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Considering that this camera will likely not be replaced for another 3-4 years, I'm not sure it is enough and price wise it needs to compete with the 20D not the 5D. My only caviat for this statement is if the D200 turns out to have excellent ground breaking high ISO performance (I'd be happy with a good noise free 6mp DSLR for my weddings)

I am a Nikon user and have a D70 and S3 pro kit. Being honest when looking at the D200 other than shooting speed and iTTL I am confident my S3 will deliver as much res and most likely more pleasing images to the eye than the D200 and that is without considering dynamic range. I also shoot landscapes for stock and have been waiting for a digicam that is competive resolution wise without weighing and costing as much as a house (D2x 1DS mkII) at £570 the Sony R1 looks a credible alternative to the D200 (for this type of photography only I am not advocating a digicam over a DSLR) but as I have said on another thread my S3 is probably still better than both of them.

8mp to 10mp is not a massive jump 8mp to 12mp is and at £1300 the D200 looks expensive to me. The D100 was a competitor of the D60 and 10D, the D200 is a really in the same class as the 20D (and 30D when it appears) I also predict that we will see a Canon 30D, 40D and maybe even a 50D before we see a D300. This is not a Nikon vs Canon thing but just something to consider for the enthusiast or semi pro who wear out or replace bodies on a regular basis.

Don't get me wrong I may still buy one but I also may buy another S3 instead. It's going to be an interesting few months.
 
NL said:
I am a Nikon user and have a D70 and S3 pro kit. Being honest when
looking at the D200 other than shooting speed and iTTL I am
confident my S3 will deliver as much res and most likely more
pleasing images to the eye than the D200 and that is without
considering dynamic range.
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If that turns out to be so, I will have to reconsider the S3 instead of the D200. D200 will be cheaper than S3 is (in Europe and USA).

New replacing model might come out much sooner than in 3,5 years. D70s came year after D70. D200s might be as soon and something better the year after (= 2 yr replacement strategy with facelift in 1 yr).

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Osku
 
NL said:
Considering that this camera will likely not be replaced for
another 3-4 years, I'm not sure it is enough and price wise it
needs to compete with the 20D not the 5D. My only caviat for this
statement is if the D200 turns out to have excellent ground
breaking high ISO performance (I'd be happy with a good noise free
6mp DSLR for my weddings)

I am a Nikon user and have a D70 and S3 pro kit. Being honest when
looking at the D200 other than shooting speed and iTTL I am
confident my S3 will deliver as much res and most likely more
pleasing images to the eye than the D200 and that is without
considering dynamic range. I also shoot landscapes for stock and
have been waiting for a digicam that is competive resolution wise
without weighing and costing as much as a house (D2x 1DS mkII) at
£570 the Sony R1 looks a credible alternative to the D200 (for this
type of photography only I am not advocating a digicam over a DSLR)
but as I have said on another thread my S3 is probably still better
than both of them.

8mp to 10mp is not a massive jump 8mp to 12mp is and at £1300 the
D200 looks expensive to me. The D100 was a competitor of the D60
and 10D, the D200 is a really in the same class as the 20D (and 30D
when it appears) I also predict that we will see a Canon 30D, 40D
and maybe even a 50D before we see a D300. This is not a Nikon vs
Canon thing but just something to consider for the enthusiast or
semi pro who wear out or replace bodies on a regular basis.

Don't get me wrong I may still buy one but I also may buy another
S3 instead. It's going to be an interesting few months.
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If we leave the sensor performance aside, since nobody knows anything about that yet, considering the specs and build quality of the body, the price looks very low to me.
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... what I miss is the romored 8-fps high-speed-crop.

so the the D200 is a very nice camera the price in europe is way to high and in 6 month it looks old vs. the new Canon 20D IMHO.

thats Nikon
 
That's what I payed for my D100 two years ago last month and my D70,D100,S2 combo can hold me for another year easilly. By then we will all see how the D200 shakes out.

As you said , I need a good high ISO decent dynamic range 6 MP camera for weddings and portrait work but I've done very well with this combo I mentioned above, I'm not sure what I even need 10 MP for quite honestly, it's just more file to process but I'll take dynamic range and handling features along with low noise at 1600 !! The sealed body interests me for beach portrait sessions and fowl weather weddings as well.

Sounds like a great camera to me, time will tell. I'll wait a year.
David
NL said:
Considering that this camera will likely not be replaced for
another 3-4 years, I'm not sure it is enough and price wise it
needs to compete with the 20D not the 5D. My only caviat for this
statement is if the D200 turns out to have excellent ground
breaking high ISO performance (I'd be happy with a good noise free
6mp DSLR for my weddings)

I am a Nikon user and have a D70 and S3 pro kit. Being honest when
looking at the D200 other than shooting speed and iTTL I am
confident my S3 will deliver as much res and most likely more
pleasing images to the eye than the D200 and that is without
considering dynamic range. I also shoot landscapes for stock and
have been waiting for a digicam that is competive resolution wise
without weighing and costing as much as a house (D2x 1DS mkII) at
£570 the Sony R1 looks a credible alternative to the D200 (for this
type of photography only I am not advocating a digicam over a DSLR)
but as I have said on another thread my S3 is probably still better
than both of them.

8mp to 10mp is not a massive jump 8mp to 12mp is and at £1300 the
D200 looks expensive to me. The D100 was a competitor of the D60
and 10D, the D200 is a really in the same class as the 20D (and 30D
when it appears) I also predict that we will see a Canon 30D, 40D
and maybe even a 50D before we see a D300. This is not a Nikon vs
Canon thing but just something to consider for the enthusiast or
semi pro who wear out or replace bodies on a regular basis.

