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Hi..

Why i always see comments about epson and olympus printers and nothing about the HPs... The HPs numerically has more pixels than the epson..
Is there any problem printing really good photos for sale with this printers..

I have a 932c wich is really slow but the quality of the print out looks good to me and for every relative and friend that see my photos from my Super E-10 camera..

I don't get it!!!
 
Hi..

Why i always see comments about epson and olympus printers and
nothing about the HPs... The HPs numerically has more pixels than
the epson..
Is there any problem printing really good photos for sale with
this printers..

I have a 932c wich is really slow but the quality of the print out
looks good to me and for every relative and friend that see my
photos from my Super E-10 camera..

I don't get it!!!

Hi Carlos,I have the 1215 and love it
Bob
 
Hi Bob..

have you sold any photo with that printer..?
thanks
Hi..

Why i always see comments about epson and olympus printers and
nothing about the HPs... The HPs numerically has more pixels than
the epson..
Is there any problem printing really good photos for sale with
this printers..

I have a 932c wich is really slow but the quality of the print out
looks good to me and for every relative and friend that see my
photos from my Super E-10 camera..

I don't get it!!!

Hi Carlos,I have the 1215 and love it
Bob
 
Hey Carlos,

I have the Photosmart P1100. I use it for text and photos. Love it, but would like to go larger than 8x10.

Not a pro so I haven't sold any. Haven't had any refused though. Several prints I've handed out have convinced people to go digital.

One small gripe - and I don't know if this is common to many printers: There are tiny tell-tale lines across the photos. Not lines of ink, but more scores made by paper guides I'm guessing. Do you have the same problem?

Peter
have you sold any photo with that printer..?
thanks
Hi..

Why i always see comments about epson and olympus printers and
nothing about the HPs... The HPs numerically has more pixels than
the epson..
Is there any problem printing really good photos for sale with
this printers..

I have a 932c wich is really slow but the quality of the print out
looks good to me and for every relative and friend that see my
photos from my Super E-10 camera..

I don't get it!!!

Hi Carlos,I have the 1215 and love it
Bob
 
Hey,

I have the 952C and really like it. It will on occasion spew either red or blue on the paper. This has happened with different cartridges. It does provide great quality and for up to 8 x 10, I wouldn't trade it.
Hi..

Why i always see comments about epson and olympus printers and
nothing about the HPs... The HPs numerically has more pixels than
the epson..
Is there any problem printing really good photos for sale with
this printers..

I have a 932c wich is really slow but the quality of the print out
looks good to me and for every relative and friend that see my
photos from my Super E-10 camera..

I don't get it!!!
 
Carlos,

After doing a lot of research and "conversing" with some on this forum, I believe the reason why most people talk mainly about the Epson 1280 and 2000P printers is print life. If you are going to sell your prints your customers will probably want them to last a number of years.

Check out this chart from PC World magazine:

http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,50663,pg,2,00.asp

Note that the HP prints do not last as long as the 1280 (the 1280 lasts about 50% longer) and does not come near the 200 years of the 2000P. I believe this is why most of those who sell their prints use the Epson printers.

BTW, I just bought a 1280 and am looking into aftermarket inks that supposedly let the prints last for 75 years (most of a lifetime and a couple of generations).

Thanks.

Cleave
Hi..

Why i always see comments about epson and olympus printers and
nothing about the HPs... The HPs numerically has more pixels than
the epson..
Is there any problem printing really good photos for sale with
this printers..

I have a 932c wich is really slow but the quality of the print out
looks good to me and for every relative and friend that see my
photos from my Super E-10 camera..

I don't get it!!!
 
Thanks Cleave..
Now I understand what's the whole point..
Another clear point for me , is that there is a lot of kwnoledge to get..
Thanks againg..
After doing a lot of research and "conversing" with some on this
forum, I believe the reason why most people talk mainly about the
Epson 1280 and 2000P printers is print life. If you are going to
sell your prints your customers will probably want them to last a
number of years.

