S602Z Micro Drive Spec.

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Could anyone tell me the limiting specification for the Compact Flash Microdrive for this camera. There are many for sale on e-bay but I don't know the upper limit for size. For instance, the Hitachi drives come in 2 GB, 4 GB and up. Their website specifies a drive: 3K4-2; DMDM 10340; DSCM 11000. for this camera. This could be just a 2GB or maybe either 2 or 4.

Any ideas?

TIA, Dave in Pennsylvania
 
The S602 and S7000 have a practical limit of 2gb due to being limited to FAT16 memory specs. While there are some that have partioned larger drives on the S602 and S7000 and been able to use them, I would recommend that you stay with the 2gb or smaller. I've been using a 2gb Hitachi in my S7000 (along with xD cards at the same time) for over 18 months with no problems. Hope this helps.
Clyde
 
This is just my personal oppinion and there may be many on here who will disagree with this, but I never use microdrives in my camera anymore. While no form of storage is immune to damage or corruption, microdrives are particularly susceptible to permanent irretrievable loss from small bumps. I had two microdives ( IBM) on two seperate occasions become unusable after a drop to a wooden floor of only 2 feet. Both times the pictures on the drives were unrecoverable. Luckily it was nothing critical, but had I lost a weeks worth of pictures after a family vacation - Ouch. I only use compact flash cards now. Even so I usually go into a local CVS every few days and have the files copied to CD, but just the same, Microdrives are far too fragile for priceless photos.
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Former S602Z, now Fuji Finepix S9000
http://www.doctormelgar.com/mikes_gallery.htm
 
I wondered about the durability of the microdrives, so it is good to hear your impressions.

Although I have not had that experience, I did "donate" both my cameras and a laptop etc, by leaving my carryon backpack on an ariport trolly ealier this year. Tough loss of hardware, but the two hundred pictures from a competition in the Czech Republic was irreplacable.

I think I will stick with the 128 meg SmartMedia cards.

Thanks a lot, Dave
 
This is just my personal oppinion and there may be many on here who
will disagree with this, but I never use microdrives in my camera
anymore. While no form of storage is immune to damage or
corruption, microdrives are particularly susceptible to permanent
irretrievable loss from small bumps. I had two microdives ( IBM) on
two seperate occasions become unusable after a drop to a wooden
floor of only 2 feet. Both times the pictures on the drives were
unrecoverable. Luckily it was nothing critical, but had I lost a
weeks worth of pictures after a family vacation - Ouch. I only use
compact flash cards now. Even so I usually go into a local CVS
every few days and have the files copied to CD, but just the same,
Microdrives are far too fragile for priceless photos.
--
Former S602Z, now Fuji Finepix S9000
http://www.doctormelgar.com/mikes_gallery.htm
I would not call dropping cards, cameras, etc.normal usage (dropped two of them, obviously not learning anything from the first incident). CF cards are electronic devices, they can and do fail. As I've stated numerous times on this forum, Hitachi re-designed the microdrives to make them more robust after buying the rights from IBM, so the 2gb and larger drives are the new design for sure, most problems have occurred with the older, smaller IBM drives. My professional photographer friend has used microdrives in all of his DSLRs that take them (as well as his S7k backup) for a few years with no microdrive failures, his gear is on a plane headed to a cat show somewhere in the world most every weekend. My experience has not been that "Microdrives are far too fragile for priceless photos.". In my 18 months of using a 2gb Hitachi microdrive, I've certainly had some priceless photos on the drive that were not lost.
Clyde
 
Clyde Atkinson wrote:
I would not call dropping cards, cameras, etc.normal usage (dropped
two of them, obviously not learning anything from the first
incident).
It may not be "normal usage" as defined by the manufacturer, but it is going to happen sooner or later. These card must be removed from the camera to put in a card reader and no matter how careful you are, sooner or later you're going to drop one. The law of averages is going to catch up to you eventually.
CF cards are electronic devices, they can and do fail.
As I've stated numerous times on this forum, Hitachi re-designed
the microdrives to make them more robust after buying the rights
from IBM, so the 2gb and larger drives are the new design for sure,
most problems have occurred with the older, smaller IBM drives. My
professional photographer friend has used microdrives in all of his
DSLRs that take them (as well as his S7k backup) for a few years
with no microdrive failures, his gear is on a plane headed to a cat
show somewhere in the world most every weekend. My experience has
not been that "Microdrives are far too fragile for priceless
photos.". In my 18 months of using a 2gb Hitachi microdrive, I've
certainly had some priceless photos on the drive that were not lost.
Clyde
I don't care how robust they make a microdrive, it still has moving parts. With enough of a jolt ( and it doesn't have to be much) a small part can break or the head can come in contact with the disk and corrupt your data enough to make the disk unreadable. While CF cards are not infalible ( and sooner or later they will fail as well) they are a solid state device and far less susceptible to mechanical trauma. With CF cards now as large as 8GB the only advantage I see is that the microdrives are a bit cheaper. I guess you just have to decide how much your pictures are worth to you. I'm glad you have never dropped a drive or had a problem with one, but that's not the case for everyone. If you have a thousand people using microdrives and a thousand using CF cards over a 1-2 year period the microdrive owners are going to have more failures. Is it going to happen a lot? I don't know what the failure rate is. You can probaly stand under a tree in a lightning storm and most of the time you're not going to have a problem, but I wouldn't recommend doing that either. I would prefer whenever possible to have the statistical advantage on my side unless there is some compelling reason not to. Drives are replaceable but the family vacation photos on them can never be replaced.

