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I give up...this forum is gettting retarted...

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I might agree on a split.
And if they gave a test, you'd be right here, same as me.
Based on your pictures.
Be careful what you wish for........
 
mxs said:
Draydur,

I am trying to understand your frustration and I think I do to a
certain point. Let me point out a couple of well known facts.
Photography is very much hottest growing hobby in today's world.
Internet has been for years now and still keeps growing. Naturally,
you have more and more people joining various forums which they
would never consider before because either they couldn't afford
Internet or the hobby itself. This is in general and goes for other
trades, hobbies as well. So percentage wise we are still where we
were before just the masses are larger.
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an interesting way at looking at the increase. To me it's more posts not a percentage.
mxs said:
I wouldn't have problem splitting the forum if it keeps some people
happy. But I'd like you to elaborate on one thing. You've said that
most people are not willing to learn, "they are just oppinionated
or trolls...." Well I think it's rather the other way around, few
trolls, the most wants to learn including me. If you knew that this
is my favorite forum and I don't even own yet a single piece of
Olympus equipment you'd probably scream "Out of my forum..." :-)
How can you judge who is willing to learn and who is not?
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You can see the kind of posts that dominate the forum. Troll posts or those that feign ignorance and collect lots of advise but then never respond... Just energy sucking (but those are good threads considering the outpouring of knowledge)
mxs said:
If you read this forum everyday as you said why is it so difficult
to filter out the useless trolling bad posts and ignore them. It
works for me and it's really not that difficult anymore.
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well see above... I just can't resist the possibility there may be a pony in the pile of sh*t I guess
mxs said:
One good example. I think everybody got kind of sick and tired of
"our friend" who has been on a PF mission lately with each of his
Zuiko lenses. He keeps saying the same stuff over and over, doesn't
sound like he listens at all and he just embarrassed himself to the
point that I don't think he will ever get a decent helpful response
in the future. His post signature is so strong that even alias
change will not cut it for him. What I am trying to say is you have
to let it take care by itself. The problem will not disappear
overnight or by splitting this forum in two, three or more groups.
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been waiting since the E-300 release... not much improvement I see.
mxs said:
Last thing. I just read the other thread when a poster put some
very nice pictures out there of her fish tank. Your response was
simply dreadful and rude I'd say. I know you probably didn't mean
it, you were just fuming because of the forum issue. What's beyond
me why you just didn't choose not to comment. Nobody would say
anything to you for not commenting. It's your right and I think if
anything you wouldn't insult the poster.
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I said...

"The 1st ones nice, the 2nd ones interesting, the 3rd ones pointless and the 4th wasted my bandwidth."
and that's how I feel ...
but I also said...

"Ouch !!... sorry just P*ssed at the forum trend. these are nice images and glad you posted...
but I get nothing from 3 and 4 really. "

And these are my actual opinions. I like the first 2 and not so much the 2nd.
Anyone who posts images and wants feedback will get just that.

Once again see that I replied in a manner that took the sting out but still preserved my honest opinion.
mxs said:
Anyways, as I said I think I understand your frustration, but you
need to get over it. The world will not change, I think you will
have to adapt and learn how to deal with it.

Cheers
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The world has changed much since I was born and will continue to.

Were it not for my generation I don't know what would have happened to rock and roll and vietnam... not to mention photography.

The point is no man is an island and if one man remains silent it may not have the needed effect on the group he is a member of. There is far too much of that kind of wait and see timid behavior. I believe each person should speak their honest opinion and accept the results.

Thanks for your reply and giving me a chance to review my thinking
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Draydur
(Mike Lowery) - SF bay area, CA, USA
http://www.pbase.com/draydur
-- All things considered, the final image is all that matters.

 
I don't quite understand why you keep coming here.

I just purchased the E-300. I was previosly a 35mm owner and recently just a p&s digital camera owner. I had tons of questions and the people here had tons of suggestions and I read each one carefully and tried the suggestions that I could. I think the folks in here were wonderful and I guess I am glad you didn't help me?

I was having WB problems galore. Today I finally called Olympus and they told me it has a faulty wb and gave me some options. But, the advise here was wonderful and how I apprecialted it all! I learned things for sure.

If someone asked about shutter speeds, f stops, depth of fields, lighting or composition, I would tell them all I know to be true. I would never tell you things I know nothing about yet.

Oh, I am rambling but, I just want you to know I agree with some that say, if you don't like this forum find something that suits you. If you dont want to help "newbies" then don't, just read on till you find something that interests you.

--
S.Haden
 
Fair response.

I just hope you are wrong that it will get worse and worse and eventually trolls will prevail.....scary.

Oh and by no means I meant that you shouldn't voice your opinion or mood you find yourself in. The world would indeed be boring.

About the fish tank post. I will admit that if one knows you and your posts, the response you posted to OT doesn't sound rude at all. For somebody who has no clue what you stand for it's quite the opposite.

Thanks
 
."I believe each person should speak their honest opinion and accept the results."

Just read your last response, maybe you aren't the tough old crotchety guy you seem.

I went and looked at your photographs and you are good. I hope someday to be as proficient as you in PS. In the meantime, I just hope to take some photos that make me happy, and I hope others too. You sure did take some typical boo boo's and made them look great!

--
S.Haden
 
Edwaste said:
draydur said:
best to the old ones
sorry I'm so crotchety to the newbys
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Crotchety? Nah.....imperious....yah.
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Well ... experience tends to do that
I can't imagine how the E-10/20 folks feel.
But you will find my sort of discontent on other forums on this site.

