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http://www.cps.canon-europa.com says:

"The EOS-1D is not a tweak on an existing design, nor is the EOS-1D a compromise between speed and quality, for it delivers both in a single body. "

Doesn't look like Canon is working on something with higher resolution...
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WOW - what a statement. I would never figure that Canon would seem so defensive about a product that it just released on an official web-site. They must be getting a LOT of flack about the 1D.

Well, only time will tell. Thanks for the link - I almost never go to the cps site. It is really interesting.

-JM
Holger Ehlers said:
http://www.cps.canon-europa.com says:

"The EOS-1D is not a tweak on an existing design, nor is the EOS-1D
a compromise between speed and quality, for it delivers both in a
single body. "

Doesn't look like Canon is working on something with higher
resolution...
:-(
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I have to ask again... what is with this fixation on fps??? 8fps with 4mp @ iso 200 is nice (with only 500 shots per battery) but 4-6fps with a true 6mp CMOS @ iso 100 is even better (especially with better battery performance). I think they just wanted to get the performance as close as possible to the 1V, and were willing to sacrifice much of the non-pj/sports market to get it -- and they did get it, make no mistake... it IS a D1h slayer -- I just wanted a single camera that would slay BOTH the Nikons (h AND x), as I do fashion and other model work in addition to sports, and will still get a 1d if a higher res version is not soon in coming... unless the D1x proves so superior in terms of image quality that I am forced to go Nikon...
Holger Ehlers said:
http://www.cps.canon-europa.com says:

"The EOS-1D is not a tweak on an existing design, nor is the EOS-1D
a compromise between speed and quality, for it delivers both in a
single body. "

Doesn't look like Canon is working on something with higher
resolution...
:-(
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I'm in total agreement. The 1D is a very nice D1H killer, though the price is out of line. From what I've seen so far, it doesn't compete well against the D1X.
William Icquatu Jr. said:
Holger Ehlers said:
http://www.cps.canon-europa.com says:

"The EOS-1D is not a tweak on an existing design, nor is the EOS-1D
a compromise between speed and quality, for it delivers both in a
single body. "

Doesn't look like Canon is working on something with higher
resolution...
:-(
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William Icquatu Jr. said:
I have to ask again... what is with this fixation on fps??? 8fps
with 4mp @ iso 200 is nice (with only 500 shots per battery) but
4-6fps with a true 6mp CMOS @ iso 100 is even better (especially
with better battery performance). I think they just wanted to get
the performance as close as possible to the 1V, and were willing to
sacrifice much of the non-pj/sports market to get it -- and they
did get it, make no mistake... it IS a D1h slayer -- I just wanted
a single camera that would slay BOTH the Nikons (h AND x), as I do
fashion and other model work in addition to sports, and will still
get a 1d if a higher res version is not soon in coming... unless
the D1x proves so superior in terms of image quality that I am
forced to go Nikon...
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Then go to Nikon then !!!!!
William Icquatu Jr. said:
Holger Ehlers said:
http://www.cps.canon-europa.com says:

"The EOS-1D is not a tweak on an existing design, nor is the EOS-1D
a compromise between speed and quality, for it delivers both in a
single body. "

Doesn't look like Canon is working on something with higher
resolution...
:-(
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Look Canon has been around this long only to NOT listen to the people that are using their cameras. Personally I think the 1D is an awesome looking camera spec wise. If somehow everyone is thinking that Canon won't release another camera with more quality well....they are dreaming. If they think another year before the announcement is too long well....it's about time you head on over to the Nikon camp. I think the 1D will do a fine job for it's target market. I think the D30 does a fine job already for a non-pro camera.
Michael Martin said:
William Icquatu Jr. said:
I have to ask again... what is with this fixation on fps??? 8fps
with 4mp @ iso 200 is nice (with only 500 shots per battery) but
4-6fps with a true 6mp CMOS @ iso 100 is even better (especially
with better battery performance). I think they just wanted to get
the performance as close as possible to the 1V, and were willing to
sacrifice much of the non-pj/sports market to get it -- and they
did get it, make no mistake... it IS a D1h slayer -- I just wanted
a single camera that would slay BOTH the Nikons (h AND x), as I do
fashion and other model work in addition to sports, and will still
get a 1d if a higher res version is not soon in coming... unless
the D1x proves so superior in terms of image quality that I am
forced to go Nikon...
Click to expand...
Then go to Nikon then !!!!!
Michael Martin43323 said:
Holger Ehlers said:
http://www.cps.canon-europa.com says:

