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Dear Phil,

I want to ask you a favor: please "unban" Iliah Borg and allow him to rejoin the dpreview forums. I’ve sent you a letter to that effect. But you haven’t replied: I suppose that being dpreview’s mentor does not give you the leisure to read and reply to each feedback message you get. Therefore I am posting this message here in the hope that this thread will get your attention.

Iliah, along with his friend Peter Dove (who was also banned and whom you also may consider to “unban”), have created a small company, RawMagick, which sells software to process raw data. I understand that Iliah may have trespassed the rule about not advertising a commercial product in the dpreview forum by mentioning RawMagick’s software in a thread. Consequently you banned him. I am asking you to reverse this decision for the following reasons:

- Iliah’s true intention was to help a fellow photographer (I can state this with certainty because I know his posting history quite well). He suggested his software only because he sincerely thought that this was a good answer to the problem at hand.

- This happened more than a year ago: the rule-breaking has been sanctioned, and you’ve made your point by banning Iliah (and Peter Dove) for a long period of time.

- Iliah was a fantastic contributor to the forum. He is a very experienced photographer who was very eager to share his knowledge with all of us. This cannot be ignored in a final and fair decision. We've learned so much from him that many of us got into the habit of tracking his posts to make sure that we did not miss a bit of the knowledge that he exposed.
- Finally, I am sure that you agree that everybody deserves a second chance.

Iliah and Peter are the kind of persons who help the forums be what they should be about: people who share their passion for photography and help one each other. To better illustrate this, I could think of no better way than to give a * small * compilation of Iliah’s numerous posts, which you'll find at the very end of this message (BTW, a highly recommended reading for those who are new to the forum and have missed Iliah’s posts).

If you want to reach them, Iliah’s e-mail is [email protected]. Peter’s is [email protected]

I am also asking fellow members of the forum to post their support and keep the thread going, in order to increase the chances that this message get Phil Askey’s attention.

Yours sincerely,
Thierry O. F. aka "TOF guy"

A small sampling of Iliah’s contributions to the dpreview forum:

When Iliah was banned, he had just started this thread about Channel blending:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1034&message=10516838

Suggesting a better way to correct an image:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1034&message=10492669

Another one:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1034&message=10446257

Another one:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1034&message=9946231

Explaining why a far-away subject maybe out of focus while focusing in manual mode with focusing ring turned all the way:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1034&message=10446462

Helping somebody understand his histogram:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1021&message=10427469

And explaining from which image the D70 histogram is calculated (and answering questions about exposure in the same thread):
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1034&message=9939439
Another one on the same subject:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1034&message=9903909
Also in the same thread what the horizontal scale is:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1034&message=9922925

Correcting a wrong assumption about the D70 histogram:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1034&message=10420614

Indicating an efficient way to remove moiré from a picture taken with a Canon 1D:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1021&message=6930907

Asking himself for advice on a picture !
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1021&message=10383230
Another one:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1021&message=9998076

Explaining why WB must be adjusted before exposure compensation in ACR or NC:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1021&message=10383230

Help with color space or/and color profiles issues:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1034&message=10271889
Another one:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1021&message=10082515
And another one:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1034&message=10047690
Another one:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1034&message=9910469
Also this one:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1034&message=9817260

Sharing curves for the Nikon D70:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1034&message=10232756
Again here:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1034&message=10235292

Helping with loading curves, and understand what they do:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1034&message=10021917
Another one:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1034&message=9836727
Another one:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1034&message=9817260

How should WB be set for a picture taken in the evening or at night:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1034&message=10266910

How applying WB affects noise:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1034&message=10055848

Another great thread, about skin tones:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1034&message=9851706

Iliah's posting history goes on and on, but I don't think it needs adding any more examples.

--
Thierry
 
Wow, what a waste of good digital space this is.

Why can't someone just get a new screen name? I don't get it. Who cares who Phil is/does/ does not do. This is his forum, get over it and move on.
 
Steven_EJ said:
Wow, what a waste of good digital space this is.
Why can't someone just get a new screen name? I don't get it. Who
cares who Phil is/does/ does not do. This is his forum, get over
it and move on.
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True.

People must realize that this a forum with the owners/moderators best interests at heart. Nothing wrong with that. But it also means that the public's best interests are not priority no. 1.

So, take what you can and if things are not good anymore, just move on. Nive forums like these are a dime a dozen. I like it here, but it would not be a big deal going somewhere else.
 
