Contemplating a jump to Nikon

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OK, I currently have a 20D, that I purchased in March. When I bought it I was desperately hoping Nikon would come out with something at PMA last year that would beat the 20D, but alas, nothing. So, I jumped on the 20D bandwagon, because I felt, and I still feel that the 20D was/is better than the D70. And at the time I was confident going with Canon. Now that I have had some experience with Canon (I used to shoot film with Nikon) I really don't like the feel and the shooting "experience" when working with a Canon DSLR. So now I am consideing a jump to the D200. Sure the 20D does 90% of everything I need it to do, but I like working with Nikon equipment better. I don't have many lenses so leaving Canon wouldn't be the issue, the only issue for me is that I want to get more lenses and I don't want to start buying anymore until I decide on which camp I want to be in. I might be in the minority since I see more people jump to Canon from Nikon, but I am leaning the other way. I know this is the Nikon forum, but I was hoping to get some insight on either sticking with the 20D or jumping to the D200 based on what I have stated above.
 
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I just liked your nickname. Good luck with your choice - C and N are both awesome.
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I would suggest you get more specific regarding your specific needs. Are you earning money with your camera or is this just a hobby for fun? What specific features do you like, don't like? What type of pgotography do you do?

We don't need to hear all your waffelling back and forth, "Just the Facts", please.
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What do you expect to hear here? That D200 is better than 20D? Here it is "D200 will be better than 20D" :).

If you want always latest and greatest camera with noise free images at ISO 12800 you should stay with Canon.

A year ago after VERY carefull research D70 won for me over 20D in both image quality and the ergonomics. When I saw it is also cheaper, my decision became easy :).

You still want to hear my advise?

nik1024
 
Well, if I were you, I'll try to give 20D more chances, especially trying to adapt to its ergonomics. Only after as much efforts (and fail) would I consider jumping. Being a tool, 20D can provide images with extremely high quality. If you can live with the way it's used, it's likely a safer choice to stay with Canon.

Me, I jumped from 300D back to Nikon camp (shot films with Nikon too) with D70 and after 20mo. I'm 100% confident it's the right move. But that was then. Had I jumped into digital when 20D was available, I might not change.

For what I see, there's slightly more risks staying with Nikon due to less assurance of their future sensor performance and supply as they don't own their own sensor manufacturing. However, with other benefits such as good supply of good AI lenses and D200's ability to work with them, the risk can be very worthwhile. And tell you what... once a while I see the screen display or printed images from D70, everything felt justified.

Be your own judge. I'm sure in the hands of able shooters, 20D can provide images as good or better than D70's.

Good luck!

Photobug
OK, I currently have a 20D, that I purchased in March. When I
bought it I was desperately hoping Nikon would come out with
something at PMA last year that would beat the 20D, but alas,
nothing. So, I jumped on the 20D bandwagon, because I felt, and I
still feel that the 20D was/is better than the D70. And at the
time I was confident going with Canon. Now that I have had some
experience with Canon (I used to shoot film with Nikon) I really
don't like the feel and the shooting "experience" when working with
a Canon DSLR. So now I am consideing a jump to the D200. Sure the
20D does 90% of everything I need it to do, but I like working with
Nikon equipment better. I don't have many lenses so leaving Canon
wouldn't be the issue, the only issue for me is that I want to get
more lenses and I don't want to start buying anymore until I decide
on which camp I want to be in. I might be in the minority since I
see more people jump to Canon from Nikon, but I am leaning the
other way. I know this is the Nikon forum, but I was hoping to get
some insight on either sticking with the 20D or jumping to the D200
based on what I have stated above.
 
I know it's waffeling, sorry.

I don't know, I can't really put my finger on it. I just like the feel of Nikon equipment better, the ease of selecting options, etc....either one will do I suppose....but one thing that has bugged me about Canon is the autofocus and flash exposure. I have already had to send in my 20D to get the AF fixed.

No, I don't make much money with this, it is mostly enthusiast stuff. I shoot portraits and some landscapes mostly. Some sports (kids and stuff).
 