Check out this chart from PC World magazine:

http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,50663,pg,2,00.asp

Note that the HP prints do not last as long as the 1280 (the 1280
lasts about 50% longer) and does not come near the 200 years of the
2000P. I believe this is why most of those who sell their prints
use the Epson printers.

BTW, I just bought a 1280 and am looking into aftermarket inks that
supposedly let the prints last for 75 years (most of a lifetime and
a couple of generations).

Thanks.

Cleave
Hi..

Why i always see comments about epson and olympus printers and
nothing about the HPs... The HPs numerically has more pixels than
the epson..
Is there any problem printing really good photos for sale with
this printers..

I have a 932c wich is really slow but the quality of the print out
looks good to me and for every relative and friend that see my
photos from my Super E-10 camera..

I don't get it!!!
 
I have an 1280 and a HP-882, I am selling prints on the 1280 with hwmatte paper A3 and Super B to art gallerys and shops. I have a 1280 print in a gallery window for 7 months (not direct sunlight) and no noticable change. I have business cards printed on HP Premium Gloss paper in the same window,and they had to be replaced twice, faded big time.(they were not under glass), and the HP prints are not accepted compared to the Epson 1280 of the same photos printed and compared, besides the poor shelf life. Good luck, choose wisely, compare and invest for the future use.

http://members.localnet.com/~endoline/JPresters

The best always,
JP Photography
After doing a lot of research and "conversing" with some on this
forum, I believe the reason why most people talk mainly about the
Epson 1280 and 2000P printers is print life. If you are going to
sell your prints your customers will probably want them to last a
number of years.

Check out this chart from PC World magazine:

http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,50663,pg,2,00.asp

Note that the HP prints do not last as long as the 1280 (the 1280
lasts about 50% longer) and does not come near the 200 years of the
2000P. I believe this is why most of those who sell their prints
use the Epson printers.

BTW, I just bought a 1280 and am looking into aftermarket inks that
supposedly let the prints last for 75 years (most of a lifetime and
a couple of generations).

Thanks.

Cleave
Hi..

Why i always see comments about epson and olympus printers and
nothing about the HPs... The HPs numerically has more pixels than
the epson..
Is there any problem printing really good photos for sale with
this printers..

I have a 932c wich is really slow but the quality of the print out
looks good to me and for every relative and friend that see my
photos from my Super E-10 camera..

I don't get it!!!
 
I have had scores of HP printers including three of the original HP Photosmart printers (which I loved) and two of the HP 1100 PhotoPrinters which I have grown to hate.

The paper handling is my biggest gripe... along with the wheel tracks that leave faint lines on glossy prints.

I recently purchased my first Epson Inkjet... the 1280. I can tell you, as a long-time loyal HP user, that I am blown away by the radical difference in photo quality between the HP printers and the Epson 1280. The HP is OK for snapshot quality pictures; but, it can't even come close to the 1280's depth and richness.

So, for 4x6 quicky prints I still sometimes use the HP PhotoSmart. But, for all the rest I invariably choose the 1280.

One word of warning. DON'T count on an Epson printer for daily printing needs. The 1280 is too slow and the cartridges too small for wasting on Word documents. So, I have BOTH hooked up to my computer.

Tom
Hi..

Why i always see comments about epson and olympus printers and
nothing about the HPs... The HPs numerically has more pixels than
the epson..
Is there any problem printing really good photos for sale with
this printers..

I have a 932c wich is really slow but the quality of the print out
looks good to me and for every relative and friend that see my
photos from my Super E-10 camera..

I don't get it!!!
 
I also have the P1100, Epson 1270 and Epson 777. The HP is only used for proof sheets directly from the CF if I so desire. I rarely do. I shoulda returned the printer.

The 1270 is FAR better than the HP. I wont even elaborate. It just is. They dont even compare.

The 777 is my "daily", "whatever I may be printing" printer. It is a cheap, $70 printer and it prints better photos than the P1100.

If you have nothing daily to compare it to, I guess the HP output looks pretty good. Compared to the BEST, it is just a sad machine.