Steven_EJ said:
Wow, what a waste of good digital space this is.
Why can't someone just get a new screen name? I don't get it. Who
cares who Phil is/does/ does not do. This is his forum, get over
it and move on.
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How is digital space wasted?

Ever hear of honesty?
 
I'm with Steven and Irvin. This is supposed to be a forum for D70 enthusiasts. Content should reflect this. I'm so tired of reading through endless garbage posted here so regularly.
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Life begins at RAW
 
mrtasseron said:
I'm with Steven and Irvin. This is supposed to be a forum for D70
enthusiasts.
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Well, Iliah * is * a D70 enthusiast.
mrtasseron said:
Content should reflect this. I'm so tired of reading
through endless garbage posted here so regularly.
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Exactly ! Please read even just a few of Iliah's posts (you'll find links in the first message at the top of the thread). I'm very sure that you'll come to the conclusion that we need more posts like these.
mrtasseron said:
Life begins at RAW
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Iliah & Peter shares your enthusiasm for RAW.

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Thierry
 
Wally,

Sure I believe in being honest, and there's nothing wrong with expressing one's feelings. I might even believe what the o.p. said, if I cared enough to read it.

This forum however is run by a dictator. His decisions will not be accepted by all, and he address it in the rules section.

1) Please note that this is one of the busiest forums on the Internet, we have little time to debate a ban, if you break a rule you will be banned, no arguments.

2) Question for the webmaster - DO NOT POST "Question for Phil" or "Phil,..." messages, the webmaster doesn't have time to scan through or respond to all the forums.
3) These forums are privately owned and run, they are not public.

So what about just getting a new member name? It seems all you'd have to do is use another e-mail address, and maybe somehow change you IP address. I don't know how to do it, but I think it can be done.
 
Steven_EJ said:
Wally,
Sure I believe in being honest, and there's nothing wrong with
expressing one's feelings. I might even believe what the o.p.
said, if I cared enough to read it.
This forum however is run by a dictator. His decisions will not be
accepted by all, and he address it in the rules section.
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Isn't the general idea of a forum to have lots of people participating?
Steven_EJ said:
1) Please note that this is one of the busiest forums on the
Internet, we have little time to debate a ban, if you break a rule
you will be banned, no arguments.
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but people have been reinstated before
Steven_EJ said:
2) Question for the webmaster - DO NOT POST "Question for Phil" or
"Phil,..." messages, the webmaster doesn't have time to scan
through or respond to all the forums.
3) These forums are privately owned and run, they are not public.
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All forums are privately owned. Someone owns the webspace. However, I would dare to say that it would be considered public space, since it would be a rather boring forum if only Phil posted.
Steven_EJ said:
So what about just getting a new member name? It seems all you'd
have to do is use another e-mail address, and maybe somehow change
you IP address. I don't know how to do it, but I think it can be
done.
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See if you can help someone in a forum today! :)

D70 and photo discussion
D70 custom tone curves @ http://forum.mastersphoto.net
 
mrtasseron said:
I'm with Steven and Irvin. This is supposed to be a forum for D70
enthusiasts. Content should reflect this. I'm so tired of reading
through endless garbage posted here so regularly.
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Iliah and Peter have contributed so much, and would do so much more if unbanned. If you want more good content, you'd want them unbanned also. No one understands color better than Iliah.
mrtasseron said:
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Life begins at RAW
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See if you can help someone in a forum today! :)

D70 and photo discussion
D70 custom tone curves @ http://forum.mastersphoto.net
 
I am also in agreement with Thiery...at one point in time there were some very good photo educators on this forum i.e. Illiad and Peter, Dave Chin, Stinson and many others, but now this place has turned into a whining 'help me pick out my freak'n camera bag' contest.

Steve
 
(like Steven_EJ irvin mrtasseron), then you've joined after Iliah & Peter were banned. You do not know know how much experience they brought to the forum.

Please before commenting click on * one * of the links that I've listed at the bottom of the first post, * any * one. Read it. Is it interesting ? Then feel free to comment, but I suspect that you won't call this thread a "waste of digital bandwidth" anymore !

Caveat emptor: you may end up reading all of them. They are very instructive ...
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Thierry
 
Both Iliah and Peter are welcome assets to any forum. They were certainly more helpful than a lot of people here and most users would benefit from their participation.

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my gallery of so-so photos
http://www.pbase.com/kerrypierce/root
 
no text.
 
This forum's (and others) knowledge will improve exponentially if they are unbanned!

Thank you Phil, if you do end up unbanning them.
 
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