350D Taking under exposed pictures.

I can't test both cameras as this was the other night when my friend brought his camera over. If I shoot in P mode and adjust the flash compensation I get a better exposed shot. My concern is if the Auto mode is working correctly as all shots taken with auto turn out underexposed. I will almost never use Auto but my wife will and if it is a defect of the camera I can just return it but if this is what all 350D's do I might consider another camera.

Thanks
 
No it's not normal. You photos should be 'reasonably' exposed.

That flash off the door is so faint it may very well be a reflection from some other source.

Look at the relatively narrow object such as the lamp. There should be some flash shadow behind it.

There isn't.

Maybe you have the camera set to ISO 100 and on manual but I doubt it.

My guess is the flash isn't firing. Even if you had flash compensation set way off the board, there would be flash shadows. There aren't.

Try again and make sure the flash is firing.

I wonder if the sync is off and it's firing when the lerns isn't open. Not likely but possible?
 
Yes it's normal. What you want to do is meter for a neutral area of the scene...that's why a lot of shooters dislike the XT's lack of spot metering.

If you have something shiny in the scene (or bright) you'll need to adjust your Flash Exposure Compensation (FEC) to the right (ie positive) to make the flash output more light and expose the scene correctly.

For exposure without flash, you'll want to meter part of the scene that is neutral and use the exposure lock button ( ) to lock exposure on the part of the scene that's neither too bright nor too dark, then recompose the shot.
So are you saying that this is normal?
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Well .. apparently it works fine in "P" mode, just not in auto. Well maybe in auto it's decided to increase iso to 400 and not use the flash at all instead..?

I still maintain it's not a good test ...
No it's not normal. You photos should be 'reasonably' exposed.
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are your images dark when your shooting outdoors in the sunlight?

does all your images turn out this underexposed?

that would be a good indication that something is not right with the camera.

set the camera to go off on time release and take a shot of yourself with the flash so you can see if the flash goes off and how bright it is.

If it only does this when you are using our flash then check all your settings.

Could be the camera is fine and the flash is not set right or faulty...but you have to determine what that is.

another idea is take it to the camera shop and have a tech look at it to determine if it is right or faulty.

Bottom line is if your unhappy and you know in your own mind that something isnt right ........then swap it out or take it back for a refund.

good luck,

HannibalTheCrow
 
Okay, let's see what we've got here.

First off, both cameras selected the same basic exposure: 1/60, f/4, ISO 400. And the basic exposure worked the same, as evidenced by the brightness of the image on the TV set in both pictures (that won't be affected by the flash).

So the difference is strictly in the flash.

The DReb/300D and XT/350D use different flash metering systems. The DR/300D uses E-TTL, while the XT/350D uses E-TTL II. Both use an "evaluative" approach to metering the flash, but they have very different ways of determining what it is that you're trying to take a picture of - and therefore what needs to be lit up correctly by the flash.

A short detour: this scene has a wide range of distances involved, from the black thing that sticks out from the lower right to where the walls meet in the far corner. But the amount of light that an object gets from the flash depends on how far away it is from the flash. The nearby stuff will get a LOT more light from the flash than the far-away stuff. Now back to the original topic... how the two cameras meter the flash.

Both cameras do flash metering by firing a low-power "pre-flash" when you press the shutter button, and seeing what happens on the metering sensors. On the 300D, the camera assumes that what you're trying to take a picture of is located at the AF sensor(s) that locked, and adjusts its flash power accordingly. I can't tell which AF sensor(s) locked on the 300D picture, but unless it was the bottom one, the camera is going to guess that your subject is toward the far side of the room. That area wouldn't have brightened very much, so the 300D is going to have to pour a fair amount of power into the flash to get that area properly exposed.

On the 350D, the camera's flash metering doesn't pay attention to the AF system at all. Instead, to figure out what you're trying to take a picture of it uses what I call the "Goldilocks" approach. It looks at each of the 35 sensors. Those that didn't brighten up very much are considered to be background, out of range of the flash (they could also be lights, like the lamp bulb and the TV). Those that brightened up too much are considered to be reflections of the flash from glass, mirrors, etc. The camera mostly (maybe totally, I don't know) ignores those sensors and pays attention to the ones that brightened up a medium amount from the pre-flash. In general, that will be the closest item(s) of significant size. In this case, that's the black thing at the bottom of the picture, the end table, and the back of the couch. Those are close to the camera and don't need much flash power to get properly exposed.

Now go back at look at the picture from the 300D. The white throw that is draped over the back of the couch is blown out, as is the white ceramic sitting on the endtable. But in the picture from the 350D, they're well-exposed.

It's just a matter of the cameras having different ideas of what you were trying to take a picture of. The 300D thought you wanted a picture of the far wall, the 350D thought you wanted a picture of the couch.

So what do you do?