GageFX
Hey Carlos,

I have the Photosmart P1100. I use it for text and photos. Love
it, but would like to go larger than 8x10.

Not a pro so I haven't sold any. Haven't had any refused though.
Several prints I've handed out have convinced people to go digital.

One small gripe - and I don't know if this is common to many
printers: There are tiny tell-tale lines across the photos. Not
lines of ink, but more scores made by paper guides I'm guessing.
Do you have the same problem?
 
I have had scores of HP printers including three of the original HP
Photosmart printers (which I loved) and two of the HP 1100
PhotoPrinters which I have grown to hate.

The paper handling is my biggest gripe... along with the wheel
tracks that leave faint lines on glossy prints.

I recently purchased my first Epson Inkjet... the 1280. I can tell
you, as a long-time loyal HP user, that I am blown away by the
radical difference in photo quality between the HP printers and the
Epson 1280. The HP is OK for snapshot quality pictures; but, it
can't even come close to the 1280's depth and richness.

So, for 4x6 quicky prints I still sometimes use the HP PhotoSmart.
But, for all the rest I invariably choose the 1280.

One word of warning. DON'T count on an Epson printer for daily
printing needs. The 1280 is too slow and the cartridges too small
for wasting on Word documents. So, I have BOTH hooked up to my
computer.

Tom
Carlos,
I ditto what Tom just said.

I now have an Epson 1280, 2000p (I bought last weekend and haven't even had a chance to take out of the box) and an HP 932C.

I used to think the HP with RET was IT until I got the 1280. Biggest gripe is speed and a BIG problem with USB.
I plan to use all 3. HP mainly for print jobs though.
Don
 
I just bought an HP-940C and have to report that the print quality is excellent. No roller tracks or undesired artifacts of any kind on the print, even on very delicate papers. I also like the double sided printing capability for text documents (competitors don't seem to offer this). Paper handling is flawless too. 8 * 10s on good quality paper (like Pictorico) have a considerable 'wow' factor.
Paul B
The paper handling is my biggest gripe... along with the wheel
tracks that leave faint lines on glossy prints.

I recently purchased my first Epson Inkjet... the 1280. I can tell
you, as a long-time loyal HP user, that I am blown away by the
radical difference in photo quality between the HP printers and the
Epson 1280. The HP is OK for snapshot quality pictures; but, it
can't even come close to the 1280's depth and richness.

So, for 4x6 quicky prints I still sometimes use the HP PhotoSmart.
But, for all the rest I invariably choose the 1280.

One word of warning. DON'T count on an Epson printer for daily
printing needs. The 1280 is too slow and the cartridges too small
for wasting on Word documents. So, I have BOTH hooked up to my
computer.

Tom
Hi..

Why i always see comments about epson and olympus printers and
nothing about the HPs... The HPs numerically has more pixels than
the epson..
Is there any problem printing really good photos for sale with
this printers..

I have a 932c wich is really slow but the quality of the print out
looks good to me and for every relative and friend that see my
photos from my Super E-10 camera..

I don't get it!!!
 
I agree about daily printing requiring a printer other than the 1280. I also have an Epson 1520 (which was preceeded by 2 Canon inkjets) and a HP LaserJet 5P. I recommend using a laser printer for your daily printing needs since the cost per page is very low ($.01 or less with cheap paper). Personal laser printers are very affordable and very reliable these days.

Thanks.

Cleave
I have had scores of HP printers including three of the original HP
Photosmart printers (which I loved) and two of the HP 1100
PhotoPrinters which I have grown to hate.

The paper handling is my biggest gripe... along with the wheel
tracks that leave faint lines on glossy prints.

I recently purchased my first Epson Inkjet... the 1280. I can tell
you, as a long-time loyal HP user, that I am blown away by the
radical difference in photo quality between the HP printers and the
Epson 1280. The HP is OK for snapshot quality pictures; but, it
can't even come close to the 1280's depth and richness.

So, for 4x6 quicky prints I still sometimes use the HP PhotoSmart.
But, for all the rest I invariably choose the 1280.

