E-1 first impressions [long]

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I received E-1, 14-54 & FL-36 yesterday, bought via ebay.

The body is as good as I hoped for, even better. Ergonomics is great, a lot of buttons, high quality finish, very good viewfinder, really excellent grip and great shutter button. Camera is very configurable, too.

All in all, excellent body, full of features and of high quality. We all know that.

I'd write here about things I didn't like. Just my opinion as a very dedicated hobbyist.

Image review sucks big time! And not only the fact that it takes around 3 secs for preview to appear on the LCD and the famous lack of histogram in the preview. I dislike the Play mode as well, and quite a bit so. First, there are two Info modes - 1 & 2. Mode 1 is completely useless to me, except for the image number which should be in the image information, anyway. Mode 2 is the real thing, but requires button press and dial roll to switch between blinking highlights, histogram and image info. Very disappointing, 10D had all that on one screen. And, on top of that, you can zoom only in the Mode 1. That's plain stupid! Also, once zoomed, you can't switch to the next image, you have to zoom it out first. The result is that I have to fiddle with Info button and command dial like a maniac to see all the information I want just for the few images - press Info, roll, roll again, Info, Info, roll to zoom, roll to zoom out, next.. OK, it's 2 years old design, but it's worse than the prehistoric Canon D30.

I'm glad that Olympus fixed the most of this stuff in E-500, but I am disappointed they didn't do anything in firmware to at least enable zooming in Info mode 2..

I am puzzled why I didn't find about this more at this forum, usually comments stop at "no preview histogram".

It's overly complicated to delete the last shot. Needs 4 keypressing..

Focus points are not lit, harder to notice focus, especially after disabling the annoying Beep tone. Also, it's harder to change AF point and it could have had a few of them more too.

Flash EV compensation buried in the menu. I don't get this, why so? Yes, FL-36 has it, but it's not close enough.

When moving through menus, going back one level should've been done with Left arrow, not the Menu key, it'd be much more logical, to me at least.
Somehow strap always gets on my way in the portrait mode.

I don't like the position of the EV comp. button, but I configured back dial to serve for that, so it does not matter much.

RAW file size. OK, I am maybe overreacting, but as an engineer I am insulted with 2.5MB of pure garbage in those files because they even didn't perform the simple data packing.

Focusing is fast enough, 14-54 lens is really nicely built. Manual focusing by-wire is much better than I thought it'd be, I actually like it more and more. Viewfinder is excellent, so it's easy to judge right focus, or to do MF.

Images are, just as I expected, excellent. Flash pictures are miles ahead of 10D with 550EX. Both in exposure accuracy and in colour.

Images have just beautiful colour and tonality. Off course, I was often tweaking my 10D images in post-processing to have the similar look, but it took some time and wasn't always successful.

I have an impression (which complies with online tests) that 10D had more resolving power. But that's in the optimal case - with very good lens and with exact focus, and often one of this parameters was missing. E-1 gives me good enough resolution for A4 images, I'm quite sure, we'll see about those 30x45cm prints later.

Exposure and focus accuracy is much better than what I had with mine 10D, and that is really a big relieve.

Noise? OK, Let's talk about the noise. ISO 100 & 200 are clean, 400 is somewhat noisier than 10D, and 800 quite a bit more. But.. I tried to clean some E-1 images quickly through Noise Image. E-1 images response better and easier to NI NR, probably due to lack of stronger in-camera NR. Thanks to Adam-T for pointing out that previously. I quickly created my own profiles form imaging-resource examples (BIG public thanks to Dave Etchells) and just a quick pass of E-1 ISO 800 images showed at least as good results as 10D ISO 800 images, also passed through NI, but with more effort used on them. Haven't used ISO 1600 yet, I don't think I will, it seems better to use underexposed ISO 800 shot.

I can't talk much about for now the sensor cleaning or weather sealing, I didn't have a lot of problems with my Canons in both area. Those two things actually had very little in my decision.

It's interesting that I didn't choose E-1 because of weather sealing or embedded sensor cleaning, but because of ergonomics, image quality, lenses and, above all, price.

Financially, more-less, I traded 10D, Sigma 18-125 and 50/1.8 for E-1, 14-54 & FL-36. And I am sure I got much more for the same amount of money. 10D sensor has more resolution capability, but it requires more expensive lenses to use that potential. This Olympus setup gives better results for me, so far.

If I could afford to purchase 17-40/4L, 60/2.8 macro, extra flash and/or if I wasn't afraid of focusing problems with Sigma 18-50/2.8 it might have ended differently. But I couldn't...