"The EOS-1D is not a tweak on an existing design, nor is the EOS-1D
a compromise between speed and quality, for it delivers both in a
single body. "

Doesn't look like Canon is working on something with higher
resolution...
:-(
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I believe that Canon is merely jabbing Nikon for forcing its customers into having to choose EITHER resolution or speed but not both. In the 1D, one gets both.

I still believe that there'll be a slower, higher-res pro model introduced soon.
 
before I get flogged on this...that first sentence was sarcasm.
BA said:
Michael Martin said:
William Icquatu Jr. said:
I have to ask again... what is with this fixation on fps??? 8fps
with 4mp @ iso 200 is nice (with only 500 shots per battery) but
4-6fps with a true 6mp CMOS @ iso 100 is even better (especially
with better battery performance). I think they just wanted to get
the performance as close as possible to the 1V, and were willing to
sacrifice much of the non-pj/sports market to get it -- and they
did get it, make no mistake... it IS a D1h slayer -- I just wanted
a single camera that would slay BOTH the Nikons (h AND x), as I do
fashion and other model work in addition to sports, and will still
get a 1d if a higher res version is not soon in coming... unless
the D1x proves so superior in terms of image quality that I am
forced to go Nikon...
Click to expand...
Then go to Nikon then !!!!!
BA said:
Holger Ehlers said:
http://www.cps.canon-europa.com says:

"The EOS-1D is not a tweak on an existing design, nor is the EOS-1D
a compromise between speed and quality, for it delivers both in a
single body. "

Doesn't look like Canon is working on something with higher
resolution...
:-(
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jeffrey behr said:
I believe that Canon is merely jabbing Nikon for forcing its
customers into having to choose EITHER resolution or speed but not
both. In the 1D, one gets both.
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That is prcisely the way I read and understood it, BUT I think it might take
longer than most of us would like.

I would rate the absence of a multiplication factor evn more highly than high resolution per se. If they introduce a high res CMOS in the weatherprrofed 1D case I will be very happy, but I saspect we might have to wait 2 -3 years. Somehow Canon seems to think that the market for such a camera would be very small, unfortunately...at least that´s what one of their product managers told me :(

rotohr
 
I don;t mind waiting 2 years...that will give me the oppurtunity to save up for the latest Canon release!
rotohr said:
jeffrey behr said:
I believe that Canon is merely jabbing Nikon for forcing its
customers into having to choose EITHER resolution or speed but not
both. In the 1D, one gets both.
Click to expand...
That is prcisely the way I read and understood it, BUT I think it
might take
longer than most of us would like.

I would rate the absence of a multiplication factor evn more highly
than high resolution per se. If they introduce a high res CMOS in
the weatherprrofed 1D case I will be very happy, but I saspect we
might have to wait 2 -3 years. Somehow Canon seems to think that
the market for such a camera would be very small,
unfortunately...at least that´s what one of their product managers
told me :(

rotohr
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rotohr said:
If they introduce a high res CMOS in
the weatherprrofed 1D case I will be very happy, but I saspect we
might have to wait 2 -3 years. Somehow Canon seems to think that
the market for such a camera would be very small,
unfortunately...at least that´s what one of their product managers
told me :(

rotohr
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OK, how about a high res CMOS in an EOS 3-type case? I'd take that!

JC
 
JC said:
OK, how about a high res CMOS in an EOS 3-type case? I'd take that!
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Indeed! Even in the current D30 case and at the current frame rate,, just add 45 point AF and a slightly larger frame buffer..