One word of warning. DON'T count on an Epson printer for daily
printing needs. The 1280 is too slow and the cartridges too small
for wasting on Word documents. So, I have BOTH hooked up to my
computer.

Tom
 
Hi..

Why i always see comments about epson and olympus printers and
nothing about the HPs... The HPs numerically has more pixels than
the epson..
Is there any problem printing really good photos for sale with
this printers..
I would not say there is anything wrong... it is just that the Epsons are better!

I've got an HP 960c, an Epson Photo EX and an Epson Photo 890. On an A4 print from my E-10 the HP is ok, the EX is much better and the 890 blows it away... there is no comparison. I enter prints from the 890, generally between 8 * 10 and A4, printed on Epsons Heavyweight Matte paper in photographic competitions and regularly score well against conventially produced film prints. As others have said in this thread, another benefit is the longevity of the print.

I use the HP for home office use and DTP.
 
As an HP user thought I might as well put in my two pwnce worth, I have an HP950c, I have scanned Medium format photos and used it to output A4 prints, fellow colleagues who use Epsons were knocked out by the quality.

It has superior paper handling to the Epsons, especially if you use it for other things beside Photo printing.

The main gripe is that teh cartridges are expensive and I have not yet managed to refill one so that it works 100%.
Hi..

Why i always see comments about epson and olympus printers and
nothing about the HPs... The HPs numerically has more pixels than
the epson..
Is there any problem printing really good photos for sale with
this printers..
I would not say there is anything wrong... it is just that the
Epsons are better!

I've got an HP 960c, an Epson Photo EX and an Epson Photo 890. On
an A4 print from my E-10 the HP is ok, the EX is much better and
the 890 blows it away... there is no comparison. I enter prints
from the 890, generally between 8 * 10 and A4, printed on Epsons
Heavyweight Matte paper in photographic competitions and regularly
score well against conventially produced film prints. As others
have said in this thread, another benefit is the longevity of the
print.

I use the HP for home office use and DTP.
 
Something no-one has pointed out in this thread yet is that Epson are the only company to built the print heads into the machine. Everyone else puts them in the cartridge. When the machine is new, then the Epson may be better, but over time (and not much time mind) the Epson qualtiy must surely fade. With other manufacturers, you buy a new cartridge and your heads are new again.

On another note, Epson have also come under critisism in the past for disabling the print when there is still ink in the cartrdige and they also tend not to put much ink in them anyway, making the cost appear cheaper than competitors, when I do not believe this is so.

Excal
 
I have had scores of HP printers including three of the original HP
Photosmart printers (which I loved) and two of the HP 1100
PhotoPrinters which I have grown to hate.

The paper handling is my biggest gripe... along with the wheel
tracks that leave faint lines on glossy prints.
Tom, I used to own an Epson printer and hated it, so about a year ago I switched to an HP PhotoSmart P1100 as my main inkjet printer and I have never experienced any paper handling or wheel track problems, but I am very interested in what you say about the Epson 1280 ...
I recently purchased my first Epson Inkjet... the 1280. I can tell
you, as a long-time loyal HP user, that I am blown away by the
radical difference in photo quality between the HP printers and the
Epson 1280. The HP is OK for snapshot quality pictures; but, it
can't even come close to the 1280's depth and richness.

So, for 4x6 quicky prints I still sometimes use the HP PhotoSmart.
But, for all the rest I invariably choose the 1280.

One word of warning. DON'T count on an Epson printer for daily
printing needs. The 1280 is too slow and the cartridges too small
for wasting on Word documents. So, I have BOTH hooked up to my
computer.
I forget the exact name of the Epson printer I had until a year ago -- was it a PhotoStylus 750 (did A4 prints and when I bought it a couple or so years ago it was Epson's top A4 photo printer). The main reason I hated this printer was because the ink nozzles were forever getting blocked -- there was a little test pattern that could be printed to show blocked nozzles -- and I was continually and repeatedly running the nozzle cleaning function. I also found that the printer drank ink -- even when I had a period during which I did very little colour printing (only black text) the colour cartridge still managed to empty itself! The main culprit seemed to be the ridiculous start-up ritual that the Epson went through every time it was switched on, whereby the print head danced backwards and forwards and there was much noisy whirring for no obvious reason.