Bottom line - after a first intensive day, I am quite satisfied with my purchase so far and I have no regrets about leaving Canon 10D for this camera. I am still not as sure about KM 7D, though.. I'll see in time.

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Greetings, Aleksandar
 
When moving through menus, going back one level should've been done
with Left arrow, not the Menu key, it'd be much more logical, to me
at least.
well, left arrow works, even though it says you should use the menu button.
RAW file size. OK, I am maybe overreacting, but as an engineer I am
insulted with 2.5MB of pure garbage in those files because they
even didn't perform the simple data packing.
agreed, i hate that, too.
I have an impression (which complies with online tests) that 10D
had more resolving power. But that's in the optimal case - with
very good lens and with exact focus, and often one of this
parameters was missing.
the e-1 shots are softer. dunno if you thought abou this, but less sharpening can seem like less resolving power.
 
Thanks for taking the time to give your thoughts. I was wondering, since I'm on the fence myself between the E-1 and the KM 7D, what you meant by your final sentence. Do you mean you previously had the 7D, or are thinking of getting one, even though you have an E-1 now? I'm probably making my decision tomorrow to celebrate Turkey Day, and will head on down to the local store (which has the new E-1 kit for $700).

Mike
 
Having used a few Canon and tried many other cameras from different vendors, I have to say I like Canon's review and menu operation the best, very intuitive. In comparison, many items in Olympus's menu seem out of place. For example, why having only three image size, quality combination. Granted you can set different SQs. Still why not let user choose all size, then quality. But all in all, these are just minor annoyance to me, I really like the quality of E-1 and lenses from oly
I'd write here about things I didn't like. Just my opinion as a
very dedicated hobbyist.

Image review sucks big time! And not only the fact that it takes
around 3 secs for preview to appear on the LCD and the famous lack
of histogram in the preview. I dislike the Play mode as well, and
quite a bit so. First, there are two Info modes - 1 & 2. Mode 1 is
completely useless to me, except for the image number which should
be in the image information, anyway. Mode 2 is the real thing, but
requires button press and dial roll to switch between blinking
highlights, histogram and image info. Very disappointing, 10D had
all that on one screen. And, on top of that, you can zoom only in
the Mode 1. That's plain stupid! Also, once zoomed, you can't
switch to the next image, you have to zoom it out first. The result
is that I have to fiddle with Info button and command dial like a
maniac to see all the information I want just for the few images -
press Info, roll, roll again, Info, Info, roll to zoom, roll to
zoom out, next.. OK, it's 2 years old design, but it's worse than
the prehistoric Canon D30.
I'm glad that Olympus fixed the most of this stuff in E-500, but I
am disappointed they didn't do anything in firmware to at least
enable zooming in Info mode 2..
I am puzzled why I didn't find about this more at this forum,
usually comments stop at "no preview histogram".

It's overly complicated to delete the last shot. Needs 4 keypressing..
Focus points are not lit, harder to notice focus, especially after
disabling the annoying Beep tone. Also, it's harder to change AF
point and it could have had a few of them more too.
Flash EV compensation buried in the menu. I don't get this, why so?
Yes, FL-36 has it, but it's not close enough.
When moving through menus, going back one level should've been done
with Left arrow, not the Menu key, it'd be much more logical, to me
at least.
Somehow strap always gets on my way in the portrait mode.
I don't like the position of the EV comp. button, but I configured
back dial to serve for that, so it does not matter much.
RAW file size. OK, I am maybe overreacting, but as an engineer I am
insulted with 2.5MB of pure garbage in those files because they
even didn't perform the simple data packing.

Focusing is fast enough, 14-54 lens is really nicely built. Manual
focusing by-wire is much better than I thought it'd be, I actually
like it more and more. Viewfinder is excellent, so it's easy to
judge right focus, or to do MF.
Images are, just as I expected, excellent. Flash pictures are miles
ahead of 10D with 550EX. Both in exposure accuracy and in colour.
Images have just beautiful colour and tonality. Off course, I was
often tweaking my 10D images in post-processing to have the similar
look, but it took some time and wasn't always successful.
I have an impression (which complies with online tests) that 10D
had more resolving power. But that's in the optimal case - with
very good lens and with exact focus, and often one of this
parameters was missing. E-1 gives me good enough resolution for A4
images, I'm quite sure, we'll see about those 30x45cm prints later.
Exposure and focus accuracy is much better than what I had with
mine 10D, and that is really a big relieve.
Noise? OK, Let's talk about the noise. ISO 100 & 200 are clean, 400
is somewhat noisier than 10D, and 800 quite a bit more. But.. I
tried to clean some E-1 images quickly through Noise Image. E-1
images response better and easier to NI NR, probably due to lack of
stronger in-camera NR. Thanks to Adam-T for pointing out that
previously. I quickly created my own profiles form imaging-resource
examples (BIG public thanks to Dave Etchells) and just a quick pass
of E-1 ISO 800 images showed at least as good results as 10D ISO
800 images, also passed through NI, but with more effort used on
them. Haven't used ISO 1600 yet, I don't think I will, it seems
better to use underexposed ISO 800 shot.

