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I was at a concert in kansas city, I brought my 20d with me. First let me say that I have been to more than 100 concerts with my camera. I asked before I went in, if I would have any problems with taking my camera in to the show. In fact I asked 2 people if I would have any problems, both said ok. I then went to the show and started shooting. 3/4 of the way thru the show I get tapped on the shoulder and they take my cf card. There were nothing posted about no photography. they said I would get it back. I find out today that it has been destroyed. do I have a legal leg to stand on? i am furious but can I do anything? has anyone else ran into this?

Please let me know
 
Of course. They have no right to destroy your private property.

I've heard that it's basically OK to take photographs anywhere where there is no entry fee, unless specifically stated otherwise. So if there was no entry fee to this concert you might be able to pin robbery on them too. =)
 
Sorry to hear that. I'm just thinking for future similar encounters, should one load a small capacity 2nd card into the other slot, just in case? Of course provided the camera has dual card slots and you are not using it for copying or backups.

And would the average security guy know if you have handled him a decoy? Maybe also fill it with some images of the event if they demand playback. It's sneaky I know but if you have to have those images, it could save the day. Or maybe not.
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In New York, you can sue in Small Claims court for $2000

I'm sure other states have upped the small claims court too. It's a simple quick process.

And while $2000 is not a fortune - it will make them think.

Dave
 
Did you get a receipt for your card? How can you prove they took it from you?

At this point, all you can do is to demand that they replace the card.

As far as images go, unless you get something IN WRITING then the standard policy at concerts is that images belong to the artists/venue, not the photographer. Look at the back of your ticket; usually there is a blurb on it concerning photography and what you can and cannot do.

Regardless, the CF card was your property even if the images on it weren't. They had no right to destroy it, and are required to replace it. Unfortunately for you, if they refuse you will have to get a lawyer involved and that will cost you many times more than the cost of the CF card... which they undoubtedly know.
 
is that you DON'T need a lawyer. You can represent yourself, just like on Judge Judy
 
jstuts22660-

If your property is taken from you, you need to file a police report immediately-at the location and identify the people who took your property. This will get the attention of the venue manager and you could have worked out this situation properly.

-Scott
jstuts22660 said:
I was at a concert in kansas city, I brought my 20d with me. First
let me say that I have been to more than 100 concerts with my
camera. I asked before I went in, if I would have any problems with
taking my camera in to the show. In fact I asked 2 people if I
would have any problems, both said ok. I then went to the show and
started shooting. 3/4 of the way thru the show I get tapped on the
shoulder and they take my cf card. There were nothing posted about
no photography. they said I would get it back. I find out today
that it has been destroyed. do I have a legal leg to stand on? i am
furious but can I do anything? has anyone else ran into this?

Please let me know
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pegasus1457 said:
is that you DON'T need a lawyer. You can represent yourself, just
like on Judge Judy
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In New York, up until ten years ago, there was a $50 max - Finally they recognised inflation and raised it to $2000. The Judge is usually quite helpful in explaining what the plaintiff (or the defendant have to do/. Nor do you have to wait years.

Dave
 
PalmsWestPhoto said:
What would be $2000 claim be based on ?

Me thinks all you can sue for is the actual damage plus any cost
associated with the court case and such but not an arbitrary amount.
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If youre-read my post I explained that the old limit was $50, now raised to $2000.

Meaning that you can sue for up to 2k without the nightmare of a civil court trial.

In this posters case I would think he should go for the 2k. $100 for the card and $1900 for the images. But whatever I think is unimportant. It's a readily available resource made for case like this.

Dave
PalmsWestPhoto said:
Michael Salzlechner
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you can always ASK for $2k. no legal limit on ASKING ;)

what you GET is quite another thing. but go in there asking the full amount. you'd be a fool not to. if you make your case well enough, you could do very well (and teach them a lesson, which is also quite important).
PalmsWestPhoto said:
What would be $2000 claim be based on ?

Me thinks all you can sue for is the actual damage plus any cost
associated with the court case and such but not an arbitrary amount.
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You're best bet might be to have a quick chat with a local lawyer - have all the details available - like who "took" it (as in were they guards, ushers, "Event Staff" or whatever), when, where (as NY small claims sounds more than a little irrelevant), what kind of event, your stub, what they said, who you later spoke to, etc. Be able to explain why you gave them the card.

I'd also suggest filing a claim with the venue for the loss of the card. It's likely, if a city or other government locale, you'll need to file a claim prior to being able to proceed with a suit of any sort.
 
jstuts22660 said:
3/4 of the way thru the show I get tapped on the
shoulder and they take my cf card. There were nothing posted about
no photography. they said I would get it back. I find out today
that it has been destroyed. do I have a legal leg to stand on? i am
furious but can I do anything? has anyone else ran into this?

Please let me know
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http://www.krages.com/ThePhotographersRight.pdf

1st page, 4th column ;-)

Apparently, theft, coercion, and conversion...
 
i reread your post

i will quote
Chato said:
And while $2000 is not a fortune - it will make them think.
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So you ARE asking for $2000 without reason

i dont think you can ask for money for the images as probably per agreement with the venue the OP agreed not to take photos or at least that all photos taken at the venue belong to the venue. This is something that is done pretty much at all events like this

the card obviously was his property and should be replaced

If it was me they wouldnt have the card in the first place as i wouldnt give it up

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PalmsWestPhoto said:
i will quote
PalmsWestPhoto said:
And while $2000 is not a fortune - it will make them think.
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That is of course NOT the full quote, nor for that matter is it in context...

"In New York, you can sue in Small Claims court for $2000

I'm sure other states have upped the small claims court too. It's a simple quick process.
And while $2000 is not a fortune - it will make them think."

The above is the Full Quote.
PalmsWestPhoto said:
So you ARE asking for $2000 without reason

i dont think you can ask for money for the images as probably per
agreement with the venue the OP agreed not to take photos or at
least that all photos taken at the venue belong to the venue. This
is something that is done pretty much at all events like this
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Is this not disputable? The author states that there were no signs. The suthor states that he Asked before going in. Sounds to me like he has a case. And if the Court disgree's, they will simply disallow the money over cost of the card. Personally I think this is outrageous.
PalmsWestPhoto said:
the card obviously was his property and should be replaced

If it was me they wouldnt have the card in the first place as i
wouldnt give it up
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So you would have preseumably beat the tar out of the security guards? Not that I would blame you per-se - But that could result in quite a bit of a hassle, especially if the whole bunch claim you attacked them.

Dave
PalmsWestPhoto said:
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...just what I was thinking. 1st mistake was even giving it to them.
Wheres your principle? There an old saying ( I will give up my guns
when they pry it from my cold dead fingers.) Now replace gun with
memory card. Oh, yeh I would have created a big seen, exspecially
after they told you it was ok to take pics. Sorry dude, this just boils
my blood when I hear storys like this.
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Keith Lawrence
Perryville,Mo. USA

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Some of these security companies will beat the tar out of you, and then have YOU arrested for assault!

Dave
keithallenlaw said:
...just what I was thinking. 1st mistake was even giving it to them.
Wheres your principle? There an old saying ( I will give up my guns
when they pry it from my cold dead fingers.) Now replace gun with
memory card. Oh, yeh I would have created a big seen, exspecially
after they told you it was ok to take pics. Sorry dude, this just
boils
my blood when I hear storys like this.
--
Keith Lawrence
Perryville,Mo. USA

http://www.pbase.com/keithallenlaw

Canon Powershot S2
Olympus Stylus Epic Zoom 115 (film)
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