It was such a relief when I replaced the Epson printer with the HP 1100. Compared to the Epson the HP was faster (especially for text), much quieter (both when printing and at start-up), there was no silly dance at start-up, ink cartridges lasted MUCH longer (they seem to last forever in the HP compared to the Epson) and print quality was generally better (text quality was much better and photo quality was probably similar to that of the Epson). And, perhaps most importantly, the ink nozzles of the HP NEVER become blocked, so no frustrating and wasteful (of both time and ink) nozzle cleaning sessions every week.

But these days so many good words are said about Epson printers, so I recently suggested to my wife that we should perhaps investigate getting a 1280 or similar for photo work -- she responded that after the hassle and problems we had previously she never wanted to see an Epson in the house again!! In contrast, the HP has been completely problem-free and 100% reliable. So, my question to you Tom, and others, is: have Epson printers improved significantly in terms of reliability, nozzle blockage and ink-consumption over the last year or so? Does the 1280 do an irritating print-head dance when it is switched on? Is the 1280 susceptible to the blocked nozzle problem?

Thanks for any feedback.

Terry.
 
Terry,

I own a 1290, and sometimes don't print for a couple of weeks in a row. I find it a realiable printer, but it does a start-up dance. I don't think it's prone to blocking. I have had a couple of blocked nozzles, and all cleared with one clean. 'Sticky' weather seemed to be a factor. It happens, but not so frequent that I find it disturbing. This is the first Epson inkjet for me, and before I decided on the 1290, it was a point of concern for me too.

It does seem a little more wastefull with ink, but only because of the cleaning ritual. As the cartrigde is much cheaper, up to now it hasn't disturbed me. The anti-refill chip is more of a nag, because working around it means getting some chip resetter. As for what this printer can do, it is amazing, as are all the options (CIS, paper, ink, quadtone). For A3+ photo printing I can think of no other option except other Epsons. But if Epson is off-limit, why no Canon? I never threw out the HP I had, and I really like having one for pics and one for nearly everything else.

One last comment, my HP is a old beast (720c) and the driver is (compared to the Epson) quite a systemhog. Other than just using the defaults, altering setting (for instance when printing envelopes) it is soooooooo slooowwww. Even when theres ample memory (> 128MB free) and resources. The Epson driver is much snappier. I have the HP on the LPT port and Epson on USB and have no interfacing problems. Even when printing full A3+ photos using QImage (which re-samples before sending the data, resulting in very large spool files).

Chris
I have had scores of HP printers including three of the original HP
Photosmart printers (which I loved) and two of the HP 1100
PhotoPrinters which I have grown to hate.

The paper handling is my biggest gripe... along with the wheel
tracks that leave faint lines on glossy prints.
Tom, I used to own an Epson printer and hated it, so about a year
ago I switched to an HP PhotoSmart P1100 as my main inkjet printer
and I have never experienced any paper handling or wheel track
problems, but I am very interested in what you say about the Epson
1280 ...
I recently purchased my first Epson Inkjet... the 1280. I can tell
you, as a long-time loyal HP user, that I am blown away by the
radical difference in photo quality between the HP printers and the
Epson 1280. The HP is OK for snapshot quality pictures; but, it
can't even come close to the 1280's depth and richness.

So, for 4x6 quicky prints I still sometimes use the HP PhotoSmart.
But, for all the rest I invariably choose the 1280.

