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I just got my H1 and I am more than pleased.

But curiosity and habit have me now, and I also want a dSLR.

Sony's forum seems to be the best area to me, as there is the LEAST bashing here, and everyone gets along quite well.

So I figured I'd get the least biased opinions here.

The purpose for my dSLR is ACTION shots in a gymnasium (the toughest of places).

So which dSLR would you go for if you made the dive? Yes I am on a budget, and I hope to stay under $1000.

Seems quite feasible from what little I priced at Butterfly Photo.
 
I'm the same way, got my H1 in early October, now look at my sig :D

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Sony H1, planning on a D50
 
D50 would be the way to go with your budget. It's fast! Still love my Sonys but the D50 blows them away with the speed!
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Sony F828, F717, P200 and just about every accessory imaginable.
My newest baby is the Nikon D50. Wow! This thing is fast!
 
PicFactor said:
D50 would be the way to go with your budget. It's fast! Still
love my Sonys but the D50 blows them away with the speed!
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You may also consider the Canon Rebel XT and the 85/1.8 USM lens - a great combination for low light sports. With the current Canon double-triple rebates it is $960 from BH PHoto, and another $100 or so rebate if you add a second lens from the rebate list.

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Misha
 
I just got the D70s. I own the 828. I was going to get the D50- my decision was based on the memory card. I already had a 2gb microdrive and the D50 did not have the compact flash slot for it. I have had the camera less than a week- below is a link to my first shots.

As far as forums go- the D50/D70 forum is very nice and the people are just as helpful so don't be afraid to post if you have a question. People were very friendly to my first post in the forum. Here is the link to that post:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1034&message=16025410

Read over Phil's review for each camera. I found them to be very helpful. Good luck- I think either the Canon or Nikon you will be happy with.

I am happy with the D70s- just need time to use it more. The backlight on the D70 already has come in handy.

Charles
http://www.yellowecho.com

First Pictures with the Nikon D70s:
http://www.yellowecho.com/travel/brooklyn_bridge_01.html

Portfolio:
http://www.yellowecho.com/portfoliogallery/index.html

Recent Panoramic Images (with the Sony 828):
http://www.yellowecho.com/panoramicgallery06.htm

360x180 QTVR:
http://www.yellowecho.com/travel/devils_kitchen_360.htm
 
I think you would find the speed and high ISO performance of the Canon 350D excellent and fine for indoor sports.

Get yourself a good fast prime, like the 50mm f/1.8, you'll take shots of indoor sports you didn't realize were possible, and on a budget!

Anyway, I'll have you know I'm a Sony user too, I have a CD300 and a V1.
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http://usedtoit03.deviantart.com/gallery
 
without a lens (drawback), but all your lenses will be stabilized(plus)

. It has superior ergos (IMO) to the others in it's price range, by that I mean less menu more buttons and dials. It has excellent high ISO performance and its speed is on par with the others.

Also, you might want to consider the Oly E-300/500 2 lens kit. You get two vey good kit lenses that cover 28-300mm for $800 or less and in some cases in the low $600s for the E-300.

I moved from the 828 to the E-300 2 lens kit. It's a great camera. The others have better high ISO performance, but to me the difference is not that great. I do have to use Noiseware though to get comparable images.

Good luck with you decision.

Gene
 
If your total budget is $1000, I think you are not ready for dSLR sport photography. Others may think otherwise but please consider:

1. For indoor sport You need a fast telephoto lens (f/2.8 or better). Very likely in 70-200 range. Cheapest of these and still providing quality is Sigma but this lens alone is close to $800 and at high end you are looking at $1700.

2. You need a camera that can focus at that aperture (some people may not realise that 350xt for example has a dimmer focus even if you have a 2.8 or brighter lens). In Canon range this means 20d ($1250+)
3. Very likely you may need 5fps. Again this is not found on lower end dSLRs.

4. You need good high ISO performace. This is the only category where you will get good performance for 800 to 1600 from majority of modern dSLRs (some better than others)
5. Add high capacity, high speed (4GB) CompactFlash ($450)

With spare batteries, quality filter ($100+ 77mm for lens protection), monopod to support that lens and possibly high end flash ($330-380 if the event allows for flash photography) you will be lucky to get a system below $3000.

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Ted Szukalski

Photographic gallery: http://thewebmark.com.au/photography/
 
I know may are on a budget just as I am. If you shoot in low lighting situations and have a need for good High ISO performance and stay within your budget Canon is the way to go.

I realize you only have 1000.00 but I would inverst in a good body the 20D would fill the bill nicely.

Excellent build quality, very good high ISO performance. You can get the body for 1199.00 and price will drop as the 20D replacement is announced at the 2006 PMA.

The Canon ISO performance is superior to the Nikon D50/D70, much faster burst rates, ISO up to 3200, much better build quality.

Couple that camera with the 50mm f1.8 lens to start ($95.00) and you have a really nice package to start with.

The new D200 is performing at the 20D level in ISO performance but body is $1699.00

It only takes a few more dollars to go the next level which is one giant step between the listed cameras.

My 2 cents worth..

MarvC
 
BTW,

Canon 70-200mm F4 L glass can be had for under 575.00, the higher ISO and this lens gives a great alternative to the 70-200 f2.8 IS (1900.00).
Also the Tamron 28-75 XR DI f2.8 lens can be had for 335.00 and under.

