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Dan said:
Hi Thom, I hope you don't mind a question directed to you. This is
kind of like my search for the fountain of youth.

I've been shooting Fuji for a relatively long time (4900, S602,
2300, A330, S1, S2, F700) and I am very pleased with the way it
reproduces skin tones (especially with flash). I was wondering if
you knew of a way to get those kind of results on a camera like the
D50, D70, or this D200. Everytime I switch brands (20D, 1D, 7D,
D50) I get really excited about the new camera for a few days, and
then I realize that I miss those Fujifilm colors. I spend hours
messing with the settings and it just isn't the same as Fuji.

Is there any way to get that Fujifilm look without using a Fujifilm
camera? I wish there was a plug-in I could use in Nikon Capture or
Capture 1 that could emulate Fujifilm's color processing.

I wish Fuji would come out with a camera with the speed and power
of these new DSLR's.
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Dan62326 said:
I'm tired of people bashing composite materials.
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I'm not bashing plastic body altogether. But IMO pro tool and $2500 price tag requires pro build.
Dan62326 said:
Who said it was weather-sealed? Just because it has advertised O-rings > doesn't mean a thing. I don't doubt its improved moisture resistance, but > who here shoots in the rain?
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Nikon officially confirmed that. BTW I regularly shoot in rain and snow.
Dan62326 said:
Bashing a D50? What on earth is wrong with a D50? I have a D50 and it's > a fine camera. I kept it over a 20D.
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I'm not bashing D50. What I want to say is that D50 is very good and cheap.
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You see, it's about final image quality. A quality that no other brand can > match
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According to imaging resource imatest result, S3pro has 11 stops of DR, but D50 is not much behind. (10 stops of DR) I doubt this one stop of DR can justify extra $$$
 
...I would buy the Fuji S3. I just think the D200 does not offer enough to justify upgrading from a D70, and it costs about twice as much.

Here's what I like about the D200:
-Apparently fast shutter release response.
-i-TTL (but that was expected).
-Mirror Lockup
-Matrix II
-Environmental sealing

Here's what I don't like (from most significant to least):

-Autofocus, CAM 1000, if Nikon is true to form we only get 1000 pixels total in the focus sensors. I'd rather have CAM 1300 from the F100 and 3 cross hatched sensors. Ideally of course I would like CAM 2000 for extremely reliable Closest-Focus-Priority AF, and fill flash performance (as it's linked to spot meters under the focus rectangles)
-Only 1/250 sec. flash sync.
-What looks like no high-speed FP sync.
-Not a Fuji sensor. SR type sensor would be really good for DR.

-Only 10 MP (12 expected). It would be nice if Nikon broke the 4000 pixel width of the image. 10 MP is also not an impressive number to laymen since their new point and shoot cameras will also have 10 MP.

So here's what I think. D200 is to D2x like D50 is to the D70. Simply, D200 seems like a little too-much stripped down version of the D2x, emphasis on "too-much".

To me, for the type of photography that I do, Fuji S3 just looks like a better value and a more practical camera (albeit with a lacking AF system for a professional camera).

Regards,
Przemek
NL said:
Considering that this camera will likely not be replaced for
another 3-4 years, I'm not sure it is enough and price wise it
needs to compete with the 20D not the 5D. My only caviat for this
statement is if the D200 turns out to have excellent ground
breaking high ISO performance (I'd be happy with a good noise free
6mp DSLR for my weddings)

I am a Nikon user and have a D70 and S3 pro kit. Being honest when
looking at the D200 other than shooting speed and iTTL I am
confident my S3 will deliver as much res and most likely more
pleasing images to the eye than the D200 and that is without
considering dynamic range. I also shoot landscapes for stock and
have been waiting for a digicam that is competive resolution wise
without weighing and costing as much as a house (D2x 1DS mkII) at
£570 the Sony R1 looks a credible alternative to the D200 (for this
type of photography only I am not advocating a digicam over a DSLR)
but as I have said on another thread my S3 is probably still better
than both of them.

8mp to 10mp is not a massive jump 8mp to 12mp is and at £1300 the
D200 looks expensive to me. The D100 was a competitor of the D60
and 10D, the D200 is a really in the same class as the 20D (and 30D
when it appears) I also predict that we will see a Canon 30D, 40D
and maybe even a 50D before we see a D300. This is not a Nikon vs
Canon thing but just something to consider for the enthusiast or
semi pro who wear out or replace bodies on a regular basis.