One word of warning. DON'T count on an Epson printer for daily
printing needs. The 1280 is too slow and the cartridges too small
for wasting on Word documents. So, I have BOTH hooked up to my
computer.
I forget the exact name of the Epson printer I had until a year ago
-- was it a PhotoStylus 750 (did A4 prints and when I bought it a
couple or so years ago it was Epson's top A4 photo printer). The
main reason I hated this printer was because the ink nozzles were
forever getting blocked -- there was a little test pattern that
could be printed to show blocked nozzles -- and I was continually
and repeatedly running the nozzle cleaning function. I also found
that the printer drank ink -- even when I had a period during which
I did very little colour printing (only black text) the colour
cartridge still managed to empty itself! The main culprit seemed
to be the ridiculous start-up ritual that the Epson went through
every time it was switched on, whereby the print head danced
backwards and forwards and there was much noisy whirring for no
obvious reason.

It was such a relief when I replaced the Epson printer with the HP
1100. Compared to the Epson the HP was faster (especially for
text), much quieter (both when printing and at start-up), there was
no silly dance at start-up, ink cartridges lasted MUCH longer (they
seem to last forever in the HP compared to the Epson) and print
quality was generally better (text quality was much better and
photo quality was probably similar to that of the Epson). And,
perhaps most importantly, the ink nozzles of the HP NEVER become
blocked, so no frustrating and wasteful (of both time and ink)
nozzle cleaning sessions every week.

But these days so many good words are said about Epson printers, so
I recently suggested to my wife that we should perhaps investigate
getting a 1280 or similar for photo work -- she responded that
after the hassle and problems we had previously she never wanted to
see an Epson in the house again!! In contrast, the HP has been
completely problem-free and 100% reliable. So, my question to you
Tom, and others, is: have Epson printers improved significantly in
terms of reliability, nozzle blockage and ink-consumption over the
last year or so? Does the 1280 do an irritating print-head dance
when it is switched on? Is the 1280 susceptible to the blocked
nozzle problem?

Thanks for any feedback.

Terry.
 
Carlos -

I own and use several printers, my favourite all around printer being an HP 1220cse.. It's a wide format 13x19, very fast (11ppm black/9ppm colour), great paper handling (no jams, misfeeds, track marks, etc, etc), quiet, and can seems to use very little ink compared to my Epsons. I fail to see any night and day difference between the two brands in photo quality output, and often I've asked people pick out which one they think is the best from several of the printers, and it seems a pretty even split.. Some even pick the 1220cse over my P400, but I try to forgive them for not wearing their glasses.. :)

HP has great customer service, a good warranty, etc.. They seem to be more sturdily built than the epsons also..

I'd narrow it down this way.. If I was going for just one photo printer only, I'd spend the bucks for the Epson 2000p for the quality and long life ink/papers.. If $800 is too much for you and you still want a photo printer only the 1280 is a good choice.. Long ink/paper life applies, but not as good as with the 2000p..

If I wanted the absolute best photo quality and could live with 8x10 paper, the P400 is great..

IF, you wanted the best all around printer for office work, photo printing, paper handling, wide format, long lasting ink cartridges, I'd choose the HP 1220cse.. There is also a huge differerence in office type printing betweent the HP and the Epsons.. The HP is way ahead in this type of priinting.

If you do choose the HP, I often get the best results by dropping the Photoret III option, enabling higher printing resolution, and let PS take over control of the printer.. Since the print heads are part of the cartridge, you get new ones each time you buy a new cartridge. When I shipped my things to BKK (by way of a slow boat to China and who knows where else) it took four months.. The print head needed no cleaning, or anything right out of the box after that.. It was about half used, but fired up and started printing a demo photo for a friend in about 20 seconds..

Something else to remember.. Windows XP is soon to be released, and it WILL be something you want, so look to see when whatever company plans to produce a driver for the printer you choose.. So far, my Windows 2000 HP driver is working great with Wiindows XP, but there have been problems getting the Epsons to work without little glitches..

Hope this helps

BKKSW
Hi..

Why i always see comments about epson and olympus printers and
nothing about the HPs... The HPs numerically has more pixels than
the epson..
Is there any problem printing really good photos for sale with
this printers..

I have a 932c wich is really slow but the quality of the print out
looks good to me and for every relative and friend that see my
photos from my Super E-10 camera..

I don't get it!!!
 

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