No, that is one thing that bugs me about Canon....the constant realease of new equipment. I kinda like the way Nikon only releases cameras every few years.
 
OK, I currently have a 20D, that I purchased in March. When I
bought it I was desperately hoping Nikon would come out with
something at PMA last year that would beat the 20D, but alas,
nothing. So, I jumped on the 20D bandwagon, because I felt, and I
still feel that the 20D was/is better than the D70. And at the
time I was confident going with Canon. Now that I have had some
experience with Canon (I used to shoot film with Nikon) I really
don't like the feel and the shooting "experience" when working with
a Canon DSLR. So now I am consideing a jump to the D200. Sure the
20D does 90% of everything I need it to do, but I like working with
Nikon equipment better. I don't have many lenses so leaving Canon
wouldn't be the issue, the only issue for me is that I want to get
more lenses and I don't want to start buying anymore until I decide
on which camp I want to be in. I might be in the minority since I
see more people jump to Canon from Nikon, but I am leaning the
other way. I know this is the Nikon forum, but I was hoping to get
some insight on either sticking with the 20D or jumping to the D200
based on what I have stated above.
 
You might wait until Canon replaces the 20D just to see what they come up with. Although Canon probably will not change the general feel of the camera and the way you interact. I'm sure most Canon shooters would not like a radical departure from that. So if it is you don't like the interface, then maybe a change is in order. The 20D didn't exist when I bought my D70. A friend bought one later and it seems like a nicer camera. It has a more professonal feel to it, faster reaction and a better viewfinder. I still would not get one over the D70 just because you need to go into the menus too often. And the power button is in an awkward location. I can turn on the D70 one handed without even thinking, no chance of dropping it. In fact I will probably upgrade to the D200 solely because I don't like going into the menu to change between single/continious focus. Everything else will just be iceing on the cake. The interface means a lot to me. If I have to fumble with the camera, then I feel like I have a P & S. The only thing that bums me out about the D200 is the remote control and MLU implementation. That cheap little IR remote of the D70 is sweet. Why they didn't add that is beyond me. And if you have to touch the camera to activate the MLU, it kind of defeats the purpose. Oh, maybe thats why they charge so much for the remote.
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I know it's waffeling, sorry.

I don't know, I can't really put my finger on it. I just like the
feel of Nikon equipment better, the ease of selecting options,
etc....either one will do I suppose....but one thing that has
bugged me about Canon is the autofocus and flash exposure. I have
already had to send in my 20D to get the AF fixed.

No, I don't make much money with this, it is mostly enthusiast
stuff. I shoot portraits and some landscapes mostly. Some sports
(kids and stuff).
It's okay to waffle unless you're a politician. You can always abandon a position in favor of a stronger position (paraphrasing Socrates, I believe). I have some of Canon and Nikon's top equipment, and I far prefer the feel of the Nikon. it's just a personal thing, and you shouldn't feel that you need to justify it to anyone but yourself.

Larry
 
Cappin,

To me the user interface is very important. Frankly I will enjoy the improved high ISO features of the D200, the ability to shoot raw and higher quality jpegs, the grip (if I want it), The 2.5" LCD, the new improved button layout on top, the extra megapixels (So friends with 8 MP point and shoot will say hey thats even better than my Sony 828) etc.

If I am comfortable with the way a camera functions It becomes more invisible in my workflo. I very much enjoy the Nikon body design, I know you will also.

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Funny, you'd think people here would strongly encourage you into the Nikon camp, but I guess we (Nikonians) aren't into the "hard sell." The questions people are asking you such as "what are you missing with Canon?" etc. are fair questions - and only you know.

