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I was at the Solutions Expo in London today and checked out the D200 including its high iso performance in a limited way on fine quality jpeg only with NR off. Can't find any way to convert the RAW files at this stage that I took earlier.

Very fine camera by initial impressions!

You can check the jpegs for yourself here by clicking on the 'original' file. Warning 5MB + .

http://www.pbase.com/tmaterman/d200_1600iso

Tom
 
I like it!

But this is quite underexsposed don't you think? It must be better if you exsposed right...
 
Looks to me ISO 800 shot is about 1 stop under exposed while ISO 1600 one was proper exposure.

I'm sure many will disagree, but I will prefer to turn on high ISO NR with this camera. In some areas it seems to do better than dedicated NR programs (Neat Image, Noise Ninja, etc.). Maybe it's because the NR algorithm in D200 is optimized for its sensor.

Thanks for sharing! The more the better.

Photobug
Photom1 said:
I was at the Solutions Expo in London today and checked out the
D200 including its high iso performance in a limited way on fine
quality jpeg only with NR off. Can't find any way to convert the
RAW files at this stage that I took earlier.

Very fine camera by initial impressions!

You can check the jpegs for yourself here by clicking on the
'original' file. Warning 5MB + .

http://www.pbase.com/tmaterman/d200_1600iso

Tom
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iso1600 really don't need any NR if you ask me.

I'm looking in it at 19" monitor and it is great! On paper should be even better!
Photobug said:
I'm sure many will disagree, but I will prefer to turn on high ISO
NR with this camera. In some areas it seems to do better than
dedicated NR programs (Neat Image, Noise Ninja, etc.). Maybe it's
because the NR algorithm in D200 is optimized for its sensor.

Thanks for sharing! The more the better.

Photobug
Photom1 said:
I was at the Solutions Expo in London today and checked out the
D200 including its high iso performance in a limited way on fine
quality jpeg only with NR off. Can't find any way to convert the
RAW files at this stage that I took earlier.

Very fine camera by initial impressions!

You can check the jpegs for yourself here by clicking on the
'original' file. Warning 5MB + .

http://www.pbase.com/tmaterman/d200_1600iso

Tom
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I don't disagree. Personal preference I guess.

At the same size (so D200's is at lower %) on my calibrated 19" LCD, this D200 ISO 1600 shot has slightly less noise than my properly exposed D70 shots. And at 100% (pixel to pixel), they are just about equal. But I just think I'll like results with D200's NR turned on the best. From what I've seen, D200 likely have the most advanced in-camera NR ever.
drejc said:
I'm looking in it at 19" monitor and it is great! On paper should
be even better!
Photobug said:
I'm sure many will disagree, but I will prefer to turn on high ISO
NR with this camera. In some areas it seems to do better than
dedicated NR programs (Neat Image, Noise Ninja, etc.). Maybe it's
because the NR algorithm in D200 is optimized for its sensor.

Thanks for sharing! The more the better.

Photobug
Photom1 said:
I was at the Solutions Expo in London today and checked out the
D200 including its high iso performance in a limited way on fine
quality jpeg only with NR off. Can't find any way to convert the
RAW files at this stage that I took earlier.

Very fine camera by initial impressions!

You can check the jpegs for yourself here by clicking on the
'original' file. Warning 5MB + .

http://www.pbase.com/tmaterman/d200_1600iso

Tom
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I currently own a 10d and I am in the market to upgrade to either D200 or the the replacement for 20d.

I am considering D200 for the build quality, better features like spot metering and most importantly the new 18-200 lens.

I am not at all concerned about any of the features mentioned above on D200, but seriously, I am not at all confident about the high ISO noise perfromace.

Looking at ISO1600 from D200 and 20d, D200 may be close to 20d in noise, but look at the details of the shots below. D200 lacks the details that 20d shows in high ISP pictures.

I am a bit confused when some people in this forum say that this is great perfromace from D200.

I am not trolling, only trying to find the right tool for me. I do not make money about this hobby, so I want the best bang for the buck that satisfies me.

Look at the ISO 1600 shot from D200:



Look at ISO 1600 from a camera that was released about 1.5 years ago:



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Ramesh
My gallery: http://www.world-of-photos.com

 
The trouble here is you really can't compare different images shot under different conditions. I've seen worse noise than the D200 images above out of the 20D AND the 5D. And of course better too.

