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EF-S..to buy or not to buy?

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Canon have made it abundantly clear that more EF-S lenses will be produced.

For Sean Rose: As someone has posted, the 35mm format is certainly not sacrosanct, MF produces better quality still, so why don't all pros use it? By Sean's argument they should.

I get excellent 13X19 prints from my XT. I love its light weight and compact size which make it easy to carry around for hours at a time, something I wouldn't like to do with a 5D+24-70 2.8...

There are other consideration apart from ultimate picture quality. And there's plenty of that in Daniella's galleries.

And you, Sean, are the one who's posting opinions as 'facts'.
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TonySD
 
Clearly stated that they will be producing MORE EF-S lenses in the future then.

Obviously they don't have the benefit of your crystal ball.

You'd better write and tell them then, before they waste more money...
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TonySD
 
Re optical design: The S stands for Short back focus which enables a lens to be designed in a more compact form than EF lenses.

So, yes, there is would be an optical difference.
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TonySD
 
many will still like to use APS for its light weight and compact size even if they also own FF? Hiking, travel and so on?

I have several digital cameras - all have their own uses, eg. S30 I can put in my pocket, Nikon 990 for photomicography etc., etc.
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TonySD
 
...if you're thinking of going full frame eventually.

I don't think EF-S lenses will be worthless any time soon, but why not get a standard zoom from 24mm or 28mm, and then get an extra lens for when you need wider - either prime or zoom...

Just some ideas. Hope this helps.
 
Tony SD said:
The EF-S image circle won't cover FF.
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this problem can be solved, camera firmware could easily crop the pic coming from the sensor.

I don't know though how it could be solved the problem with the viewfinder, maybe an optical switch to magnify the smaller image, or maybe just shoot looking at a smaller viewfinder, guess it is what happen when you put a sigma ef dc lens like 55-200 or 18-50 on a 5d

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Antonio
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If EF-S system gives you a good enough picture quality, then who cares about FF. Look at D2X, the picture quality is excellent up to ISO1600. Not to mention a couple of years later, you can always expect the top quality of pictures from an ASP size DLSR. But on the other hand, FF will be more affordable, considering the price of a 5D now. So I think in the future, EF-S and FF lenses will co-exist. For me, if the price of a FF is the same as 350D, I will definitely go for it. But if difference of the prices is huge, I may stay with EF-S. Now I only buy EF-S lens for wide angle range, other than this, I prefer EF lenses for a potential upgrade to a FF.
 
Daniella said:
jdf said:
I was considering buying the 17-85 is EF-s lens...but i then i
realized that in doing that i was stuck with the 1.6 FOV...so what
are the lens choice? to buy an APS sized lens..or a FF lens?...I
think the near future all canon's will be FF..
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nope...there are just too many of the EF-S lenses in the hands of
people and just too many people who don't want FF. if they offer
only FF, I am switching to Nikon!

for me and wildlife/bird photography, it is very important to have
the crop factor..here is a comparison of 1.3x crop factor with 1.6x
of the 20d..the pixel density help also but the crop factor give
the 20d as much detail, if not better than the 16mp 1Ds..that is
for bird photography we often can'T get the subject to fill the
frame completely..then with a 1.6x we get much more detail in:

here is what happen if you take the same subect, with the same
focal length and from the same distance:

20d:



1d II 8mp:



and 16mp 1Ds II



now this is why I will switch brand if they drop the 1.6x.
Daniella68313 said:
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EOS 350D + Kit lens + Good eye ;)
http://www.pbase.com/jdf_eos
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Please do not start new thread for private message to me but send
them to me via email instead! thanks.
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I understand your comparison, but don't forget that 1.6 FOV cameras will eventually start to loose when the pixel picth will become too tight for mpixel incresse...it will start to loose quality and then FF will become an advantage to some...
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EOS 350D + Kit lens + Good eye ;)
http://www.pbase.com/jdf_eos
 
Daniella said:
jdf said:
Daniella68313 said:
WHY NOT? if it's better and it will have more quality why not?, i'm
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happy with my 350D but why not upgrade to something better? i
really don't understand you guy's...
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for it is it simple..very simple enough...if I go full frame with
my 400mm lens..I drop in fine detail that I can capture in my
subject.

better image quality? no sir. check out my other reply in that
thread..you will see that the XT and 20d with their pixel density
and crop factor actualy get you MORE detail out of a same focal
length, same lens and same subject distance..and no you can't get
closer with birds..most of the time so that'S not even an option.

buying longer lenses is not an option either..too heavy and expensive.

anyway here is the article, it will open your eyes:

http://www.sphoto.com/techinfo/dslrsensors/dslrsensors.htm
Daniella68313 said:
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EOS 350D + Kit lens + Good eye ;)
http://www.pbase.com/jdf_eos
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Please do not start new thread for private message to me but send
them to me via email instead! thanks.
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buy another lense 500mm or so...there's your answer...
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EOS 350D + Kit lens + Good eye ;)
http://www.pbase.com/jdf_eos
 
We know they are selling 8 MP point and shoot cameras with tiny sensors so they could pack 32 MP into a 1.6 crop sensor and expect the noise increase and ISO caps we see with the point and shoots. Certainly it is possible that technology will allow improvements in this area but, for now, I'd say the desire for larger than 8MP 1.6x files will be driven by market forces rather than quality demand.

Note that the 5D and 20D pixel counts are similar in density. I'd suspect this number was limited by current technology to maintain the quality they required for that market. We could all get rich if we knew how to advance that number. Personally, I'd rather see the next camera in the 20D and 5D series have the same pixel counts but advance high ISO performance. Can you imaging a 20D that allowed ISO 6400 wit hcurrent 400 quality? I predict that will come. Just think how bird photos would benefit from 1/4000 then.
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Doug Smith
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jdf said:
Yes, but i'm not reaaly inthe mood of buying thing's to sell it
later! specilly when i know i will eventually sell it! And you
don't need L glass to have a decent image! it's a fact...FF is
quality and it's better wether you like it or not !
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If you've had your mind made up, why'd you start this thread?
 
The EF-s lenses stick into the camera more than EF lenses do. This allows the lens to be closer to the sensor (shorter back focus), and is what makes them different. The mirror on a FF camera would hit the lens if you put it on - so you'd have to move the lens out, making everything change optically. I'm sure it's 'possible', but for sure not feasible, as it would change focus, aperture, and focal length - making it very confusing at best, and probably expensive, with further loss in quality. And since the real need for EF-s lenses is at the wide angle end, moving the lens out would increase focal length, negating the reason EF-s lenses were designed in the first place.
 
I've read every post on this thread and I was surprised with the (resonable) patience of Daniella who answered the same question X times; she (and some of you guys too) has put the things on numbers, not on passion. This was convincing and quite interesting.

I hope my conclusion out of this thread is right: If CANON stops now the further development of the 1.6x crop sensor and ever produces an FF sensor with a pixel DENSITY greater than the today Rebel XT's for the same money, same picture quality, better noise level, then everyone of us including Daniella would probably surrender to FF, am I right? Reason for that would be that the IMAGE DETAIL DEGREE of a FF sensor would be same or better than the today 1.6x at the 100% crop level for shots taken from the same target distance and same focal lenght. As things are evoluting pretty fast, no doubt that in 5 or less years from now this will come true. Anyway, why expect so long?

I'm convinced it's worth it buying the more affordable EF-S lenses right away and enjoying them for many years before moving to FF!
Just the "ultra wide angle" issue remained still in a "gray" region...

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Joe M
'Important is not what you know about photography,
important is what you shoot with what you know'
 
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