Well, you could learn to work with the way that E-TTL II does its exposure determinations. Zooming in on your intended subject would help. Or if you wanted the wide angle picture, zoom in, do a Flash Exposure Lock (FEL, manual page 99), zoom back out and take the picture. If you're doing a lot of these pictures where there are large objects that are significantly closer than your intended subject is, though, you may find that all to be a hassle.

You could try one of the lenses that provide focus-distance feedback to the E-TTL II system. Supposedly, the camera takes that into account and might increase the flash power to assure proper coverage at the subject.

Or you can just shut off the evaluative flash metering entirely, by setting Custom Function 8 to 1 (manual page 150).
 
Thank you all for the replies,

I know the flash went off all times because i saw it. Trust me. I just had surgery so I cant really get up and shoot but I have my camera and laptop next to me so I just turned the camera on and shot in auto at a flower pot in the bedroom. The flash went off and here is the picture. Not as drastic as the others but it does look underexposed to me.



than i shot in P mode and set the flash comp to + 1 and this is how it looked.

 
Thank you Doug,

Very good information. So what you are saying is that this could and may be normal for the 350? I just have to figure out the best metering approach for my needs. The reason I am tring to figure this out fast is that I have to make up my mind if i want to return the camera as time is running out on the return. I was not too pleased with the outside pictures as well, they all seam a little dingey and under exposed also, but attributed it to my lack of real photography knowledge. Then I noticed that all my inside pics were under exposed. I thought I might have changed a setting but I reset the camera and it still did the same thing. I don't know if i should return it just incase there is something wrong with it.

Thanks
 
In Auto mode, if one of the focus boxes is covering a bright area when you take the picture, then the picture will most likely turn out severly underexposed. I have the 300D and it behaves the same way as the 350D. Solution when using Auto mode: Make sure that nothing bright is covering any of the focus boxes when you take the picture. Examples of such bright sources are lamps and televisions.

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Hi,

How do you explain the picture from my friends 300D coming out so different at the same settings shooting the same picture?

Thanks
 
It wasn't the same picture. Read my explanation from before.
Hi,

How do you explain the picture from my friends 300D coming out so
different at the same settings shooting the same picture?

Thanks
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How do you explain the picture from my friends 300D coming out so
different at the same settings shooting the same picture?
My only advice is to do a few tests again and pay attention to all of the focus boxes when you push the button. I hope you'll figure it out. If it doesn't behave 'better', then you should have Canon to check your camera.

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Geir
 
I think it's due to the wrong focusing of the camera. Because the Auto mode uses 7 AF point. So, if the lower AF point was in focus. It might be focusing on the neared subject and less powered flash is fired.

Pop up the flash and try both camera again with P mode and single AF point.. Prefferably the center AF. Point it at the same subject. Then make a comparison.

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First, you metered off the television, therefore the camera assumes
the scene is bright, whereas your friend metered off the wall and
the exposure was more accurate.

Second, his flash fired and yours didn't.

Use a tripod for this kind of testing...his then yours, so they're
pointing at the same subject for metering and focus purposes if you
really think yours is problematic.
Oh yea. And switch to P mode and pop up the flash manually. Then Use the center AF point only. Don;t point at the television because the television produce inconsistent radiation(fotons).

Make sure that the metering of both camera are the same.
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My 1st 350D I bought I was always happy with from start[Grey].

Then I bought a 2nd one[Black], and from start it was overexposing, and I was doubting it's capability.
I took it back and they replaced it-I am happy.

The fact of the matter is, that if I did not had two to prove myself, I could have end up with a slightly faulty camera, causing grief over a long period of time, wasted hours and photo's, only to realise it way later..

The fact that you start doubting it is enough. My advice to you is...Return the thing to dealer and simultaniously contact Canon with serial number etc, to prevent recirculation..Save yourself some grief.

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It might be focusing on the neared subject and less powered flash
is fired.
The E-TTL II system used in the XT/350D does not care about focus points. That is a change from the Digital Rebel (300D).
 
So what you are saying is that this could and may be normal
for the 350?
Yes, it's normal. The XT/350D will tend to expose the flash for the closest items in the scene that are of any size, unless those items cause flash reflections (glass, mirrors, chrome, etc.).

The "simple" solution is to compose your scene such that your subject is the closest thing visible. If that's not the composition that you want, then use FEL and recompose - but don't move closer or farther away after locking the exposure.

You can also adjust the overall flash exposure with Flash Exposure Compensation (FEC, manual page 100).
I was not too pleased with the outside pictures as well, they all
seam a little dingey and under exposed also
That will be a different issue. The non-flash parts of your examples above were a good match between the 300D and your camera.

Can you post some examples of your outside pictures?
 
In Auto mode, if one of the focus boxes is covering a bright area
when you take the picture, then the picture will most likely turn
out severly underexposed. I have the 300D and it behaves the same
way as the 350D.
Wrong. The 300D and the 350D do NOT behave the same way for flash exposure. The DReb/300D uses the AF points when determining flash exposure, the XT/350D does not.

That difference is the root of the original poster's question.
 

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