Don't get me wrong I may still buy one but I also may buy another
S3 instead. It's going to be an interesting few months.
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I agree with you that the D200 is targeted at the 20D contrary to Phils statement. But if the D200 delivers in image quality I cannot imagine what anymore could be asked of the D200 even 3 years down the road. I think 10 MP will go a long long way into the future :)
 
This appears to be the landscape camera and back up camera that I need now.
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Geoff
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NL said:
Considering that this camera will likely not be replaced for
another 3-4 years, I'm not sure it is enough and price wise it
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That is a consideration only - same thing as to predict the next number on the roulette table based upon the past numbers: Roulette balls don't have a memory!

Maybe they come out with a successor in two years? Maybe in three??
Nobody knows...
NL said:
considering dynamic range. I also shoot landscapes for stock and
have been waiting for a digicam that is competive resolution wise
without weighing and costing as much as a house (D2x 1DS mkII) at
£570 the Sony R1 looks a credible alternative to the D200 (for this
type of photography only I am not advocating a digicam over a DSLR)
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I think an R1 is the wrong tool for that - see esp. there
http://www.dpreview.com/articles/sonydscr1/page10.asp
(ok, that's preliminary as it is a pre-production model tested, but...)
NL said:
but as I have said on another thread my S3 is probably still better
than both of them.
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In any case better for stock photography than the Sony R1!
NL said:
8mp to 10mp is not a massive jump 8mp to 12mp is and at £1300 the
D200 looks expensive to me. The D100 was a competitor of the D60
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I find the starting price more than fair for what's offered.
NL said:
and 10D, the D200 is a really in the same class as the 20D (and 30D
when it appears) I also predict that we will see a Canon 30D, 40D
and maybe even a 50D before we see a D300. This is not a Nikon vs
Canon thing but just something to consider for the enthusiast or
semi pro who wear out or replace bodies on a regular basis.
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Yes, Canon tries to sell you more cameras in a given timeframe than Nikon does - but see what Canon offered at the time the D100 was sold...
NL said:
Don't get me wrong I may still buy one but I also may buy another
S3 instead. It's going to be an interesting few months.
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I think a D200 wil complement your S3 very well (as far as one can say from the D200 specs).

kind regards

Juergen
 
It's the digital F100 !!!, the camera I have beent waiting for to switch to digital. It's a mature digital camera with the build quality and features to go with (not crippled in any way). 10MP is plenty, and more than film is capable of. I just hope the AF system and high ISO performance is good.

Nikon came trough big time!!!

PS: I am getting one
 
Christoph S. said:
Christoph S. said:
the body, the price looks very low to me.
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if you life in US then yes, but 2400 USD here in Europe is a check
IMHO.
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1699 EUR including VAT is suggested pricing (by Nikon) in Germany. That is only 3,3 % more than the USA suggested price, since you have to compare the German price withou VAT (if you personally export one to USA you get the VAT back, and if you personally iport one from USA you have to pay the VAT, and the USA price is also without the sales tax).

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Osku
 
I cannot understand the original poster... fuji S3 is a toy.. toy body (F80) awful viewfinder, slooow, huuge raw files, bulky AA batteries and way overpriced...

A camera has to feel good , be responsive, decent viewfinder... this D200 is a landmark.. it brings it all.. it will bring prices down on all camera's 5D, S3 for sure, D2X... and others.

good job Nikon !

Ronny (Belgium)
(Nikon D2x)
 
The D200 looks pretty interesting to me.

It is not really a mildly tweaked D100, it seems to have stepped up a class - not quite D2x but a significant step closer than the D70. In may ways it is like a digital F100 and I reckon this now suggests Nikon are looking to fill new niches rather than just keep upgrading the existing models.

First evidence of the beginnings of a more stable, more mature DSLR market?
NL said:
Considering that this camera will likely not be replaced for
another 3-4 years, I'm not sure it is enough and price wise it
needs to compete with the 20D not the 5D. My only caviat for this
statement is if the D200 turns out to have excellent ground
breaking high ISO performance (I'd be happy with a good noise free
6mp DSLR for my weddings)

I am a Nikon user and have a D70 and S3 pro kit. Being honest when
looking at the D200 other than shooting speed and iTTL I am
confident my S3 will deliver as much res and most likely more
pleasing images to the eye than the D200 and that is without
considering dynamic range. I also shoot landscapes for stock and
have been waiting for a digicam that is competive resolution wise
without weighing and costing as much as a house (D2x 1DS mkII) at
£570 the Sony R1 looks a credible alternative to the D200 (for this
type of photography only I am not advocating a digicam over a DSLR)
but as I have said on another thread my S3 is probably still better
than both of them.

8mp to 10mp is not a massive jump 8mp to 12mp is and at £1300 the
D200 looks expensive to me. The D100 was a competitor of the D60
and 10D, the D200 is a really in the same class as the 20D (and 30D
when it appears) I also predict that we will see a Canon 30D, 40D
and maybe even a 50D before we see a D300. This is not a Nikon vs
Canon thing but just something to consider for the enthusiast or
semi pro who wear out or replace bodies on a regular basis.

Don't get me wrong I may still buy one but I also may buy another
S3 instead. It's going to be an interesting few months.
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reading through the specs I don't see what there is to complain about at this price point. It's one hell of a camera for $1600!

the 20d doesn't compare on paper - the 5d is going to be this camera's competition unless canon does release a 30d at a closer price point.

I too think it looks like a digital F100.
I really hope the viewfinder is as good as the F100's.

Ian
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