Last I heard, very very unofficially, barring some new glitch, they expected to put 5,000-6,000 units into the US during the first month of availability. I have no idea how many B&H are getting but based on prior history I'd guess about half are allocated to smaller dealers (who numerically makeup something like 85-90% of the authorized resellers). So I might expect B&H to get 400 units and your local store to get 2 or 3.
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D200: Mid March Delivery??
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Thom Hogan
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You dealer is making up a story, as most dealers tend to ;
First, under US law, this would be illegal for Nikon to do. The normal practice is to ensure that each dealer receives one or two bodies in the initial shipment (this is one thing that delays launch of products, by the way, as manufacturers are required to build up inventory to support such an initial distribution). After that, bodies are allocated I think based upon dealer orders and committments.
The more likely scenario: the dealer already has presold his initial allotment and hasn't ordered any additional units. This is one reason why most companies don't try to ship new products during the Christmas buying season, by the way. First, over half of a retail outlet's sales come during this time (so they're busy and don't get the bulk of their cash and profit until then). Second, demand for products is immediate (it has to be under the tree), so what happens when something isn't in stock is that something else gets sold. The dealer wants to sell you something he has already ordered and has paid his bucks to put in inventory, not something that isn't available yet.
That could very well be true. It's certainly been true of previous Nikon DSLR introductions that it takes three to six months to meet demand. Given the D200's features and price points, it's likely to be more towards the long end of that spectrum.
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John Novak
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I am glad they might not be available until march or later. I Just purchased my D70s in July of 05. So I'll wait until 2007 to buy the D200. Do you think they will be available then? Besides, by 2007 the D200 will probably be improved. Maybe a D200a, or a D200c, or a D200k, or a D200z, or D200s+
All the Bugs should be worked out by then. So I'll be glad to wait. Good Luck to those who buy the first models.
All the Bugs should be worked out by then. So I'll be glad to wait. Good Luck to those who buy the first models.
David SL
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...at high ISO? Keep reading...
Not official but here are some 100% crops of straight from NEF JPEGS, taken using an allegedly production D200 converted using faststone image viewer (not even the best converter on the market), no other processing done to image.Let wait for official samples.
[ISO 3200!]
http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3899137&size=lg
[ISO 1600!]
http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3899054&size=lg
[ISO 800!]
http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3898774&size=lg
Those look as good as or better than shots I've seen in similar light level taken with the 20D..and look, all the detail is preserved even at ISO 3200! The slight chroma noise that is visible at 1600 and 3200 can be blanked out with Photoshop's noise removal filter without affecting detail at all.
It is pointless to compare at lower ISO since they are all clean from highlight to deep shadow when processed from NEF. And these images were slightly underexposed! Only question for me is how close will the best possible out of camera JPEG get to this? The original NEF's used and jpegs (shot with NR applied) can be found here:
http://blog.koss.jp/page_2/
There is no longer a question of excellence for the image quality at high ISO for the D200.
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Thanks David!
Not official but here are some 100% crops of straight from NEF
JPEGS, taken using an allegedly production D200 converted using
faststone image viewer (not even the best converter on the market),
no other processing done to image.
[ISO 3200!]
http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3899137&size=lg
[ISO 1600!]
http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3899054&size=lg
[ISO 800!]
http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3898774&size=lg
Those look as good as or better than shots I've seen in similar
light level taken with the 20D..and look, all the detail is
preserved even at ISO 3200! The slight chroma noise that is visible
at 1600 and 3200 can be blanked out with Photoshop's noise removal
filter without affecting detail at all.
It is pointless to compare at lower ISO since they are all clean
from highlight to deep shadow when processed from NEF. And these
images were slightly underexposed! Only question for me is how
close will the best possible out of camera JPEG get to this? The
original NEF's used and jpegs (shot with NR applied) can be found
here:
http://blog.koss.jp/page_2/
There is no longer a question of excellence for the image quality
at high ISO for the D200.
Regards,
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Michael Jardine
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Umm, hello, they have already sold a huge quantity. It's called pre-orders.
Michael
http://www.Qamera.com
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Yup.
Like being able to shoot beautiful pictures @ ISO 8000.
Please give me a break.....
Wen
nunatak
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my thesis is that the first shipments will probably be air-shipped -- but in smaller quantities. by seeding a limited number of D200's before christmas, demand will be built up over the holiday season. if the first reviews are --as expected-- positive, this scarcity will rocket demand.
the reason i feel the first lot needs to be air-shipped, is that that the logistics for bulk shipping from Thailand to North America require 2-3 weeks shipping time, with another week to pass through customs and delivery to nikon's warehouses. the inventory also needs to be checked and orders prepared for delivery. to faciliate this for a world wide Dec 15th release date, all this needs to be completed by Dec 9th at the latest --worldwide. I doubt final firmware, QA, documentation, and packaging was finished until VERY recently.
the reason i feel small quantities will be available -- is shipping by air is relatively much more expensive than by sea. 400 is a very low number for initial introduction into a BIG market like the US. 4000 is a much more likely number.
i'm just basing this on my experiences with having books printed in Asia and having them delivered to North America and Europe.
the born 2 design
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the reason i feel the first lot needs to be air-shipped, is that that the logistics for bulk shipping from Thailand to North America require 2-3 weeks shipping time, with another week to pass through customs and delivery to nikon's warehouses. the inventory also needs to be checked and orders prepared for delivery. to faciliate this for a world wide Dec 15th release date, all this needs to be completed by Dec 9th at the latest --worldwide. I doubt final firmware, QA, documentation, and packaging was finished until VERY recently.
the reason i feel small quantities will be available -- is shipping by air is relatively much more expensive than by sea. 400 is a very low number for initial introduction into a BIG market like the US. 4000 is a much more likely number.
i'm just basing this on my experiences with having books printed in Asia and having them delivered to North America and Europe.
the born 2 design
design guy
michaeladawson
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This is not to say that Thom knows all. But your post seems to go against everything Thom has said.
