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FZ30 available light (without flash) close-ups?
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John_Reed
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This one's of me, singing on stage under stage lighting, ISO 200, 1/20 sec shutterspeed, no flash:
EXIF: http://John-Reed.smugmug.com/photos/newexif.mg?ImageID=41141986
Have printed 8X10 of this one with no NR, looked sharp.
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EXIF: http://John-Reed.smugmug.com/photos/newexif.mg?ImageID=41141986
Have printed 8X10 of this one with no NR, looked sharp.
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Phil Douglis
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This was shot inside of a market in Mexico at full tele length with the FZ-30. The light source was an open doorway off to one side, enabling me to shoot it at 1/250th of second at f/5.6 at ISO 80.
http://www.pbase.com/pnd1/image/52105944
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Phil Douglis
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http://www.funkytraveller.com/Pages/travelogues/travelphotophild.htm
http://www.pbase.com/pnd1/image/52105944
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Phil Douglis
Director, The Douglis Visual Workshops
Phoenix, Arizona
[email protected]
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John_Reed
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It will only help on the side of the shooter, for camera shake during shutter open time. If your subject is moving, as in an indoor basketball game, hockey game, etc., 1/20 of a second won't freeze the action; you'd need 10X faster shutterspeed to do that. This would imply that you need higher ISO capability, of the sort only truly available through dSLR setups, with their concommitant higher cost and weight.
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This was at full telephoto and we were very near the back of the theatre.
Others can be seen in the Branson gallery at http://arlenet.smugmug.com/
Arlene
Others can be seen in the Branson gallery at http://arlenet.smugmug.com/
Arlene
B. Char,
The pic you posted of the cello player in your earlier post:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1033&message=15957702
is of a little different character than the examples you will get. You obviously have family/friends in these concerts and they are not in the spotlight. These pictures are more than double the difficulty factor than the examples you will get. Most people here are taking pictures of the main subject which , on stage, is in some kind of a spotlight. That kind of lighting is often 2 or 4 times brighter than what the sidemen sit in, like your cello player. As John Reed said, the OIS will not solve motion problems on stage, for example the hands of the cello player. Very often, hands will be blurred on these shots, so you need to take a lot of pics and throw 3 out of every 5 away because of body motion. (I keep a lot of those , though).
Most of the time, your shutter speed will be 1/15th and slower for these kind of pictures. If you are willing to accept the high failure rate, then you won´t need to go the DSLR route.
Speaking of DSLRs...2 weeks ago had borrowed a DSLR from a photographer at a jam session I go to. I was taking some pictures of my friend playing piano. I noticed the shutter noise myself, but unfortunately, he notice, too and jumped as I took a picture. He politely told me later to be careful with that noise. I can´t imagine taking these kind of pictures with a DSLR because of that DSLR shutter noise. The 3 different superzoom cams I´ve used in these situations were all silent. I was a bit shocked at the DSLR noise,,,,,, and the weight.
If I had DSLR I wouldn´t be able to take pictures during soft ballads. I could imagine, you would also have problems with classical music and the DSLR noise, especially with the audience members nearby.
Guy Moscoso
The pic you posted of the cello player in your earlier post:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1033&message=15957702
is of a little different character than the examples you will get. You obviously have family/friends in these concerts and they are not in the spotlight. These pictures are more than double the difficulty factor than the examples you will get. Most people here are taking pictures of the main subject which , on stage, is in some kind of a spotlight. That kind of lighting is often 2 or 4 times brighter than what the sidemen sit in, like your cello player. As John Reed said, the OIS will not solve motion problems on stage, for example the hands of the cello player. Very often, hands will be blurred on these shots, so you need to take a lot of pics and throw 3 out of every 5 away because of body motion. (I keep a lot of those , though).
Most of the time, your shutter speed will be 1/15th and slower for these kind of pictures. If you are willing to accept the high failure rate, then you won´t need to go the DSLR route.