Phred
 
You'd think this would be a fairly simple exercise wouldn't you.

Also, as Canon had a 6 Mp camera already in the Kodak/Canon tie-up, why has it taken so long for them to develop the 1D? Do they start with a clean sheet every time?

David
Phred said:
JC said:
OK, how about a high res CMOS in an EOS 3-type case? I'd take that!
Click to expand...
Indeed! Even in the current D30 case and at the current frame
rate,, just add 45 point AF and a slightly larger frame buffer..

Phred
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If its 2 years ....It won't matter..... if the 1D isn't good enough I will be shooting Nikon but at least I'm not going to make a judgement until I actualy test a 1d out.
zapp! said:
rotohr said:
jeffrey behr said:
I believe that Canon is merely jabbing Nikon for forcing its
customers into having to choose EITHER resolution or speed but not
both. In the 1D, one gets both.
Click to expand...
That is prcisely the way I read and understood it, BUT I think it
might take
longer than most of us would like.

I would rate the absence of a multiplication factor evn more highly
than high resolution per se. If they introduce a high res CMOS in
the weatherprrofed 1D case I will be very happy, but I saspect we
might have to wait 2 -3 years. Somehow Canon seems to think that
the market for such a camera would be very small,
unfortunately...at least that´s what one of their product managers
told me :(

rotohr
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Canon had a working 6mp CMOS version of the EOS-1D but it seems something has gone wrong with its development who knows what issues they had? Whatever the case it isn't released and if it isn't released soon Canon might be in deep trouble depending on the final file quality of the EOS-1D
David R Stout said:
Also, as Canon had a 6 Mp camera already in the Kodak/Canon tie-up,
why has it taken so long for them to develop the 1D? Do they start
with a clean sheet every time?

David
Phred said:
JC said:
OK, how about a high res CMOS in an EOS 3-type case? I'd take that!
Click to expand...
Indeed! Even in the current D30 case and at the current frame
rate,, just add 45 point AF and a slightly larger frame buffer..

Phred
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You stole my line. :-)

I wouldn't be suprised if Canon comes up with a higher pixel count camera in the future. Perhaps even a CMOS-based update to the D30. As much as I like the quality of the pictures coming from the D30, I wonder if it's softness isn't a function of smoothing CMOS noise. Canon might continue their "lower end" line with CMOS sensors (even those of higher pixel count), while reserving CCDs for their pro cameras. A higher pixel count would go a long way to adding detail back into shots after the smoothing.

Danny
David R Stout said:
David
Holger Ehlers said:
Doesn't look like Canon is working on something with higher
resolution...
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Daniel Lauring said:
I wonder if it's softness isn't a function of smoothing CMOS noise.
Canon might continue their "lower end" line with CMOS sensors (even
those of higher pixel count), while reserving CCDs for their pro
cameras. A higher pixel count would go a long way to adding detail
back into shots after the smoothing.
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Daniel,

did you ever look with Bibble at the raw files? It is quite apparent that the Canon raw converter does smooth a lot of detail away. However, you gain a well processed images (less aberation fringes and potentially less noise) for free.

Stefan
 
Michael Martin said:
Then go to Nikon then !!!!!
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Michael Martin is right!

As a mercenary equipment buyer, I'll use whatever does the job. For years I used Leica for 35mm. But when I needed auto-focus I went to Nikon. After a couple of years a quiet AF was needed, Canon fit the bill. When I decided to go digital, the D30-550EX combination was it, and still is. But I'm seriously considering the EOS-1D. Why? Because it uses quiet Canon lenses, is weather sealed, faster AF, and will handle up to 8x10's easily and 95 percent of my work is 8x10 and smaller.

Buy what does the job for you and let the manufacturers struggle to keep your business. If your about to post saying what about all of the lenses and support stuff you've already bought, maybe it's time to look at your favorite brand and make a long term decision.
 
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