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I give up...this forum is gettting retarted...
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That is exactly my point when I said try this place out: http://www.my4thirds.com
If the owner of this site is unwilling to split the forums, then we can go elsewhere. I would still check here for stuff, but with detailed discussion, I would use the site I mentioned.
If the owner of this site is unwilling to split the forums, then we can go elsewhere. I would still check here for stuff, but with detailed discussion, I would use the site I mentioned.
correct spelling is retarded
definition = 1 : to slow up especially by preventing or hindering advance or accomplishment : IMPEDE
2 : to delay academic progress by failure to promote
intransitive senses : to undergo retardation
by definition, i guess you have a point about all the retarded messages=) but being a new owner of oly dSLR, Im glad to see so much activity here...
it must mean olympus is selling cameras and hopefully making them profitable...
eventually these retards will become people like u or they will leave =)
definition = 1 : to slow up especially by preventing or hindering advance or accomplishment : IMPEDE
2 : to delay academic progress by failure to promote
intransitive senses : to undergo retardation
by definition, i guess you have a point about all the retarded messages=) but being a new owner of oly dSLR, Im glad to see so much activity here...
it must mean olympus is selling cameras and hopefully making them profitable...
eventually these retards will become people like u or they will leave =)
RNCJr
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Anthony Cheh
Senior Member
Hi Mike:
In addition to the points made by Jens and OzRay, I think some of the newer participants in this forum don't know the history and quality of your contributions here.
Some of us "old timers" remember when this was a fairly quiet and civil place, where almost everyone was CONSCIENTIOUS about our participation here. That quality made this forum a very special place. It included making personal efforts to learn more about our common love - photography - and thinking before we posted on this forum.
Even the humour, arguments, and trolling (remember Norman Day/OM Fan?) were well thought out : ) They still are compared to the other forums. But something has been lost too.
It does seem that instant gratification is increasingly becoming the order of the day - everywhere. People bring less to the forums and take more, which ultimately makes the experience less satisfactory to everyone.
Mike, you, Ben Hermann, Terdonal, OzRay, Big Ga, Jono Slack, Bill Turner, and many others, always gave much more than you took. I'm sorry that some of the newer people here weren't aware of that.
I believe we all can agree that this forum is only as good as we make it, and that reflexive feeding is never going to be as good as making the effort to contribute to our common interests.
Mike, you're appreciated by many. You've earned it over years.
Regards,
Tony
In addition to the points made by Jens and OzRay, I think some of the newer participants in this forum don't know the history and quality of your contributions here.
Some of us "old timers" remember when this was a fairly quiet and civil place, where almost everyone was CONSCIENTIOUS about our participation here. That quality made this forum a very special place. It included making personal efforts to learn more about our common love - photography - and thinking before we posted on this forum.
Even the humour, arguments, and trolling (remember Norman Day/OM Fan?) were well thought out : ) They still are compared to the other forums. But something has been lost too.
It does seem that instant gratification is increasingly becoming the order of the day - everywhere. People bring less to the forums and take more, which ultimately makes the experience less satisfactory to everyone.
Mike, you, Ben Hermann, Terdonal, OzRay, Big Ga, Jono Slack, Bill Turner, and many others, always gave much more than you took. I'm sorry that some of the newer people here weren't aware of that.
I believe we all can agree that this forum is only as good as we make it, and that reflexive feeding is never going to be as good as making the effort to contribute to our common interests.
Mike, you're appreciated by many. You've earned it over years.
Regards,
Tony
Ben Herrmann
Forum Pro
Look at some of the "whiners" and perhaps negative postings as akin to the wonderful, highly dynamic Olympus tonality that we've come to love. If the forum was boring (whether in a positive or negative sense), then the tonality would be reflective of perhaps...the Canon (just kidding of course). So I guess when you liken the behavior here (even though I believe it's temporary) to certain features of the Olympus line of cameras...well, one comes to conclusion that reality indeed mirrors camera performance (geezzz, did that even make sense).
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rob kerfoot
Senior Member
i think most of the folks here are taking this way to personally, mike did not mean to insult any noobs, or make an elitist comment.