We have to wait for someone to do a direct comparison, real tests, etc. before we can really know what we are looking at here.

If you are considering the D200, I'd be patient for a few more months.
rameshpkumar said:
I currently own a 10d and I am in the market to upgrade to either
D200 or the the replacement for 20d.

I am considering D200 for the build quality, better features like
spot metering and most importantly the new 18-200 lens.

I am not at all concerned about any of the features mentioned above
on D200, but seriously, I am not at all confident about the high
ISO noise perfromace.
Looking at ISO1600 from D200 and 20d, D200 may be close to 20d in
noise, but look at the details of the shots below. D200 lacks the
details that 20d shows in high ISP pictures.

I am a bit confused when some people in this forum say that this
is great perfromace from D200.

I am not trolling, only trying to find the right tool for me. I do
not make money about this hobby, so I want the best bang for the
buck that satisfies me.
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Ramesh
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Here is the 5D at ISO 1600. It is a 100% crop from a well exposed scene.

One can readily come up with similar examples from any camera.

 
rameshpkumar said:
I am a bit confused when some people in this forum say that this
is great perfromace from D200.
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it does sound surprising sometimes, makes me wonder if we're all looking at the same image, but then you'd have to realize people here want an iimprovement over their existing Nikon bodies and the D200 does look like it'll fit nicely in that spot.

The D200 on paper is EXACTLY what I am looking for in my next DSLR.. in fact everyone upgrading from a 300D/10D or even 20D for that matter should take a hard look at the D200.. all the features Canon would never give the consumer in it's consumer models are there.. yet image quality at high ISO is a deal breaker for me at least.
 
I really agree with you that you could get good and bad shots from the same camera. I guess I will wait for some initial reviews from thos who have already pre-ordered. Waiting till Feb/March might give me a chance to look at a possible 30d replacement also.

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Ramesh
My gallery: http://www.world-of-photos.com

 
I agree with you 100% that on paper D200 and 18-200 combo is the best out there that perfectly fits my photography style.

If performace is good enough I will switch to Nikon without any second thoughts. I am not a brand addict and all I need is the best tool for my budget.
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Ramesh
My gallery: http://www.world-of-photos.com

 
here are straight NEF to JPEG conversions that are as good (noise wise) as anything I've seen from a 20D or the 5D at the same ISO and light level.

However Ramesh's original issue was the difference in per pixel detail, and for that I'd say the samples he posted can't be used to indicate a difference. The lens used, aperture, DOF will vary how what is shot looks and those were completely different images in different light levels. We'll have to wait for controlled images of the same scene to see if the per pixel detail is as good as the 20D/5D but from the crops posted below it seems there to me. The only question is can out of camera jpeg shot NR OFF and sharpening OFF provide equal to this?

[ISO 3200!]
http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3899137&size=lg

[ISO 1600!]
http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3899054&size=lg

[ISO 800!]
http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3898774&size=lg

Original NEF's and jpegs (shot with NR applied) can be found here:
http://blog.koss.jp/page_2/

I must admit I was amazed at the variation in quality coming from the various early leaked shots, but these converted NEF's (alleged to be from a production body) show clearly that the D200 does indeed have the proof in it's IQ pudding.

Regards,

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David SL said:
here are straight NEF to JPEG conversions that are as good (noise
wise) as anything I've seen from a 20D or the 5D at the same ISO
and light level.
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Has any sharpening been applied there?

Do you have 100% crops of any these?

As a 20D owner I can say that, at least from these downsampled images, those images look better noise-wise than what I'd get from my 20D. The ISO 3200 image appears to be about what I'd expect from my 20D at ISO 1600.

If the 18-200mm lens is any good, the D200 will probably be my next camera. Even if it isn't, I might get the D200+17-55mm combination. (The 18-70mm Nikkor is a tremendous bargain, its quality is unheard of in Canon-land, but my next "all-around" lens will either have to be - preferably - stabilized, or be an f/2.8 lens, as I find my present f/4 lens is just too slow for low-light shots.)

Regards,
photovoyager
 
I wouldn't expect a 30D able to compete with the D200 this early. The risk of cannibalizing the 5D would be way too big for Canon.

Regards,
Bernard
rameshpkumar said:
I really agree with you that you could get good and bad shots from
the same camera. I guess I will wait for some initial reviews from
thos who have already pre-ordered. Waiting till Feb/March might
give me a chance to look at a possible 30d replacement also.
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