Don't get me wrong I may still buy one but I also may buy another
S3 instead. It's going to be an interesting few months.
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Good grief, what SPECTACULAR timing for a bloody EIGHT HOUR ELECTRICITY OUTAGE! I woke up this morning all excited to see the specs, annnnd... NO electricity...

I tell ya, what a day. Eight hours. Okay I'm done ranting. D200 looks sweet. I'm digging the AIS lens support. It's totally backwards and opposite-thinking from Canon. And it's exactly what I'm loving.

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I own an S2pro, and I like my S2pro, but I must say that your faults of the D200 are incorrect. First of all it apparently has FP (high speed) sync. Second, the 1/250 sync speed is faster than the 1/180 of the S3pro that you prefer. And 10mp in an SLR is very different than 10mp in a p&s camera, since the sensor is so much larger. The difference btw. 10mp and 12mp in an DX-sized sensor is not very big at all!

The D200 costs hundreds less than the S3pro at suggested pricing.

There's not enough sample images out for you to judge the dynamic range of the D200 vs. the S3pro. So, it's impossible to say if the D200 really doesn't meet your needs or not.

Consider also the incredibly slow write speeds of the S3pro.

Hence, I am waiting for an S3pro replacement before dumping my S2pro. In the meantime the D70 I used to own has been given away, and I'm waiting for my D200.

Anthony
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Here's what I like about the D200:
-Apparently fast shutter release response.
-i-TTL (but that was expected).
-Mirror Lockup
-Matrix II
-Environmental sealing

Here's what I don't like (from most significant to least):
-Autofocus, CAM 1000, if Nikon is true to form we only get 1000
pixels total in the focus sensors. I'd rather have CAM 1300 from
the F100 and 3 cross hatched sensors. Ideally of course I would
like CAM 2000 for extremely reliable Closest-Focus-Priority AF, and
fill flash performance (as it's linked to spot meters under the
focus rectangles)
-Only 1/250 sec. flash sync.
-What looks like no high-speed FP sync.
-Not a Fuji sensor. SR type sensor would be really good for DR.
-Only 10 MP (12 expected). It would be nice if Nikon broke the
4000 pixel width of the image. 10 MP is also not an impressive
number to laymen since their new point and shoot cameras will also
have 10 MP.

So here's what I think. D200 is to D2x like D50 is to the D70.
Simply, D200 seems like a little too-much stripped down version of
the D2x, emphasis on "too-much".

To me, for the type of photography that I do, Fuji S3 just looks
like a better value and a more practical camera (albeit with a
lacking AF system for a professional camera).

Regards,
Przemek
NL said:
Considering that this camera will likely not be replaced for
another 3-4 years, I'm not sure it is enough and price wise it
needs to compete with the 20D not the 5D. My only caviat for this
statement is if the D200 turns out to have excellent ground
breaking high ISO performance (I'd be happy with a good noise free
6mp DSLR for my weddings)

I am a Nikon user and have a D70 and S3 pro kit. Being honest when
looking at the D200 other than shooting speed and iTTL I am
confident my S3 will deliver as much res and most likely more
pleasing images to the eye than the D200 and that is without
considering dynamic range. I also shoot landscapes for stock and
have been waiting for a digicam that is competive resolution wise
without weighing and costing as much as a house (D2x 1DS mkII) at
£570 the Sony R1 looks a credible alternative to the D200 (for this
type of photography only I am not advocating a digicam over a DSLR)
but as I have said on another thread my S3 is probably still better
than both of them.

8mp to 10mp is not a massive jump 8mp to 12mp is and at £1300 the
D200 looks expensive to me. The D100 was a competitor of the D60
and 10D, the D200 is a really in the same class as the 20D (and 30D
when it appears) I also predict that we will see a Canon 30D, 40D
and maybe even a 50D before we see a D300. This is not a Nikon vs
Canon thing but just something to consider for the enthusiast or
semi pro who wear out or replace bodies on a regular basis.

Don't get me wrong I may still buy one but I also may buy another
S3 instead. It's going to be an interesting few months.
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It is totally unfair to say that especially when you haven't even seen CAM-1000. We haven't even read any reviews and most importantly, we don't even know the detailed specs of CAM-1000. Then how can you say that it is going to be slow.
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It's gonna be slow focusing for those that need it to be lighting
fast.
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Well. regarding the laymen, 10MP on a P&S is the same as 10MP on a DSLR. They don't know nor care about photosite density or such. 10MP and 12MP are close, but again not in the eyes of laymen.

Regarding the sync speed, 1/180 and 1/250 sec. is still enough, however D1x had 1/500 sec. and so do D70 and the D50.