I can't talk much about for now the sensor cleaning or weather
sealing, I didn't have a lot of problems with my Canons in both
area. Those two things actually had very little in my decision.

It's interesting that I didn't choose E-1 because of weather
sealing or embedded sensor cleaning, but because of ergonomics,
image quality, lenses and, above all, price.
Financially, more-less, I traded 10D, Sigma 18-125 and 50/1.8 for
E-1, 14-54 & FL-36. And I am sure I got much more for the same
amount of money. 10D sensor has more resolution capability, but it
requires more expensive lenses to use that potential. This Olympus
setup gives better results for me, so far.
If I could afford to purchase 17-40/4L, 60/2.8 macro, extra flash
and/or if I wasn't afraid of focusing problems with Sigma 18-50/2.8
it might have ended differently. But I couldn't...

Bottom line - after a first intensive day, I am quite satisfied
with my purchase so far and I have no regrets about leaving Canon
10D for this camera. I am still not as sure about KM 7D, though..
I'll see in time.

--
Greetings, Aleksandar
 
It's overly complicated to delete the last shot. Needs 4 keypressing..
Can be done in 3 (or 2 if you're already in play mode.) Check the manual... there's an option to set the default delete setting to yes so that all you need to do is press the 'trashcan' then 'ok'
 
Flash exposure compensation is the one item of frustration for me compared to when I was using a 10D, but really, I've found it not as necessary an item with the E-1 or I'd be complaining more. Unlike the 10D where I used it constantly, the E-1 doesn't seem to bias flash exposure as much towards the focus point as the Canon ETTL system does, but seems to take a more overall scene reading, which makes it a little more forgiving- just something I've noticed. Even so, pressing the combination of flash and exposure compensation buttons isn't something easily done while trying to keep your eye at the finder. My bet is the next new pro body will have either an easier button access or the ability to setup a workaround.
 
Yes most of the - truly few - issues with the E-1 concern the playback mode, and you have summed up these issues very well. One advice: I noticed that with a reasonably fast card, such as a Kingston Elite Pro, JPEGs are actually written to card faster than the "instant" preview appears. So I switched off the preview altogether, and instead, I go straight to playback mode once the red led stops blinking. With JPEGs anyway, this has become my routine.
Flash EV compensation buried in the menu. I don't get this, why so?
I too thought this was the case, until someone told me about a button combination that made entering the menu unnecessary. Simply rotate the main control wheel while holding down both the flash mode button and the + - button simultaneously. That routine is the same even if you have configured one of the control wheels to perform non-flash EVcomp in P, S and A modes without the + - button being held down (as I have). This is nice to know, albeit I tend to always dial in any flash EC on the FL-36 itself.
I have an impression (which complies with online tests) that 10D
had more resolving power.
This might be true, although I am quite impressed with the resolution I get from my raw files using RSE. The following is a 100% crop - not a resized full frame, but a 100% crop - of a shot I took with the 40-150mm lens, which is not even considered pro glass. And it was taken with the aperture wide open to boot. (Sorry for the tilted verticals, should have paid more attention when clicking the shutter.)


Noise? OK, Let's talk about the noise. ISO 100 & 200 are clean, 400
is somewhat noisier than 10D, and 800 quite a bit more.
While I think ISO 800 JPEGs from the E-1 are perfectly usable, you can get much cleaner results, ones that you do not even have to run NeatImage or NoiseNinja on, if you shoot raw at this - and higher - sensitivity settings, and use RSE for conversion. In this case, detail extraction is better set at -50, and the 'Apply sharpening' box on the 'Batch conversion' tab is better left un-checked.
 
well, left arrow works, even though it says you should use the menu
button.
Not everywhere, e.g. when you select the AEL button mode.
the e-1 shots are softer. dunno if you thought abou this, but less
sharpening can seem like less resolving power.
Yes, I know. Still falls short of 10D. But, as I said, in optimal situation wich does not happen too often (to me, at least). And it's not that big anyway.