This forum has been pagued with the "should i buy an oly or rebel, which is better, this or that" (you are in an olympus forum, so the opinion is biased)...hell, you can reasearch camera ratings and user reviews anywhere on the net. Few posts are actually usefull posts these days. the trolls are out from under the bridges and the grandstanders are on the soapboxes. This forum, when i first enrolled in 2001, was active, you would actually see a post that was on the front page for more than 4hrs, and most were very meaningful posts we could all learn from, and have a decent discussion. It seems everyone has forgotten the search button actually works here, as we see several posts of the same questions over and over and over and over. I agree with Mike, most new DSLR owners have never owned an SLR, so they do not know the short comings and complexities. I myself started on a film camera and read books and learned about PHOTOGRAPHY. I bet if Ansel Adams was given a Pentax K1000, his images would have been as brilliant, and that is because he had the basics down. My advise to the noobs, learn your craft and then learn your camera, then post some intelligent questions. enough of "my camera sucks because" and "my camera" this and that, it is getting old and stale.
The forum should be split, i agree with this. This was brought up a year or 2 back, and nothing was done. The time has come. Some say that we were all noobs at one point, while this is true, some of us had prior experience with cameras and understood the basics (sorry, i can't stress this enough). I am not trying to be an elitist, and if i come across this way, i do apologize. For some of us long timers, it can be as frustrating as it is for the newbies.
Mike, thanks for this as this has been on my mind for a while as well, glad you had the stones to bring it up. This is a great community, but let's do some research BEFORE posting, as most of the things being talked about these days is actually, old news. To all you old members, thanks for the fun, and the knowledge i have gained. i know i will get flamed for my comments, but this has been a long time coming...
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This forum has been pagued with the "should i buy an oly or rebel, which is better, this or that" (you are in an olympus forum, so the opinion is biased)...hell, you can reasearch camera ratings and user reviews anywhere on the net. Few posts are actually usefull posts these days. the trolls are out from under the bridges and the grandstanders are on the soapboxes. This forum, when i first enrolled in 2001, was active, you would actually see a post that was on the front page for more than 4hrs, and most were very meaningful posts we could all learn from, and have a decent discussion. It seems everyone has forgotten the search button actually works here, as we see several posts of the same questions over and over and over and over. I agree with Mike, most new DSLR owners have never owned an SLR, so they do not know the short comings and complexities. I myself started on a film camera and read books and learned about PHOTOGRAPHY. I bet if Ansel Adams was given a Pentax K1000, his images would have been as brilliant, and that is because he had the basics down. My advise to the noobs, learn your craft and then learn your camera, then post some intelligent questions. enough of "my camera sucks because" and "my camera" this and that, it is getting old and stale.
The forum should be split, i agree with this. This was brought up a year or 2 back, and nothing was done. The time has come. Some say that we were all noobs at one point, while this is true, some of us had prior experience with cameras and understood the basics (sorry, i can't stress this enough). I am not trying to be an elitist, and if i come across this way, i do apologize. For some of us long timers, it can be as frustrating as it is for the newbies.
Mike, thanks for this as this has been on my mind for a while as well, glad you had the stones to bring it up. This is a great community, but let's do some research BEFORE posting, as most of the things being talked about these days is actually, old news. To all you old members, thanks for the fun, and the knowledge i have gained. i know i will get flamed for my comments, but this has been a long time coming...
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Paul H46473
Leading Member
What really gets me is a poster having pretensions of starting a serious discussion, but then he or she immediately begins with sentence like this one:
"Re: I give up...this forum is gettting retarted..."
"Retarted"? Do you imply that too many tarts were posting here, but they subsequently went away and are now coming back? Heavens! Is the group awash in hookers, then?
Of course, I'm not serious and know well enough you meant to type "retarded". However, my point is that it's very easy to find things which rankle and annoy, then complain about them. Try doing a little mental editing on the subject lines of posted articles, reading only those which are at or above your own level of expertise.
Leave the so-called newbies to their own devices if they bother you so much--it's easier on the nerves, yours and everyone else's. I don't think splitting the forum will help because people will continue to post in the forum from which they think they're likely to get answers and many newcomers to digital and dSLR's don't even know the questions they ask are considered dumb by the experts. You don't know what you don't know, after all.
Instead of splitting the forum, folks should be really, really encouraged to check the archives before posting a question! Maybe someone should, as is the case with many moderated usenet newsgroups, post a FAQ once a month or so for newcomers to peruse, or maybe the FAQ should be the first listed "new" message every day.