Regarding FP sync, you are correct, I'm mistaken. D200 supports FP high speed sync.

I know someone who owns an S2. It produces superb image quality. I would like the improved dynamic range of the S3 though. I don't shoot a lot of action, therefore shot to shot speed is not critically important to me.

If Fuji comes out with S4 anytime soon and improves the body functionality, autofocus, and write speeds, they may as well come out with a D200 killer. Me, I just don't see the value I expected in the D200. I own 2 D70 and I just don't see D200 as a viable enough upgrade for what I shoot - which is macro, ladscape, and portraits, in an amateur capacity.

Kind Regards,
Przemek
Anthony said:
The D200 costs hundreds less than the S3pro at suggested pricing.

There's not enough sample images out for you to judge the dynamic
range of the D200 vs. the S3pro. So, it's impossible to say if the
D200 really doesn't meet your needs or not.

Consider also the incredibly slow write speeds of the S3pro.

Hence, I am waiting for an S3pro replacement before dumping my
S2pro. In the meantime the D70 I used to own has been given away,
and I'm waiting for my D200.

Anthony
instamatic said:
Here's what I like about the D200:
-Apparently fast shutter release response.
-i-TTL (but that was expected).
-Mirror Lockup
-Matrix II
-Environmental sealing

Here's what I don't like (from most significant to least):
-Autofocus, CAM 1000, if Nikon is true to form we only get 1000
pixels total in the focus sensors. I'd rather have CAM 1300 from
the F100 and 3 cross hatched sensors. Ideally of course I would
like CAM 2000 for extremely reliable Closest-Focus-Priority AF, and
fill flash performance (as it's linked to spot meters under the
focus rectangles)
-Only 1/250 sec. flash sync.
-What looks like no high-speed FP sync.
-Not a Fuji sensor. SR type sensor would be really good for DR.
-Only 10 MP (12 expected). It would be nice if Nikon broke the
4000 pixel width of the image. 10 MP is also not an impressive
number to laymen since their new point and shoot cameras will also
have 10 MP.

So here's what I think. D200 is to D2x like D50 is to the D70.
Simply, D200 seems like a little too-much stripped down version of
the D2x, emphasis on "too-much".

To me, for the type of photography that I do, Fuji S3 just looks
like a better value and a more practical camera (albeit with a
lacking AF system for a professional camera).

Regards,
Przemek
NL said:
Considering that this camera will likely not be replaced for
another 3-4 years, I'm not sure it is enough and price wise it
needs to compete with the 20D not the 5D. My only caviat for this
statement is if the D200 turns out to have excellent ground
breaking high ISO performance (I'd be happy with a good noise free
6mp DSLR for my weddings)

I am a Nikon user and have a D70 and S3 pro kit. Being honest when
looking at the D200 other than shooting speed and iTTL I am
confident my S3 will deliver as much res and most likely more
pleasing images to the eye than the D200 and that is without
considering dynamic range. I also shoot landscapes for stock and
have been waiting for a digicam that is competive resolution wise
without weighing and costing as much as a house (D2x 1DS mkII) at
£570 the Sony R1 looks a credible alternative to the D200 (for this
type of photography only I am not advocating a digicam over a DSLR)
but as I have said on another thread my S3 is probably still better
than both of them.

8mp to 10mp is not a massive jump 8mp to 12mp is and at £1300 the
D200 looks expensive to me. The D100 was a competitor of the D60
and 10D, the D200 is a really in the same class as the 20D (and 30D
when it appears) I also predict that we will see a Canon 30D, 40D
and maybe even a 50D before we see a D300. This is not a Nikon vs
Canon thing but just something to consider for the enthusiast or
semi pro who wear out or replace bodies on a regular basis.

Don't get me wrong I may still buy one but I also may buy another
S3 instead. It's going to be an interesting few months.
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Well, if all you have to offer to clients is a camera with more MPs then their P&S, then you should probably switch your profession.

I´m no Pro, but I have seen Pros working with supposedly inferior cameras and I have seen them produce much better pictures yet.
 
We got my wife a D50 to take on a cruse to Alaska. Kind of a high risk camera that would avoid the use of one of our Fuji DSLRs we use for pro work. Now that we have had it for a while it has turned into everybody's favorite. The pictures are great the feel is wonderful, and pretty fast if you are not Roland the Headless Thompson Gunner. It will also sync with my old Metz 60CT4 flash at 1/4000 sec......sweet! Stop action flash photography at 50 to 100 feet. Who could ask for more?..........well.....real time WiFi would be nice.
 
