Increase participation in challenges...

KentPhotos · Nov 15, 2005

Rick, feel free to suggest changes in good spirit. Don't get your back up , name call, and label people pejoratively, when other members of a pre-existing community don't agree with them and want to stick with what has worked for people other than yourself. Start your own competition with your own rules if you like. Free will is a wonderful thing. But impuning Flick in the manner you have, when others of us trust her judgement, her insight and her character through interactions built over a period of years, simply diminishes you. It isn't railing mightily against the status quo, it isn't noble, you aren't the one person to see the emporer naked while all the rest of us have scales over our eyes, it's just unnecessarily hostile and damaging.

I bowed out of the Fuji forum when it degenerated into this kind of name-calling. I'm not interested in wasting further time with this one either, if this is what it has become.

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DavidMillier · Nov 15, 2005

Photographer, mathematician and software developer???!!

Polymath by the sound of things!

I could probably host it although I'd have to check with the terms of my hosting arrangement.

As for the other things, a bit of thought might come up with a workable solution, even if it is a bit crude.

Worth considering at least.

Warren Sarle said:
DMillier said:

Could we not write a little application for inputing and totalling
votes?

Jono's a professional software devloper, even I'm supposed to be
(although I'm really more of a dabbler). But I would have thought
an html form form entering results and a little asp/Vbscript page
for processing the input and sticking the results in Access or
somesuch would be easy enough.

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I'm a professional software developer, too, although not as a web
developer.

Certainly it's technically possible to write a voting application,
but I think it would be a fair amount of work. For example, in
addition to the mechanics of voting, you would need to copy all the
titles from pbase and hotlink to the thumbnails.

We would also need for someone to volunteer to host the application.

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PaulLandscape244043 · Nov 15, 2005

And an interesting one. Mmmm the thought had never crossed my mind. I like the feel this idea has.

I'm not sure how it would work as a marker image needs to be selected and some poor soul has to host each comp. And as punishment for beating me in the competition it seems only fair they should be made to add up the votes.

Maybe a cyclical thing. Each person who enters gets a turn at choosing a theme and placing the holder image.

Another benefit of this idea might be that it frees up some opportunity to offer real comentary on the images. A sort of help to improve notion.

Anyway, this idea will be interesting to see how it might be taken by the larger group.

Daniel Sroka said:
Warren Sarle said:

Does anybody have more ideas for making things easier for moderators?

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One suggestion would be to just remove the votes. This is more of a
open critique among friends than a "Competition". I realized that
Idon't even really look at who "won" anyway! It's just great to see
what everyone's take is on the theme.

(By the way, I personally have no problem with the votes, this is
just an idea.)

Dan

PaulLandscape244043 · Nov 15, 2005

I've been pondering this challenge thing for a little while now.

The fact is it got broke when Kodak dumped the FF DSLR!!!

We rapidly adjusted the Competition when Jono switched camps. and rightly so!! We might not have been so quick though if it wasn't for Jono being the photographer he is.

Anyway, the fact is the KODAK is on the extinction road. Not if, but when will the last of us still be using the Kodak??? If this Forum hopes to grow and flourish I think it needs to redifine itself.

The question seems to me to be what are the future reasons we might still post here?? Certainly when the Kodak's start to cause us greif as they get older we will post here in vain attempts at finding work arounds. But my guess is the final answer will be to change brands!

So why will this forum survive Kodak's decision???? It seems clear to me we like a troll free environment that has kinder spirit than the other forums. But this isolatedness can bring with it some myopic views.

I'd like to continue to improve my photography, and maybe that is the cornerstone for a new definition of what this group is about. Self improvement in a troll free environment that embraces other camera's.

I don't know whether this resonates with others here, but I've been doing most ongoing development in other areana's, since I feel some level of competence with the Kodak.

Just a little womble to open some ideas.

Regards

Paul

PaulLandscape244043 · Nov 15, 2005

Making a decent living being a photographer. The digital revolution has bought with one of the largest shifts in the photographic feild it has ever seen. Those of you who are making a living from photographic endeavours will no the money you once made is a lot harder to make.

On-line stock libraries have cut the guts out of a big slice of commercial work for photographers.

And this is the shift I preach to photographers here. We can become extinct if we hold onto our Film ways or we become masters the digital darkroom. Here-in lies the next transistion for many film photographers.

I have been spending large amount of my time working on this rather than my camera expertise.

Does this forum look to expand its interest beyond the kodak???

I would be keen to hear what others think.

Regards

Paul

Flick · Nov 16, 2005

Paul,

I've been speculkating along these lines myself recently and agree with you. However, having been a change junkie all my life, and an imaptient one at that, one thing I've learned is that some changes need to be organic, at least initially. At present we have a situation where new people are still coming into the forum, very pleased with their Kodak cameras. We also have people objecting to the Competition gallery in the challenges allowing brands other than Kodak. At the same time we have people like Quentin buying the older models of Kodak DSLR, so i would say there is some milage yet in the Kodaks being central to the forum.

