Calico Cat
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People said that only a DSLR can take shots at night, but the P200 shot looks good to me.
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P200 vs. DSLR
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People said that only a DSLR can take shots at night, but the P200 shot looks good to me.
jrdu
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There are some reasons to believe that the quality of the consumer lenses is similar to the elite lenses.
One is that a brand name has to protect its cachet. Carl Zeiss simply refuses to put its name on a product that it isn't sure of. The H1 has an excellent lens but Carl Zeiss would not brand it.
Two is that economy of scale reduces price. Sony will sell thousands of times more P200s than Carl Zeiss sells 35 mm lenses.
Three is that it is much easier to make a good quality lens in a small size. I believe that this is the main reason for the difference in price.
John Dunn
One is that a brand name has to protect its cachet. Carl Zeiss simply refuses to put its name on a product that it isn't sure of. The H1 has an excellent lens but Carl Zeiss would not brand it.
Two is that economy of scale reduces price. Sony will sell thousands of times more P200s than Carl Zeiss sells 35 mm lenses.
Three is that it is much easier to make a good quality lens in a small size. I believe that this is the main reason for the difference in price.
John Dunn
Harry Behret
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Boy, you really are stirring the pot. I don't recall anyone sying that DSLRs are the only cameras that can take night shots. Folks have been for years posting night shots here taken with Sony cameras. The posted pic is Ok but hardly outstanding. I've seen much better from the older 707 and 717s.
After you get a few responses to this latest silliness you will say "why is everyone getiing agitated when I only praised the P200."
Harry
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LPTA
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I have to say, this photo is the greatest example to show how a small compact digicam can put bulky DSLRs to shame....I would make a 30X20 print with gold frame and put it in the living room...
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Calico Cat
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These were taken on different days, and they are not exactly the same field of view, so take the comparions for what they are.
The Sony shot seems a little blurrier, but maybe there was camera shake? Sometimes the P200 is hard to hold steady, but that's an issue of learning how to use it.
DSLR full shot:
DSLR 100% crop
P200 full shot:
P200 100% crop:
The Sony shot seems a little blurrier, but maybe there was camera shake? Sometimes the P200 is hard to hold steady, but that's an issue of learning how to use it.
DSLR full shot:
DSLR 100% crop
P200 full shot:
P200 100% crop:
T. L. Rutter
Senior Member
Let's be real folks...
I think the P200 in the hands of a professional digital photographer will produce far better images than some photographers who haven't mastered light, composition, etc.
Look at the pictures that was produced with the P200 from the review on this site. I have compared them with mine and I see I have some things to learn!!!!
I think with the right photographer, lighting, filters, composition, that the P200 can come extremely close to eye-popping photography that DSLR can provide. On the other hand, the majority of eye-popping photography comes from action shots, such as in sports or wildlife that's on the hunt.
For me, I haven't yet put my P200 in those circumstances, but I do feel I am much closer than my Sony S75 (which I dearly loved).
Has anyone put the P200 to the test in true active sports? How does it compare to DSLR and any tips or suggestons?
I think the P200 in the hands of a professional digital photographer will produce far better images than some photographers who haven't mastered light, composition, etc.
Look at the pictures that was produced with the P200 from the review on this site. I have compared them with mine and I see I have some things to learn!!!!
I think with the right photographer, lighting, filters, composition, that the P200 can come extremely close to eye-popping photography that DSLR can provide. On the other hand, the majority of eye-popping photography comes from action shots, such as in sports or wildlife that's on the hunt.
For me, I haven't yet put my P200 in those circumstances, but I do feel I am much closer than my Sony S75 (which I dearly loved).
Has anyone put the P200 to the test in true active sports? How does it compare to DSLR and any tips or suggestons?
LPTA
Leading Member
Wow.
Thank you so much for doing us great favours. YOu have no idea how many DSLR users will sell their bulky DSLR systems and buy this magical P200. We should all invest in Sony stocks.
Thanks a bunch
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Thank you so much for doing us great favours. YOu have no idea how many DSLR users will sell their bulky DSLR systems and buy this magical P200. We should all invest in Sony stocks.
Thanks a bunch
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You've just disproved your theory. The P200 crop is blurry, may or may not be an OOF issue. Maybe just a limit of the lense. What was the F stop and shutter speeds, ISO etc...
The P200 shot also lacks color and contrast. It's very dull compared to the DSLR.
I've not used the P200, but did use the P150 and of course I really liked my 828, but in both cases I get noticiably better results more often (not all the time) then I did with any other camera.
The E-300, at least mine and with the kit lenses has YET to ever exhibit any CA or PF, even when I purposely tried to make it.
So perhaps you have a faulty sensor.
Gene
The P200 shot also lacks color and contrast. It's very dull compared to the DSLR.
I've not used the P200, but did use the P150 and of course I really liked my 828, but in both cases I get noticiably better results more often (not all the time) then I did with any other camera.
The E-300, at least mine and with the kit lenses has YET to ever exhibit any CA or PF, even when I purposely tried to make it.
So perhaps you have a faulty sensor.
Gene
TedSz
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My bicycle can take me to lot more places than my 4WD (SUV) can. However, I doubt I would go as far as proclaiming it is better than the 4WD.
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Agreed, and so could the same photographer use just about any camera. Who's the guy that shot all the gulf war or Iraq war with 4 P&S Oly cameras?
Agreed again. In some cases there is little difference in a 5, 6 or 7 MP P&S and a similar PM DSLR, at normal image sizes both viewing and printing, but start pushing the limits, high contrast, lower light, fast moving objects etc...
Granted a lot of the DSLR advantage doesn't really come out until the more expensive lenses are put on, but that's why they make and sell them.
