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EF-S..to buy or not to buy?

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mlbriand said:
The XT can take fantastic pictures. You have plenty of lenses
available. Why go full frame? May be I am missing something but I
am really happy with my XT. I bought the 17-85 IS lens, it is
REALLY good. Don't forget you can always sell your EF-S lens at a
good price if your are upgrade to an another camera.

Cheers!

Michel Briand
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WHY NOT? if it's better and it will have more quality why not?, i'm happy with my 350D but why not upgrade to something better? i really don't understand you guy's...
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The real reason is the size of the budget.

If you are well off, then of course get FF everything.

If you funds are limited, and getting FF delays your lens purchase, then you have a decision to make.

My advice is that if funds are limited, don't wait. Get the EF-S now. Opportunity is wasted. Your kids will never be young again. The EF-S will be good for now. And if you ever get the money to go FF, you can sell it.

Also, a lot of people keep saving for FF and never achieve it - because of budget constraints. Then all the waiting is for nothing.

As an analogy. If you cannot afford a FF dSLR. Don't wait. Get a 1.6 crop dSLR now. It is better to have a 1.6 crop now, than wait 2 years until you can afford a FF.
fenella said:
Given the way digital cameras (and electronic technology in
general) have dropped in price in such a short amount of time, a FF
budget DSLR is surely going to happen sooner rather than later, so
why restrict yourself by buying EF-S lenses?
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Dude, whatever turns you on. Do you expect people to agree with you to go FF? I don't understand your argument at all. The XT can take both EF-S and EF. The FF cams don't do EF-S. Have you seen the FF cams? It's enormous compared to the XT! Anyways, hope you find the answer. Good luck.
 
What a worthless thread. If you are going to go full frame in the near future, then don't buy EF-S lenses. If FF is not in your near future then who cares. Get what you can use now so you can take pictures instead of dreaming about taking pictures. The way you argue about it makes it seem like you're going out tomorrow to buy a FF camera. In that case why on earth would you buy and EF-S lens, or start a useless thread asking about it?
 
what a bunch of stupid people around here...why buy ef-s if you know it will be obselete in the future? why not just by straight away a FF lens? what's the advantage in buying an EF-S lens...in a word optically and in quality NONE ZEO NADA NIENTE!
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photoguynorth said:
The cost of developing a lens is high enough that selling a few
thousand of them at lower prices than the FF equivalents
(especially WA lenses) makes absolutely no sense. If it is a money
grab, then it's a stupid one.
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You don't know what you are talking about. And that's really all there is to say...

EF-S is cheaper to make, Canon is charging premium prices above what an equivalent EF lens costs. The fact it won't work with all Canon cameras is a NO BRAINER as to why you wouldn't want one. Only the 10-22 fills a void not covered in EF land and it's the ONLY EF-S glass worth thinking about for that reason alone.

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Sean Rose said:
photoguynorth said:
The cost of developing a lens is high enough that selling a few
thousand of them at lower prices than the FF equivalents
(especially WA lenses) makes absolutely no sense. If it is a money
grab, then it's a stupid one.
--
Come and look at my ego site (I mean website)
http://www.outnumbered.ca
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You don't know what you are talking about. And that's really all
there is to say...

EF-S is cheaper to make, Canon is charging premium prices above
what an equivalent EF lens costs. The fact it won't work with all
Canon cameras is a NO BRAINER as to why you wouldn't want one. Only
the 10-22 fills a void not covered in EF land and it's the ONLY
EF-S glass worth thinking about for that reason alone.

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-Sean

Gallery: http://www.seanrose.com

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I couldn't say better! ;)
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EOS 350D + Kit lens + Good eye ;)
http://www.pbase.com/jdf_eos
 
Sarajean said:
life is short - buy, use, sell on ebay

thats the life cycle of lens
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Why? You buy it new then sell at a loss when you go FF, along with all the hassle (and risk) of selling. Why not buy a new EF lens and keep it for the rest of your life?
 
Didn't know you had a crystal ball. So EF-S is obselete? Where'd you get that idea from? Lens quality is subjective, each lens group, maker has each own flaw. No group of lenses are guaranteed to be sharp, EF or EF-S. Even some lenses from the same batch have soft focusing.