And perhaps digital camera makers could help out the cause by removing hokey "scene modes" and full-auto modes from future models of their dSLR's. I've never understood why such so-called "features" are put on advanced cameras, anyway: Aperture priority is about as auto as most serious photographers I know get.
Kanji126598
Senior Member
by camera owned,by best picture taker,by forum senority,who has got the most POTD,who owns the most and highest priced equipment,or all of the above? The Nikon and Canon forums are split by camera models,but they produce many more "upper level" cameras than does Oly which as you know,produces only one. But judging by all the members who are irritated by all of the other members,perhaps dividing the Olympus DSLR forum is a good idea. Maybe give Phil an email on this and he will take your advise.
buzz light-buster
Senior Member
its always nice to have a chat in here, get some ideas, spend some time.
leave the forum for a while.
I'm sure you will enjoy your time back in here again.
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leave the forum for a while.
I'm sure you will enjoy your time back in here again.
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Roy S.
Forum Enthusiast
Much have been said about splitting the forum but no comments on how it will prevent the "retart" from joining the "older" group members or preventing question redundancies. It's easy to say split the forum but will this solve the problem?
Should one require a screening or test before being a member of a group? isn't this similar to being Elitist and/or fraternization? Like I said before on my previous post, splitting seems to be an ideal solution. However, it may not solve the problem that Mike stated on this thread.
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Should one require a screening or test before being a member of a group? isn't this similar to being Elitist and/or fraternization? Like I said before on my previous post, splitting seems to be an ideal solution. However, it may not solve the problem that Mike stated on this thread.
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rob kerfoot
Senior Member
the 4/3rds forums setup is a great way, they have a general forum for non specific question then specific forums for the various camera models...
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http://www.my4thirds.com is split like that, and the admin is taking more suggestions.
Since this site is catered for many different camera brands, it may not be an easy thing to add all these specific forums for the different areas of discussoin just for one brand of camera. A dedicated site/forum will do a better job splitting things up.
As is right now, there are already many forums here for the different brands. Adding more forums to cater to Oly users' needs may not be at the best interest of the owner of site here.
Just thinking out loud here.
Since this site is catered for many different camera brands, it may not be an easy thing to add all these specific forums for the different areas of discussoin just for one brand of camera. A dedicated site/forum will do a better job splitting things up.
As is right now, there are already many forums here for the different brands. Adding more forums to cater to Oly users' needs may not be at the best interest of the owner of site here.
Just thinking out loud here.
Douglas Palmer
Senior Member
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Are you perchance the administrator of my4thirds? I noticed earlier that you were the only member. I'm sure most people here have read your suggestion of joining your forum; you have certainly advretised it enough. If they wanted to join they would have joined! Please stop repeating this message over and over again and take a hint from the lack of responses to your repeated suggestion!
Regards
Doug
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J4Hug
Senior Member
.. and I'm sure I'm not the only one who bought into the E system (18 months ago) because of him and others providing both inspiration and help. It is only inevitable that as ownership increases worldwide, the usage of this forum will increase. Perhaps its up to us to title our threads sensibly then searching would be easier.
However if Phil could develop a method of tagging a thread (without necessarily contributing) that would be useful.
Jerry
Haha! Yeah, it does sound that way. No I am not the admin of the site. Just trying to help the situation, but I guess you don't appreciate it. That is ok.
Gary Stallones
Senior Member
Everyone who want to ask the question; "Should I get an E-1 or an E-500"
It would gain a few pages per day.....
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It would gain a few pages per day.....
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'The virtue of the camera is not the power it has to transform the photographer into an artist, but the impulse it gives him to keep on looking.'
Quotation from Brooks Atkinson
US Drama Critic, Journalist
...you've been flogging this perhaps a tad too much in the last day or so and people naturally begin to wonder.
Ease off, or your helping may achieve exactly the opposite to what you want.
Cheers
Ray
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Ease off, or your helping may achieve exactly the opposite to what you want.
Cheers
Ray
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Inigo Montoya
Forum Pro
that you post you comments to Raymond's thread?
Others might benefit from reading them as well, and each good "signal" post helps everything rise above the "noise".
Others might benefit from reading them as well, and each good "signal" post helps everything rise above the "noise".
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