging or shrinking. Resampling is typically
not needed to send a photo in for processessing.
John A. Dupre said:
I can understand wanting to crop to the proportions for the photo
size that you want but I still don't understand why you would want
to resize it. It seems that you would loose pixels that the
printing process would need. I'm actually very interested in this
because if it works just as well to resize it, then that is less
that you have to upload to their web site. You might want to send
one version that is just cropped to the 4x6 proportion and then
another one that is not only cropped but resized to 4x6 and see if
you can tell the difference between the two.

Just words for thought.

Thanks,
John A. Dupre, Jr
http://johnduprejr.com
Mitchel said:
Debbie,

I resized them to make sure I got exactly what I wanted in the
photo, 1600x1200 does NOT produce a true 6"x4" print, it produces a
6"x4.5" print, and I did not want Walmart to "guess" what I wanted
cutout.

I read somewere on this forum that it was best to send them EXACTLY
what you wanted, all I can say is they look GREAT!!!

Mitch
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Mofongo said:
Forrest, I think you misunderstood my question. I select my own 4x6
crop area same as you except instead of setting fixed size I select
constrained aspect ratio and set width and height for 4x6. Both
ways allows you to select your own cropped area. What I was
inquiring about was changing the resolution in the image size
dialog box from 72ppi to 150 or whatever. Qimage will do this
automatically for home prints. Although my last pics i got back
from Walmart.com I sent as 72ppi files and they were beautiful...Bob
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I guess I was misunderstanding you... Okay, I just send my files to ezprints and get my pictures in the mail ( never touching the density ), but here's my take:

If you have an image that's X by Y pixels and a request to print it at 4 by 6, it's pretty easy to figure out how dense to make the pixels. You don't need to be told how many ppi unless you're going to intropelate the image ... if I asked for an 8x10 at 300 ppi from my Uzi, for example.

I think some print drivers will resample your image on the fly like this; be wary of them. I'm finding that it's perfectly valid ( and pleasing to the eye ) to blow a 2 mpx image up to 3200x2400 for bigger prints, as long as the camera hasn't sharpened it, and you didn't get too much noise ... enlarge it, sharpen it just right, and it looks good. But I wouldn't do that to an image that's already been sharpened.

So, to make a long story short, your image already has it's size, you're specifying a print size, so as long as your system isn't resampling for you, you don't have to change 72 to 150.
 
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