My background is that I started back when the F90 was a popular film camera. Somehow I talked myself into a full Canon film system. I felt at the time that the Canon film body user interface made more sense and I had an impression that Canon was technologically more resourceful as a company. So I wound up with a Canon body and some USM lenses. After a while I found the user interface thing was less interesting to me than the look and feel of the photos. Increasingly, I developed the opinion that the camera/lens system of each manufacturer produced a certain "house look and feel". In my opinion, the Canon house look and feel was good, but different than the house look and feel that Nikon produced. All this was in the film realm. From there I began to wish that I had gone for what I considered to be, in my own subjective world, a more "accurate and realistic" photo IQ that Nikon's film system produced - but I was stuck with the investment in the Canon body, a flash, 3 USM lenses, and various accessories. So, I just lived with the Canon, while wishing that I'd had chosen Nikon.

When the first DLSRs came out I figured it was pretty economically clear that I needed to stick with Canon; but when I tried their DSLR body, I didn't like their user interface (I think they probably hadn't quite refined the early DSLR user interface as well as they had their film body interface or as well as they have refined their newer DSLR interfaces.) But what really had me in a quandry was that despite the fact that you can theoretically make a digital photo look however you want (WB, etc, etc, etc.), the house look and feel of the Canon digital images looked just like the Canon film images - and by that time I was sure I had a preference for the Nikon house image look and feel. Well, I bit the bullet and sold the whole Canon system on eBay; it was a bit of a loss, but I had kept my gear in perfect condition and I did ok - and I was free to move to Nikon.

I started over with Nikon glass and a D100. I found the user interface to be satisfactory, the camera to be just a tad slow in response, but ok - and mostly what I got that I had been seeking for several years was the Nikon image look and feel. I just prefer it. Having said that, I'm sure I could be stumped if you just put a pile of photos in front of me and said - "sort the Nikon photos from the Canon photos". But there is nonetheless (in my opinion), something about the out of the camera image look and feel of Nikon photos that I find more desirable - I can't express it well, and I certainly can't define it or specify it, but I just know what I like. And there is something about the equipment itself that causes me to favor Nikon (not for all products or all features, but on balance). This is not a knock on Canon - it's a great company with lots of great products.

Long story short, there is something personal about photography and photography equipment and when you are comfortable and happy with your gear you can start to get past the gear and focus more on how to capture photos that move you and the people you photograph and the other people who view the photos.

So, I say: Hey, come on over to Nikon - I'm happy I'm here, I can very much believe you will be happy to be here, and I think the more users we have the better Nikon will do and the more Nikon will be able to do what they do well - which is to serve the intersection between what you can measure and what you can feel.

Happy DP,

Yada
 
Hi Zowie.

IMHO you have answered your own Question. You prefer the feel, handling etc of Nikon cameras.

Both Nikon and Canon produce excellent results, so go with the Nikon. Each manufacturer seems to jump each other eveyr 12 months or so.
Get Good glass and stay with one manufacturer.

Dave
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I cant fault you on this one....its the reason I buy Nikon as well.

I can shoot with ANY camera....give me a few weeks to find its weeknesses and stregnths....and I can be reproducing my type of photography in short order.

But a camera you dont feel comfortable using......a camera that gets in the way of the photographic process....is an unnessassary hurdle.

If you wrote that Canon ergonomics was your favorite...and you had Nikon....I would advise you to go with Canon.

But do your research......find what you want...and stick with it...because changing brands gets expensive.....heck even changing cameras WITHIN brands can be expensive (just ask anyone who upgraded from a D70 to a D2X)

Good luck whichever way you go.

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Yada,

Thanks for stating what I feel.
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Regards,

Jeff Morris / Homecinemaman

Adams, Gutmann, Steichen, Stigletz, Weston. they lead by example.
 
Wow! Thanks for all the insight. I am hesitating not because I feel that Canon will come out with something great soon (they probably will), but because of the expense to unload the 20D and purchase the D200....that's all.

You have all been most helpful and a "voice of reason", I needed that. I am still undecided, but if I make the switch, you will all be among the first to know. Perhaps I'll hang on to the 20D for a while and hold off on buying any lenses...then make the switch when the D200 drops a bit in price...of course my 20D isn't going to retain it's value forever either. Decisions, decisions.....

Thanks again.
 

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