None of this changes the fact that when you have something really important on these devices - Back it up frequently. Even when you're away from home ther's always some place nearby - a drug store, camera store, shopping mall where they can usually copy your stuf to a CD. I usually get an extra CD for about a $1.50 and send it home in the included envelope so if my luggage and camera get stolen/lost the pictures are safely in my mailbox when I return home. An ounce of prevention...
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Former S602Z, now Fuji Finepix S9000
http://www.doctormelgar.com/mikes_gallery.htm
 
Clyde Atkinson wrote:
I would not call dropping cards, cameras, etc.normal usage (dropped
two of them, obviously not learning anything from the first
incident).
I wouldn't say I didn't learn anything. The first drive was replaced under warranty. When the second one failed I learned not to use microdrives
--
Former S602Z, now Fuji Finepix S9000
http://www.doctormelgar.com/mikes_gallery.htm
 
Actually, you don't have to remove the microdrive. All you have to do is hook up the USB cable to the jack on the left side of the camera and download from there...thus reducing the risk of bending the connector pins in the camera, among other potential problems.
 
Actually, you don't have to remove the microdrive. All you have to
do is hook up the USB cable to the jack on the left side of the
camera and download from there...thus reducing the risk of bending
the connector pins in the camera, among other potential problems.
Granted. I intentionally ignored that issue because transfer times are generally slower using that method and this can be a significant issue when downloading 500-1000MB of files. It also requires you to use the manufacturers own quirky software with many cameras, The card reader allows you to bypass that issue since you can just copy and paste from the card to your hard drive. I don't have to learn a new interface for each camera we have in the house ( my three kids each have a digital camera)Your comment regarding the pins is correct although I have never found this to be a problem given that the guides on the card pretty much prevent the card from gonig in at an angle. Just the same, if you have the time and patience ( and a power adapter or fully charged batteries to keep the camera powered up through out the transfer) its certainly safer to transfer the files through the camera.
--
Former S602Z, now Fuji Finepix S9000
http://www.doctormelgar.com/mikes_gallery.htm
 
Clyde Atkinson wrote:
I would not call dropping cards, cameras, etc.normal usage (dropped
two of them, obviously not learning anything from the first
incident).
I wouldn't say I didn't learn anything. The first drive was
replaced under warranty. When the second one failed I learned not
to use microdrives
--
Former S602Z, now Fuji Finepix S9000
http://www.doctormelgar.com/mikes_gallery.htm
Hi Mike,

Does that mean if you drop a camera under warranty and have it replaced and you then drop that camera, you will learn not to use cameras?? Mostly kidding, but that is what your logic seems to imply. There can and will be failures in any kind of electronic device, be it a twenty dollar memory card or a three thousand dollar computer. I've had a defective music synthsizer that cost several thousand dollars, but it didn't mean that I stopped using synthesizers. Oh, and I've never dropped a synth on the floor (though it can and does happen) .
Clyde
 
Hi Mike,
Does that mean if you drop a camera under warranty and have it
replaced and you then drop that camera, you will learn not to use
cameras?? Mostly kidding, but that is what your logic seems to
imply. There can and will be failures in any kind of electronic
device, be it a twenty dollar memory card or a three thousand
dollar computer. I've had a defective music synthsizer that cost
several thousand dollars, but it didn't mean that I stopped using
synthesizers. Oh, and I've never dropped a synth on the floor
(though it can and does happen) .
Clyde
Point taken. I think we're beating a dead horse here ( mostly my fault I suppose - sorry about that). To answer you, no I wouldn't learn to stop using cameras, I would hope that I would learn to buy cameras that were more likely to survive the inevitable abuse they would suffer in my hands. I guess if you take good care of your stuff then buy what ever fits your needs and if your a little tougher on your equipment than a CF card might be a better choice. Like I said in my first post. There will be people who will disagree with me. Thats what these boards are for, the free exchange of oppinions and ideas. Thanks for an intelligent opposing point of view.
--
Former S602Z, now Fuji Finepix S9000
http://www.doctormelgar.com/mikes_gallery.htm
 
Hi Mike,

I agree and I'm glad we were able to disagree politely. We all have to make decisions about what items will suit our needs the best, due to personal preferences/styles what works for me may not work for you and vice versa.
Clyde
 

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