DSLR is expensive getting into, you want the best glass you can afford but the results are outstanding!
MarvC
 
Ted.Sz said:
If your total budget is $1000, I think you are not ready for dSLR
sport photography. Others may think otherwise but please consider:

1. For indoor sport You need a fast telephoto lens (f/2.8 or
better). Very likely in 70-200 range. Cheapest of these and still
providing quality is Sigma but this lens alone is close to $800 and
at high end you are looking at $1700.
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For dim gym lighting even 2.8 may be too slow. The way to go here is a prime or two, e.g. the 85/1.8 (excellent quality, fast focus) and 50/1.8 (good optical quality, cheap).
TedSz said:
2. You need a camera that can focus at that aperture (some people
may not realise that 350xt for example has a dimmer focus even if
you have a 2.8 or brighter lens). In Canon range this means 20d
($1250+)
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That's not correct. Both the XT and 20D focus at maximum aperture of the lens (1.8, 2.8, etc.), the difference being that the 20D has a more accurate center focus point with lenses 2.8 or faster, so is supposed to focus within narrower tolerances (1/3 depth of field)
TedSz said:
3. Very likely you may need 5fps. Again this is not found on lower
end dSLRs.
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Well timed single shot often is more effective than a 5 fps burst. I have it on my 20D but hardly ever use it.
TedSz said:
4. You need good high ISO performace. This is the only category
where you will get good performance for 800 to 1600 from majority
of modern dSLRs (some better than others)
5. Add high capacity, high speed (4GB) CompactFlash ($450)

With spare batteries, quality filter ($100+ 77mm for lens
protection), monopod to support that lens and possibly high end
flash ($330-380 if the event allows for flash photography) you will
be lucky to get a system below $3000.
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No expense spared and budget be damned, right? ;-)
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Misha
 
Look to buy a couple of used lenses......there are a lot of good ones out there. I'd be happy to help you out with the lenses as would the Nikon Lens forum. Just for starters....I'd get the 28-105 f3.5-4.5 (this was my favorite walk around lens for a while - around $225 used) and the 50 f1.8 for low light work (less than $100 new!). wide end gets more difficult....but, that can be done too.

Just say I'm thinking about skipping the kit lens. Many will discourage you. But, I never really used mine! - and there are others that agree.

Then again....if you go Canon the same can be said. Their kit lenses aren't very good. (again I don't think Nikon's are either.)

Ian

I started here too......P150 and V3.
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http://www.ianz28.smugmug.com

 
The Konica Minolta 5D is in the same price range as the Nikon D50. It also has at least the same quality. Both cameras use the same Sony sensor.

There are two advantages to the KM 5D over the D50:

1 Antishake. This will give you a big advantage in school halls. You can use slower shutter speeds or a highger f-number than with the Nikon, between 2-3 stops. This can really let you make shots you could not otherwise do without a flash or a tripod.

2 If you are a Sony enthusiast, there will be joint Sony/KM DSLRs next year, which will use the same lenses as the KM 5D. So, in the mendium to long term, you investment in lenses is never lost. They can last 20 years, which your camera won't.

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Mike
http://mikekatz.smugmug.com
 
Photos-Mike said:
The Konica Minolta 5D is in the same price range as the Nikon D50.
It also has at least the same quality. Both cameras use the same
Sony sensor.

There are two advantages to the KM 5D over the D50:

1 Antishake. This will give you a big advantage in school halls.
You can use slower shutter speeds or a highger f-number than with
the Nikon, between 2-3 stops. This can really let you make shots
you could not otherwise do without a flash or a tripod.
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Yes, the KM 5D is a good choice, the antishake is useful in low light. Note though, as its name suggests, it is for countering camera shake, not subject movement, for which you still need fast shutter speeds (fast lenses).
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Misha
 
be used to reduce iso for quality or increase it for shorter shutter speeds. I couldn't be happier with the KM 5D and I expect the Sony/KM dslr to be even better given Sony's resources.
geeate
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Sony V3
5D + 18-70 kit lens, Minolta 50mm f1.7, Tokina 18-70 f2.6-2.8 ATX
Pro, 100mmf2.8.
 
Geeate said:
be used to reduce iso for quality or increase it for shorter
shutter speeds. I couldn't be happier with the KM 5D and I expect
the Sony/KM dslr to be even better given Sony's resources.
geeate
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In many cases yes, but for the intended use (action photos in a gym), AS (IS, OS, VR) will not help much, unless you shoot static or slow moving scenes.
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Misha
 
RonFlash said:
RonFlash wrote:
I just got my H1 and I am more than pleased.
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20d
RonFlash said:
But curiosity and habit have me now, and I also want a dSLR.
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20d
RonFlash said:
Sony's forum seems to be the best area to me, as there is the LEAST
bashing here, and everyone gets along quite well.
Click to expand...
20d
RonFlash said:
So I figured I'd get the least biased opinions here.
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20d
RonFlash said:
The purpose for my dSLR is ACTION shots in a gymnasium (the
toughest of places).
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20d
RonFlash said:
So which dSLR would you go for if you made the dive? Yes I am on a
budget, and I hope to stay under $1000.
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wait till you have the cash, then, 20d
RonFlash said:
Seems quite feasible from what little I priced at Butterfly Photo.
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rich
http://www.photoallure.com
 
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