It could be the newbies will soon find themselves alone giving one another what they have.

I just don't know.

I do know I miss the forum as it was a couple of years ago and I guess those days are gone.

Perhaps I made this post as a rallying cry for one last gathering of the dear old gang...

whatever...

sleep is what I'll do for now.

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Draydur
(Mike Lowery) - SF bay area, CA, USA
http://www.pbase.com/draydur
-- All things considered, the final image is all that matters.

 
I continue to lurk around this forum because it still has the most civil and thoughtful group of people overall.

The Canon and Nikon forums also have a good number of knowledgeable and helpful folks. Maybe it's the sheer numbers of people there, but too often they (Canon in particular) seem to be drowned out by a flood of brand zealots unrelentingly ridiculing and insulting each other over matters of imaginary importance, while they make universes out of pin dots.

Hey, we all started out in photography at one time, but (once again it might be due to the sheer volume of postings there), those forums also seem to have an inordinate number of people who simply aren't even interested in learning about photography. When a problem or issue does confront them....they just want a quick solution to the immediate question from the forum.

This place is still the best....

Regards,

Tony
 
You should have heard me play bass when I did that for a living.

Post processing is part of the craft and needs to be part of the bag used to produce the image.
Sometimes there is no way to get what you want without post.
Other-times it saves a rare photo op that didn't quite come off.

You probably didn't want that sermon but I wanted to defend my images.

There are far too may posts about out of camera results and really that is just not what a dSLR is about.
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Draydur
(Mike Lowery) - SF bay area, CA, USA
http://www.pbase.com/draydur
-- All things considered, the final image is all that matters.

 
It depends on how you want to split it. I sure as heck don't want to be stuck with the newbies because of the fact that I have an E-300.

The mentality of MercurySoft1 shows the fact that you're right. Anyone who has a question about f-stops or shutter speeds needs to read the manual, not ask a childish question that has no merit.
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--E--

 
Oh you didn't need to defend them! I thought they were really nice! I only wish I had your skills on PS.
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S.Haden
 
eMialik said:
It depends on how you want to split it. I sure as heck don't want
to be stuck with the newbies because of the fact that I have an
E-300.
The mentality of MercurySoft1 shows the fact that you're right.
Anyone who has a question about f-stops or shutter speeds needs to
read the manual, not ask a childish question that has no merit.
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Thanks for you validation of my feelings.

I don't know if there are childish posts, but there are some that are provocative and malicious thats for sure. Beyond that a couple of years ago it was like a club room with supportive comment or only the kindest of criticism give only to guide or inform.

Ah... the way of the world.
good night
Mike
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Draydur
(Mike Lowery) - SF bay area, CA, USA
http://www.pbase.com/draydur
-- All things considered, the final image is all that matters.

 
Aside from insulting newcomers to this forum, were you attempting some play on words -- or in your attempt to proclaim your superiority over others did you instead show us all that you can't spell? :-)

I'm just curious, since posting your request for a forum split as a thread in here is the equivalent of standing in the checkout lane at Wal-Mart and asking the people in line with you to change store policy.

You know who you need to contact, but I think it's also very unlikely unless the daily message volume exceeds a certain threshold. At the time of this writing, 3 of the four Canon related forums appear to be turning over faster than this one (based on the number of 1st page messages showing 2 hours old or older).

It sounds more like you feel you've outgrown what this forum has to offer (e.g. lots of help guidance to people new to their cameras, and perhaps new to DSLRs). That's all fine and well, and if that's the case, it's probably better to move to greener pastures than insist that the forum adapt to you.
 
draydur said:
Beyond that a couple
of years ago it was like a club room with supportive comment or
only the kindest of criticism give only to guide or inform.
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Mike, I am the Fish tank poster. I have to say your comments did sting a bit. I didn't see supportive, or kind criticism. I saw no attempt to guide or inform. what it seemed to me was that you were taking your frustrations out on me because you thought my photos sucked and "wasted your bandwith".

I can take criticism. If one wants to criticize, I do appreciate a why the photo isn't liked an what could be done to improve it. If anything. A "You wasted my bandwith" was really pretty unpleasant.

I bought my E-1 in February and this forum has been a great help to me. This and other photo boards has helped me become a thinking photographer in a way that pre-internet, it wouldn't have been possible. The suggestions and instant feedback is invaluable.

If you need a break. Take one. Not everyone knows what you are about. I have been here awhile and I have no idea.
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http://llpoolej.smugmug.com
 
Mike,

I understand your frustration. However, this forum has gone through a number of cycles over the 4+ years I have been following it. It is getting difficult to find the good threads, but I think it is still worth the effort as every once in a while you will find a gem.

It was because of this forum that I now own a E10, E1 and E-300, two FL50s, power pack, 14-54mm lens, 50-200mm lens, 50mm lens, etc., etc. Without this forum I would not have had the experience of others to help me make a purchase decision.

I try to return the favor and help others when I am able.

I think you will see the cycle shift back again once everyone has gained a little experience with their new E-300 and E-500 cameras. We will probable see another surge when the Ex arrives, but I don't expect it to be as bad as I think this camera will be a little expensive for new SLR users.

Of course you will always have the trolls. I am pretty good at recognizing a troll message and I just click right on by without taking the time to finish reading them.

I would not argue against a split, but this would leave the new Olympus users without the knowledge base of the older Olympus users.

Just my thoughts.....

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http://www.blackcanyonsystems.com/Models/index.html

http://www.blackcanyonsystems.com/Photography/index.html



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Lawrence
 
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