E-20 beta photo

Donald Chin said:

here is the link to a photo taken with E-20 beta version,



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Donald

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Hi Donald,
Thanks for providing us with the link.
This picture, what a DISAPPOINTMENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The quality is just not there. The eyelashes, skin, hair, etc., ; the E-10 has given me since it was first introduced far greater quality. (I'm not talking about the subject here; this model is beautiful but it has nothing to do with what we're talking about : the technical quality of the shot).

I understand that a definite vote is hard to come by based on this picture (we don't really know what was done to it like in post-production or else but really if this is what Olympus is coming out with, I for one will wait for the next model.

Keep in mind also, that head to waist shots is where these top digits shine, even better for them the very close up beauty shots, top of hair to neck+ -, but what about head to toe fashion (or any full length shots)?

Didi.......boy I am glad I have the E-10

Dear K,
Went to the gallery, all of them were downsized images...

This particular image is from the retouch directory, and is the only E20 image there
== http://digital-olympus.com/mag/retouch/25/

Oh, one more observation, this 5M file is only 663K... this might account for some of the artifacts, with such aggressive compression.

koo22 said:

cj yap said:

Awfully sharp pictures, but because of the shallow dof, we wonder
where the emphasis is on... I thought I could see skin pores!

Shadow areas seem noisy, at, err her breast, and jpeg edge artifact
evident... RAW file should overcome some of this problems...

But terrible CA around the bra edges as well as the adjacent arm...
I imagine the photo was taken at the telephoto settings... why are
the CAs so prominent?? Sigh, if only it is free from CA like the
Minolta D7 lens...

So I guess, E10 for me, for the time being!

Donald Chin said:

here is the link to a photo taken with E-20 beta version,



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Donald

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Didi said:

This picture, what a DISAPPOINTMENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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I have a few observations that may have already been pointed out by others ...

• The full size sample is the original file, if I read the Japanese correctly.
• The size of the file indicates it is highly compressed; therefore some noise or lack of sharpness in high detail areas (like hair) we see may be jpeg artifacts.
• It looks like very little sharpening is applied by the camera. Notice there is no hard edges or white halos. Maybe that's why the picture looks soft. A little bit of sharpening in PS brings out more detail, and unfortunately more jpeg artifacts.
• Undeniably there is noticeable chromatic aberration.
• Colors looks fine and pleasing, especially when compared with the pictures from the C-40 in the same gallery.

I'd say the picture is not bad. To say it's a "DISAPPOINTMENT" is a bit unfair to E-20, because of the camera's beta status and the fact that the file is highly compressed. Let's wait for Phil's review, and more sample pictures, before drawing our conclusion ...

Tony Lau said:

Didi said:

This picture, what a DISAPPOINTMENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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I have a few observations that may have already been pointed out by
others ...

• The full size sample is the original file, if I read the Japanese

correctly.

• The size of the file indicates it is highly compressed......

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My iView mediaPro software indicates a compression of 1:21! Roger H

Roger H said:

Tony Lau said:

Didi said:

This picture, what a DISAPPOINTMENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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I have a few observations that may have already been pointed out by
others ...

• The full size sample is the original file, if I read the Japanese

correctly.

• The size of the file indicates it is highly compressed......

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My iView mediaPro software indicates a compression of 1:21! Roger H

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Ahh, bandwidth problems! Here's another tip for those not familiar with lens design: Purple fringing has often been misidentified as chromatic aberration. Chromatic aberration is when the lens cannot converge all of the colors properly to the CCD. If this lens had CA, it would be all over the place, how strange that this is the only part of the digigraph that it occurs in. It could be the algorithms, compression, ccd itself, or any other number of things. Aren't we living in a wonderful time when we can look upon a digi such as this and pick the camera apart!? My how times change! I'd like to see the other cameras on identical conditions. Noise? Man, if that's all the noise it's go, it's for me! I've looked at the other cameras, they're no better. I'm waiting for the full review. In the meantime, I'm saving my money for the E-20 and watching and waiting and shooting and shooting!

If you go to the site, you will see that they took these shoots at ISO 80, White Balance-Auto and in HQ mode. I don't think you can really judge a camera by what it produces in HQ mode. I need to see what it can do in TIFF or RAW to form a real opinion. I guess I will have to wait and get my hands on one and try it out.