Perhaps in almost perfect lighting conditions and if you are close enough to the subject. But there is a limit to how much detail a tiny little lense on a tiny little sensor can capture.
On the other hand, the majority
Like the majority if not all EFV/LCD cameras they struggle with sports. Just not fast enough in most condtions.
Gene
Small sensor P&S cameras can not compete with larger "sensor" cameras. Be it film or digital.
Be it bokeh in the out of focus back ground
Fast Focus and long reach
Extreme wide shots
Or the wide variety of lenses that can give you ultra wide and extreme reach
Not to mention low ligh non flash handholdability with clear shots even at higher ISO settings.
Not sure what there is to compare.
Be it bokeh in the out of focus back ground
Fast Focus and long reach
Extreme wide shots
Or the wide variety of lenses that can give you ultra wide and extreme reach
Not to mention low ligh non flash handholdability with clear shots even at higher ISO settings.
Not sure what there is to compare.
TedSz
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Don't forget, for a good taste the pudding still requires a good chef.
The portrait and the landscape shots in your post are excellent.
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The portrait and the landscape shots in your post are excellent.
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The portrait was more or less a snap shot that turned out well, save for the obstruction across her arm (easily clones out) and the landscape was shot out in Sedona Az earlier this year.
I honestly think that 90% of my shots a P&S camera would be nearly useless.
My three main lenses are my
70-200 F2.8
50-500
10-20
The 28-75 is in the range of P&S cameras..but the constant F2.8 with high iso capability of the 20D seperates it from most any P&S camera.
I honestly think that 90% of my shots a P&S camera would be nearly useless.
My three main lenses are my
70-200 F2.8
50-500
10-20
The 28-75 is in the range of P&S cameras..but the constant F2.8 with high iso capability of the 20D seperates it from most any P&S camera.
Calico Cat
Senior Member
Remember, this is a 100% crop of a seven megapixel image taken with a camera the size of a cell phone that costs less than just the lens for a DSLR. I'm extremely impressed. The P200 has exceeded my expectations.
When this is downsized for viewing on monitors or printed at 8x10, any imperfections would disappear.
lharris
Veteran Member
I had the 707, 717 and currently the H1 and V1 and thought the V3 awesome.
Plus, the D70, F10, P700Casio, C7000, A2, 8700 ,C8080, FZ5 and LX1 is being tested...Almost embarassing actually.
I ordered the P200 on that Dell deal--plus an extra battery and charger from another store.
They all went back....
I only say this because I think we each use cameras differently. I had so much trouble with blurry shots and even tho I read how fast the camera is, I could not catch one shot of my cat. (you know, the obligatory cat photo..)
I just was not enjoying using it. Each camera has something I particularly like, but I was just not happy using the P200.
So, I don't think it is a matter of pitting camera against camera--it is just what we enjoy.
I now sort of rank thme in my mind based on size, indoor/outdoor, zoom,
WA, macro, landscape, portrait.
I know the P200 is capable of wonderful images, it just wasn't working with my eyes or my hands.
The H1, however, is a happier story!.
And, tho particular photos might match some of my D70 shots-none of them would consistently match 2 or 3 of my best lenses on the dslr.
Of course, I am saving for the R1 now...
Linda
Plus, the D70, F10, P700Casio, C7000, A2, 8700 ,C8080, FZ5 and LX1 is being tested...Almost embarassing actually.
I ordered the P200 on that Dell deal--plus an extra battery and charger from another store.
They all went back....
I only say this because I think we each use cameras differently. I had so much trouble with blurry shots and even tho I read how fast the camera is, I could not catch one shot of my cat. (you know, the obligatory cat photo..)
I just was not enjoying using it. Each camera has something I particularly like, but I was just not happy using the P200.
So, I don't think it is a matter of pitting camera against camera--it is just what we enjoy.
I now sort of rank thme in my mind based on size, indoor/outdoor, zoom,
WA, macro, landscape, portrait.
I know the P200 is capable of wonderful images, it just wasn't working with my eyes or my hands.
The H1, however, is a happier story!.
And, tho particular photos might match some of my D70 shots-none of them would consistently match 2 or 3 of my best lenses on the dslr.
Of course, I am saving for the R1 now...
Linda
Calico Cat
Senior Member
I'm not "pitting" any cameras against each other, this was more of a demonstration that a small camera with excellent quality like the P200 can capture better shots than a DSLR.
The P200 is very hard to hold steady because it's so small or something. This is something that was mentioned in the review here. Because it's so small and starts up so fast, one tends to just whip it out and shoot without making an effort to hold it steady.
Also, one should use manual focus on infinity for most types of distant shots. The DOF is wide enough so this should get everything except really close stuff in focus.
tko
Forum Pro
Be it long reach
or 12 MM wide angles
or landscapes
or depth of field
or candids
http://tko.smugmug.com/gallery/754560/3/38820016
or handheld
or natural light
or dynamic range
my point and shoot never lets me down : )
No dSLR's were harmed in the making of these pictures. No tripods were tortured. No flashes were fired.
Sorry, I couldn't resist : ) As always, it's the photographer, not the camera.
or 12 MM wide angles
or landscapes
or depth of field
or candids
http://tko.smugmug.com/gallery/754560/3/38820016
or handheld
or natural light
or dynamic range
my point and shoot never lets me down :
No dSLR's were harmed in the making of these pictures. No tripods were tortured. No flashes were fired.
Sorry, I couldn't resist :
Calico Cat
Senior Member
Those are great, and there's a lot of other great stuff on your Smugmug site.
Keep up the good photography.
Keep up the good photography.
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