Specifically, it makes no sense at all for a company to excite demand during the Christmas season by releasing some quantity of product and not have product to meet that demand.
Secondly, you cite no evidence except your own conjectures to support the claim that Nikon has just recently completed the documentation, packaging, firmware, etc and that therefore everything needs to be air shipped.
Why not speculate that the product offering was finalized Sept. 30th and that the assembly line has been going full tilt since then?
I seem to recall that I placed my pre-order for the D100 with Ritz sometime around July 4th and received my shipment in the mail before the end of July.
Specifically, it makes no sense at all for a company to excite demand during the Christmas season by releasing some quantity of product and not have product to meet that demand.
Secondly, you cite no evidence except your own conjectures to support the claim that Nikon has just recently completed the documentation, packaging, firmware, etc and that therefore everything needs to be air shipped.
Why not speculate that the product offering was finalized Sept. 30th and that the assembly line has been going full tilt since then?
I seem to recall that I placed my pre-order for the D100 with Ritz sometime around July 4th and received my shipment in the mail before the end of July.
michaeladawson
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This is not to say that Thom knows all. But your post seems to go against everything Thom has said.
Specifically, it makes no sense at all for a company to excite demand during the Christmas season by releasing some quantity of product and not have product to meet that demand.
Secondly, you cite no evidence except your own conjectures to support the claim that Nikon has just recently completed the documentation, packaging, firmware, etc and that therefore everything needs to be air shipped.
Why not speculate that the product offering was finalized Sept. 30th and that the assembly line has been going full tilt since then?
I seem to recall that I placed my pre-order for the D100 with Ritz sometime around July 4th and received my shipment in the mail before the end of July.
Specifically, it makes no sense at all for a company to excite demand during the Christmas season by releasing some quantity of product and not have product to meet that demand.
Secondly, you cite no evidence except your own conjectures to support the claim that Nikon has just recently completed the documentation, packaging, firmware, etc and that therefore everything needs to be air shipped.
Why not speculate that the product offering was finalized Sept. 30th and that the assembly line has been going full tilt since then?
I seem to recall that I placed my pre-order for the D100 with Ritz sometime around July 4th and received my shipment in the mail before the end of July.
Thomas Bauer
Veteran Member
When it comes in...
You'll get the Low Down
They said there will be enough
to meet initial demands
but after that like the other person said
not till maybe spring time US
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You'll get the
They said there will be enough
to meet initial demands
but after that like the other person said
not till maybe spring time US
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Guy Swarbrick
Veteran Member
Nikon UK is expecting 1000 in each of January, February & March. I would guess 5000 or so for the US, 2-3000 for Japan, 1000 each for France, Germany, Canada, maybe. 750 for Spain, Italy... etc etc. Quickly gets close to 50 000 units worldwide.
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I assume the firmware is more recent than that (your estimation might be correct too), but the fact is that Nikon can produce the D200 bodies ready to be shipped in huge quantities and then only replace the firmware before shipping. I assume that one single person can replace 100-200 firmwares per hour (might be
What I am aiming is that the firmware is hardly any problem, most probably the only important factors are 1) how many bodies can they assembly before 15th Dec (closest deliveries can be shipped only 1–3 days earlier), 2) how many sensors can Sony make for D200 in time (yields are better later but might be really good already) and how well the other products build in the same factory are selling (some resources are definately shared, even the D200 manufacturing process might be mostly separated).
So Nikon might surprice us with huge quantities Dec 15th. It is possible, but I am not sure how likely. But firmware is not likely going to be any issue, since 2-4 weeks before 15th Dec was a week ago, and then those could be well shipped in time.
And you wrote about air shipping... what other alternatives they have? Sea is not an alternative for high price tag but small sized electronics (besides heawy CRT televisions and such...). Air is the way to go even with D70 and D50...
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Michael Jardine
Senior Member
Did you pay in advance? I ordered (with credit card) on Nov 1 but my card has not been charged yet. I do get regular "updates" from Ritz by email.
Michael
http://www.Qamera.com
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Thomas Bauer
Veteran Member
I got a call from Wolf/Ritz around the same time when they had a D100.
I left my card for the heads up, and I didn’t even pre-order it from them...
So let’s not be so cynical about the whole thing...
Order from a reputable source, and hang loose...
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Thomas Bauer
Veteran Member
Yes...
I paid cash deposit...
They will give me a call when my D200 is in.
If you paid with credit card, the charge will not show
untill:...
The store recieves it, and then calls you...
From my understanding that's how Ritz works.
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... ( http://www.TBauer.com ) ...
I paid cash deposit...
They will give me a call when my D200 is in.
If you paid with credit card, the charge will not show
untill:...
The store recieves it, and then calls you...
From my understanding that's how Ritz works.
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glideslopes
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