--
Greetings, Aleksandar
 
Thanks for taking the time to give your thoughts. I was wondering,
since I'm on the fence myself between the E-1 and the KM 7D, what
you meant by your final sentence. Do you mean you previously had
the 7D, or are thinking of getting one, even though you have an E-1
now?
First, I got rid of 10D plus lenses.

Next, I tried to choose between E-1 and 7D. I liked E-1 handling much more (in-hand feeling), and Olympus lenses are much better suited and balanced. Trehe is only SIgma 18-50/2.8 that was worth considering in my case (big price/performance ratio) and I've read a lot of foucsing storries in KM forum. I was about to order from US, so I didn't want to worry a lot. In the meanwhile, 7D price dropped locally a lot as well.

7D has larger & brighter viewfinder and AS. AS is number one reason I really wanted 7D (or 5D). I do miss it. Quite a lot.

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Greetings, Aleksandar
 
The fact is that I wanted Olympus to spend less time post-processing.

I like to use RAW sometimes to maximise the shot quality, but seldom. I much more prefer to have an excellent JPG than a potentionally awesome RAW.

--
Greetings, Aleksandar
 
Can be done in 3 (or 2 if you're already in play mode.) Check the
Well, immidiately after the shot you have to press the button to enter the Play mode. That one counts.
manual... there's an option to set the default delete setting to
yes so that all you need to do is press the 'trashcan' then 'ok'
Where is that option? I remember Minolta A1 had that one, but couldn't find anywhere on E-1?

--
Greetings, Aleksandar
 
I too thought this was the case, until someone told me about a
button combination that made entering the menu unnecessary. Simply
rotate the main control wheel while holding down both the flash
mode button and the + - button simultaneously. That routine is the
same even if you have configured one of the control wheels to
perform non-flash EVcomp in P, S and A modes without the +
- button
being held down (as I have). This is nice to know, albeit I tend to
always dial in any flash EC on the FL-36 itself.
The one disadvantage about dialing the flash EC on the flash rather than the body is the flash EC isn't recorded in the EXIF information.
 
Image review sucks big time! And not only the fact that it takes
around 3 secs for preview to appear on the LCD and the famous lack
of histogram in the preview.
Since I came to the E1 from an E20, I really don't notice this lag. The histogram is a very quick 2-button operation, too. Play mode, then Info. In practice, I just check the first one or two images, then keep firing away. For me, it's a whole lot easier to "worry" about the images once I view them on the computer & eats less battery juice, too.

Happy shooting,
HS
 
Hi Henry,
Since I came to the E1 from an E20, I really don't notice this lag.
The histogram is a very quick 2-button operation, too. Play mode,
then Info. In practice, I just check the first one or two images,
then keep firing away. For me, it's a whole lot easier to "worry"
about the images once I view them on the computer & eats less
battery juice, too.
Well, I am used to have a quick histogram shown automatically after each shot. True, it was more necessary with 10D, but EV compensation, sometimes heavy, is often required.

And after severe over- or underexposure it's too late to worry about aside my PC. That's why I like to check up my images on the spot, while I still have choice to shoot them again.

--
Greetings, Aleksandar
 
manual... there's an option to set the default delete setting to
yes so that all you need to do is press the 'trashcan' then 'ok'
Where is that option? I remember Minolta A1 had that one, but
couldn't find anywhere on E-1?
Before I got my E-1, I read the manual and wrote down which settings I wanted to change. One of them was this option. Even before using the E-1, I knew I didn't want it defaulting to "no". Go to the "Tools 1" menu, select ERASE SETTING, and change it to YES.

By the way, I agree with the exposure compensation button, and I also mapped it to a dial (the front one), but I find myself often accidentally changing it while carrying the camera around. The other thing I find myself doing a lot is hitting the custom white balance button, but I'm starting to be aware enough of that one to stop doing it.
 
Can be done in 3 (or 2 if you're already in play mode.) Check the
Well, immidiately after the shot you have to press the button to
enter the Play mode. That one counts.
manual... there's an option to set the default delete setting to
yes so that all you need to do is press the 'trashcan' then 'ok'
Where is that option? I remember Minolta A1 had that one, but
couldn't find anywhere on E-1?
Ah.. it's a firmware 1.1 feature.

It's under the Config 1 menu as 'Erase Setting' - set that to yes and you'll have one less button press.
 

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