Speaking of DSLRs...2 weeks ago had borrowed a DSLR from a photographer at a jam session I go to. I was taking some pictures of my friend playing piano. I noticed the shutter noise myself, but unfortunately, he notice, too and jumped as I took a picture. He politely told me later to be careful with that noise. I can´t imagine taking these kind of pictures with a DSLR because of that DSLR shutter noise. The 3 different superzoom cams I´ve used in these situations were all silent. I was a bit shocked at the DSLR noise,,,,,, and the weight.
If I had DSLR I wouldn´t be able to take pictures during soft ballads. I could imagine, you would also have problems with classical music and the DSLR noise, especially with the audience members nearby.
Guy Moscoso
Guy,
When all lighting situations are
equal, I am wondering if the FZ30 can do the job as well as my FZ10 in
concert settings. I've actually had very good luck
from the balcony with my FZ10
(and auto-focus). But I'd like to move up
the Panasonic food chain because the EVF of the FZ10 is
borderline terrible. I usually compose the ants and wait for the green ball.
Maybe that is a bit exaggerated, but you get the idea?
It would be nice to actually see my subject in the viewfinder.
Also, the extra cropping power of 8 MP would be very great, as it is, in
a sense, like having more zoom when you consider cropped pics would
be of a higher resolution than crop from a 4MP pic. But if the 30 can't do the
job as well as the 10 due to the slower lens, it would be sad to "upgrade."
However, some of the concert photos and indoor portriats people posted here
have been very encouraging, and I am thinking maybe I could take one
out for a test drive from Kit's to see if it can do the job.
Thanks for all your thoughts!
B. Char
FZ10: taken with 2.8 at 1/20 at 100 ISO
FZ10:
Taken with 2.8 at 1/10 at (100 ISO)
When all lighting situations are
equal, I am wondering if the FZ30 can do the job as well as my FZ10 in
concert settings. I've actually had very good luck
from the balcony with my FZ10
(and auto-focus). But I'd like to move up
the Panasonic food chain because the EVF of the FZ10 is
borderline terrible. I usually compose the ants and wait for the green ball.
Maybe that is a bit exaggerated, but you get the idea?
It would be nice to actually see my subject in the viewfinder.
Also, the extra cropping power of 8 MP would be very great, as it is, in
a sense, like having more zoom when you consider cropped pics would
be of a higher resolution than crop from a 4MP pic. But if the 30 can't do the
job as well as the 10 due to the slower lens, it would be sad to "upgrade."
However, some of the concert photos and indoor portriats people posted here
have been very encouraging, and I am thinking maybe I could take one
out for a test drive from Kit's to see if it can do the job.
Thanks for all your thoughts!
B. Char
FZ10: taken with 2.8 at 1/20 at 100 ISO
FZ10:
Taken with 2.8 at 1/10 at (100 ISO)
John_Reed
Forum Pro
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EffZeeOneVeeTwo, EffZeeThirty
Not one to duck an issue, but occasionally may issue a duck or two?
EffZeeOneVeeTwo, EffZeeThirty
John Henry C
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GREAT shots all. Phil, how lucky to live in San Miguel.
genece
Forum Pro
And I never liked the way it performed in low light, most likely had a lot to do with my limited knowledge.
I really feel the FZ30 does better,at least it does for me.
As someone here said its a smarter camera.
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Gene
From Western PA.
Panasonic FZ-10 and FZ 20 and FZ30
B300
T Con 17 --two Tcon 14Bs -- Raynox 2020 pro -- DCR 6600
http://imageevent.com/grc6/toshareonnet
Just trying to learn and it's slow going!
I really feel the FZ30 does better,at least it does for me.
As someone here said its a smarter camera.
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Gene
From Western PA.
Panasonic FZ-10 and FZ 20 and FZ30
B300
T Con 17 --two Tcon 14Bs -- Raynox 2020 pro -- DCR 6600
http://imageevent.com/grc6/toshareonnet
Just trying to learn and it's slow going!
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