1.5 was chosen because it was the smallest size they could get away with, this made sensors/cameras cheaper to produce. This is an economic balance.

The best photographic balance would be where you maximize the size of the sensor (and also viewfinder) while minimizing the edge aberations and vignetting. This balance is certainly closer to 1.3 crop than 1.5. Maybe 1.2 would still qualify, but since 1.3 is something of a standard and is certainly closer to the photographic balance, that is what I would prefer.
Dan said:
Livio Spallone said:
the best would have been a 1.3 crop,
a pity Nikon would not give us a sensor like Canon 1d
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I can’t actually believe all of the complaining about this camera. It’s not even out yet folks. The auto focus is not fast enough (it has not even been tested yet) but I'm sure it will be MUCH faster than the cameras you are comparing it to (S3 and 20D). The flash sync is not 1/500 but its much faster than the fuji and the 5D. What the heck did people want in a $1700 camera? Some one else stated this but I will also, this is essentially a digital f100 (which costs about $1000) so all of the digital components costs just $700. I think that we are starting to reach a point of maturity in the digital technology race where prices are becoming reasonable and technology will not be progressing at the same rate it was when the D100 was introduced (D1 2.7 mp and then the d100 6.1 mp for way less money)

I am a Canon shooter but this camera has caught my attention because its everything I wish Canon would bring out. People say it does not compete with the 5D (full frame is not the be all that canon wants you to think it is). The D200 actually outclasses the 5D in most other specs. (weather sealing -> huge, frame rate, buffer for raw, cost -> it almost half the price!) The D200 is heads and shoulders above the 20D for only about $300-400 more and the D200 blows the s3 (joke of a body) out of the water and still costs $300 or so less.

If I were a Nikon shooter I would be anxiously anticipation the release of probably the best price to performance DSLR to be released yet. You get almost the performance of the $5000 D2X for about 40% of the cost (don’t say 12 mp is soooo much of a difference than 12 because it isn't). This is the digital EOS 3 or F100 that everyone has been waiting for ENJOY. I just may.

Jay
 
it's nice to hear some common sense.

You should wait.....I'm sure you have a few lenses. Switching camps isn't the answer. I havent commented on this before because I couldnt get any definite answer from the guy. (plus he might have been down on me because I shoot Nikon).

But, anyways. I live in Japan and teach english. I had an engineer come in that designs the processors for Canon (not the sensors or bodies or anything like that.......just the processors - and yes, he was for real).

This Engineer made some remarks to my badgering questions. Will canon have some type of follow up for the 20d? What is coming in the near future? yadda yadda.

He said just wait and see - Canon has some very exciting product releases coming up!

Key word here is some . This was a month or so before the 5d and the 24-105. But, this answer came after I asked specifically about the 20d.

I honestly believe that he was hinting (the japanese are very criptic) about a 20d replacement.

If it's coming and I'm sure it is......wow the sparks are going to be flying on the canon and nikon forums.

nice to hear your logic and common sense Jason. I would say be patient.....Canon has an answer to this camera. I'm not going to say it will be better - I will however bet that it will be more expensive. I'll also bet that it gets announced before christmas.

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most well discussed cross brand thread I've seen here. Good to see decent discussion on stuff without bashing. While I may not agree with the original poster, the resulting threads have had some great discussions.

Both brands create fine tools, and thats what they are. Once camera isnt better or "vs" another. It's what suits your needs. I went from a D100 to a D2h because I got into shooting birds and needed speed. I still use my D100 for family type stuff when my wife isnt using it. Like here on halloween:





Good to see some common sense talk again...

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Yeah I doubt that I will be switching brands. The direction that canon is heading is not one I am a fan of though (only weather sealed gigantic, heavy pro bodies and full fame or bust). I was actually lurking around the Olympus E-1 forum recently because I want a smaller weather proof body and the telephoto enhancement of smaller sensors for wildlife/nature and backpacking photography. I need one system to do it all. (I can’t afford 2 systems) The d200 would fit my requirements almost perfectly.

I just can’t get over all the complaining around here about the D200. I don’t know what the expectation was around here for this release but I was at least impressed. Possibly many of the complainers are not regulars here to begin with and have just shown up to whine.

Was there something I was missing? Did the D2X receive this kind of beating last year? People seam to think that the D2X is a fine camera but then why not the D200? (it is very comparable for way less money) It's impossible to please everyone and people who are disappointed are always the loudest. I’m not sure what else was expected of this announcement.

Jay
 
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