But....what you say is food for thought and someting we should be ready to consider.
Flick.

PaulLandscape said:
I've been pondering this challenge thing for a little while now.

The fact is it got broke when Kodak dumped the FF DSLR!!!

We rapidly adjusted the Competition when Jono switched camps. and
rightly so!! We might not have been so quick though if it wasn't
for Jono being the photographer he is.

Anyway, the fact is the KODAK is on the extinction road. Not if,
but when will the last of us still be using the Kodak??? If this
Forum hopes to grow and flourish I think it needs to redifine
itself.

The question seems to me to be what are the future reasons we might
still post here?? Certainly when the Kodak's start to cause us
greif as they get older we will post here in vain attempts at
finding work arounds. But my guess is the final answer will be to
change brands!

So why will this forum survive Kodak's decision???? It seems clear
to me we like a troll free environment that has kinder spirit than
the other forums. But this isolatedness can bring with it some
myopic views.

I'd like to continue to improve my photography, and maybe that is
the cornerstone for a new definition of what this group is about.
Self improvement in a troll free environment that embraces other
camera's.

I don't know whether this resonates with others here, but I've been
doing most ongoing development in other areana's, since I feel some
level of competence with the Kodak.

Just a little womble to open some ideas.

Regards

Paul

Flick · Nov 16, 2005

I hope you don't leave over this. Hopefully the dust will soon settle.
Flick.

KentPhotos said:
Rick, feel free to suggest changes in good spirit. Don't get your
back up , name call, and label people pejoratively, when other
members of a pre-existing community don't agree with them and want
to stick with what has worked for people other than yourself.
Start your own competition with your own rules if you like. Free
will is a wonderful thing. But impuning Flick in the manner you
have, when others of us trust her judgement, her insight and her
character through interactions built over a period of years, simply
diminishes you. It isn't railing mightily against the status quo,
it isn't noble, you aren't the one person to see the emporer naked
while all the rest of us have scales over our eyes, it's just
unnecessarily hostile and damaging.

I bowed out of the Fuji forum when it degenerated into this kind of
name-calling. I'm not interested in wasting further time with this
one either, if this is what it has become.

--
'The humble improve' -Wynton Marsalis

Daniel Sroka · Nov 16, 2005

Flick wrote:
At present we have a

Flick said:
situation where new people are still coming into the forum, very
pleased with their Kodak cameras. We also have people objecting to
the Competition gallery in the challenges allowing brands other
than Kodak. At the same time we have people like Quentin buying the
older models of Kodak DSLR, so i would say there is some milage yet
in the Kodaks being central to the forum.

Ah, "Kodak" is a state of mind more than a brand of camera.

Flick · Nov 16, 2005

Daniel Sroka said:
Ah, "Kodak" is a state of mind more than a brand of camera.

LOL! well said!

Personally I'd be delighted to expand to include other brands, then people like Charles and David would feel they could be more than visitors, and people like Jono could become members once more. but I think that's in an ideal world.

PaulLandscape244043 · Nov 16, 2005

Flick said:
Paul,

At the same time we have people like Quentin buying the

Flick said:
older models of Kodak DSLR, so i would say there is some milage yet
in the Kodaks being central to the forum.
But....what you say is food for thought and someting we should be
ready to consider.
Flick.

I agree, and would not be adverse to seeing a Kodak challenge and rather than an exhibition gallery perhaps an open challenge that holds the same perhaps even higher prestige than the Kodak. Remember we are no longer supported by Kodak and showing off thier capabilities doesn't achieve much now. Once upon a time we might have showed people that the Kodak was a real advantage in some area's and that could translate into a larger user pool. Now, like it or not the user pool is shrinking simply due to attrition. Rather we now have to consider how the challenges add to our own value.

For me that is having my work pitted against a large pool of top quality photographers and learning from thier contirbutions. If we rely on the Kodak as our only pool is has no choice but to get smaller.

Regards

Paul

Daniel Sroka · Nov 17, 2005

PaulLandscape said:
I agree, and would not be adverse to seeing a Kodak challenge and
rather than an exhibition gallery perhaps an open challenge that
holds the same perhaps even higher prestige than the Kodak.

Prestige? I always assumed these challenges just friendly competition among friends. I don't think there is any real prestige associated with it -- except as endowed by this find group of folks, of course!

Dan

PaulLandscape244043 · Nov 17, 2005

Daniel Sroka said:
PaulLandscape said:

I agree, and would not be adverse to seeing a Kodak challenge and
rather than an exhibition gallery perhaps an open challenge that
holds the same perhaps even higher prestige than the Kodak.

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Prestige? I always assumed these challenges just friendly
competition among friends. I don't think there is any real prestige
associated with it -- except as endowed by this find group of
folks, of course!

Dan

Yeah, your right of course, I guess what I mean is moving the focus from the Competition gallery to say an open gallery.

Regards

Paul

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