Donald and All,

I was looking on the site and it appears as if this photo was re-touched.

Let me know if I'm wrong. There is a photo called ... retouch/E20 or something like that and I compared the two photos. They are the same.

Jason Busch

Jason Busch said:

Donald and All,

I was looking on the site and it appears as if this photo was
re-touched.
Let me know if I'm wrong. There is a photo called ... retouch/E20
or something like that and I compared the two photos. They are the
same.

Jason Busch

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I can't read the Japanese but thought it was pretty obvious they were playing with the colors by way of the curves adjustment. Looking at the background differences in the top two pics compared to the lower two seems to confirm this.

The larger image carries the same tones as the top two (untouched?) photos. This indicates an untouched (but highly compressed) image being used to demonstrate white balancing in a photo editing program. Not really a review release of the E-20 at all but maybe a how-to article using an E-20 image?

Ken

Dear Ken,

Ken Huckeba said:

Purple fringing has often been misidentified as
chromatic aberration. Chromatic aberration is when the lens cannot
converge all of the colors properly to the CCD. If this lens had
CA, it would be all over the place

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Those were red green fringes, not purple fringing from CCD blooming. If those were CCD blooming I would be more worried... these were moderate contrast, or even flat lighting conditions. What would happen in bright sunlight?

If I understand correctly, due to the small CCDs, very short focal lengths, digicam lens would always be proned to chromatic aberations at the edges. E10 is better than most because of the ED element, but it hasn't eliminated it totally, especially at the wide angle end which is more noticeable around high contrast edges at the periphery of the image. At least in my camera

Ken,

I would sure like to get an E-20 in my hands, regardless. I think some of the photographers on this forum will get them before Phil does.

Jason Busch

Jason Busch said:

Ken,

I would sure like to get an E-20 in my hands, regardless. I think
some of the photographers on this forum will get them before Phil
does.

Jason Busch

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I have 3 on order

My Oly rep keeps teasing me with promises of e-mailed samples, but I'm checking only to find no images. He told me that they were working on a few firmware updates and he installed one on his pre-pro unit yesterday. To upgrade you need a specially formatted SM card and an AC adapter. There is NO hookup to a computer required. So (to stirr up an old debate) users could technically download firmware and install via a SM card. I asked him why they didn't offer this DL online, and he told me of a mistake he made installing firmware on the E-10 and he fried the camera. So it's a policy to protect customers' cameras to have an Oly tech do it.

Any day now I should recieve these images. I was told, and re-told that they are not representative of the quality of the finished, production camera. I can sense a hesitation on his part about sending out these pix. My faith is slightly, but cautiously restored.

Joe H.

Joe Hoddinott said:

My Oly rep keeps teasing me with promises of e-mailed samples, but
I'm checking only to find no images. He told me that they were
working on a few firmware updates and he installed one on his
pre-pro unit yesterday. To upgrade you need a specially formatted
SM card and an AC adapter. There is NO hookup to a computer
required. So (to stirr up an old debate) users could technically
download firmware and install via a SM card. I asked him why they
didn't offer this DL online, and he told me of a mistake he made
installing firmware on the E-10 and he fried the camera. So it's a
policy to protect customers' cameras to have an Oly tech do it.

Any day now I should recieve these images. I was
told, and re-told that they are not representative of the quality
of the finished, production camera. I can sense a hesitation on
his part about sending out these pix. My faith is slightly, but
cautiously restored.

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I just don't think we are going to see a socko difference between an E10 and an E20 image. Hopefully, a little less noise in the blue skies, but it just isn't that bad in the E10. When you go to Phil's site and look at the comparison images, no matter which cameras he is comparing, there just isn't that much to see, even at high magnification.

What do you expect to look for?

Gary Eickmeier

Gary Eickmeier said:

I just don't think we are going to see a socko difference between
an E10 and an E20 image. Hopefully, a little less noise in the blue
skies, but it just isn't that bad in the E10. When you go to Phil's
site and look at the comparison images, no matter which cameras he
is comparing, there just isn't that much to see, even at high
magnification.

What do you expect to look for?

Gary Eickmeier

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I agree there won't be that much difference other than file size. My bets are that Oly has done some magic with noise reduction and the increased detail level will help for editing large prints. The key here is print. I want to see how it handles the dynamic range, details, noise, shadows, etc.

Maybe there will be a few other surprizes.

Joe H.