So why ask if EF-S is worth it when you've already decided on a FF camera with EF lenses. I agree, this is a STUPID thread. Whatevers
 
I have decided to eventually go full frame, and hence am limiting myself to EF lenses. Part of the reason is that I see Canon dividing the world into two worlds, prosumer, APS, and serious, full frame. Hence you may never see their best L lenses in EFs sizes.

This is a crying shame. There is a huge size and cost advantage to the cropped frame format. In addition to optical quality, there is another characteristic that sets CAnon L lenses apart from the rest. They are big and heavy. I have a wonderfully sharp 70-200 f4L. It is twice the size of my 100-300 USM. My 400 F5.6L does not go with me very often because of its size and weight. It would be wonderful if Canon would make L quality EFs lenses just to cut down on the bulk. Since they use less glass, the cost should be a lot less too.
 
tocar said:
Didn't know you had a crystal ball. So EF-S is obselete? Where'd
you get that idea from? Lens quality is subjective, each lens
group, maker has each own flaw. No group of lenses are guaranteed
to be sharp, EF or EF-S. Even some lenses from the same batch have
soft focusing.

So why ask if EF-S is worth it when you've already decided on a FF
camera with EF lenses. I agree, this is a STUPID thread. Whatevers
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Let's just say..someone told me ;) it's a fever now..but when FF hit's hard...no one will even remember the "old" EF-S...and i'm not talking about nikon or others too..i'm just talking about Canon...it's way of competition will surprise everyone..soon
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I understand your concern in the original post, but perhaps you haven't considered these facts :

1- 1.6 Fov is still a very popular format, especially for tele photo. It's always cheaper to produce than FF, so there is not a likely reason for Canon to give up in this field when the competitors are still offering APC sensor cameras (and nothing else !!!). Canon is operating in the FF category all alone, so why give up on APC when obviouly, there is still money to be made. Canon excels in this field: The 300D, 10D, XT, 20D are all SUPERIOR to the next competitor in their own category.

2-Trading/ exchanging lenses is the fact of life when you use DSLR, so don't be afraid to use this option. There are millions of 300D, 10D, XT, 20D out there and they will not all disappear even if Canon decide to go completely FF for all their new cameras. You can still unload all your EF-S lenses quite easily for years after you decide to go FF.

I personally have an XT right now, and besides the 18-55, I have no other EF-S lenses, but I would be very comfortable buying one if my needs require one.
 
look's like you were the one...expecting it...forget it it's too hard for you seu cabeça de pneu do carralhedo!
 
I have no idea what you are saying (I assume it's an insult?). What I was expecting (and got) was a stupid response from Sean - he has a history of personal insults whenever someone disagrees with him - a reputation you seem to be working on as well. I don't care what you think - if you think buying EF-s lenses is stupid - you are entitled to your opinion and I will not stoop to personal attacks for that. I wonder why you posed a question on a public board - then get defensive (I'd say offensive but since it's portugese or whatever, I can't really be sure) whenever an opinion differs from yours. I ignored the last response from you that lacked any thought - and I will ignore any more from you.
I'm sure you have your reasons for your behavior.
jdf said:
look's like you were the one...expecting it...forget it it's too
hard for you seu cabeça de pneu do carralhedo!
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Sean Rose said:
photoguynorth said:
The cost of developing a lens is high enough that selling a few
thousand of them at lower prices than the FF equivalents
(especially WA lenses) makes absolutely no sense. If it is a money
grab, then it's a stupid one.
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Come and look at my ego site (I mean website)
http://www.outnumbered.ca
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You don't know what you are talking about.
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And YOU do????
Sean Rose said:
EF-S is cheaper to make,
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But not to develop ! And not to start a new production line!
Sean Rose said:
Canon is charging premium prices above
what an equivalent EF lens costs.
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Oh? The EF-S 60 macro outperforms the 35mm equivalent EF 100 macro, while being significantly cheaper. The EF-S 18-55 is incredibly cheap. The 10-22 isn't badly priced either.

The EF-S 17-85 IS sounds expensive, untill you remind yourself that it has much better IS than the 28-135 it's often compared with, and has a much more difficult focal length range.
Sean Rose said:
The fact it won't work with all
Canon cameras is a NO BRAINER as to why you wouldn't want one.
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What percentage of non-EF-S Canon camera's do you think there are?

Analog SLR's are almost extinct. And there's not so many people that can afford a FF DSLR.. While half of the world population has allready bought a digital Rebel....

EF lenses don't fit on Nikon camera's. Is that a reason not to buy EF lenses?
 
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