Photog Arrested In Texas

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just because it's in public doesn't give some perv the right to shoot up a woman's skirt or take any other photograph that's in appropriate.
i'm sure the cops found the pics on this guys camera, that violate the law.
he should be arrested.

kids should be allowed to go to public places. you don't just leave them in the house. what kind of person are you?

this was a family event that these people were at and this guy was obviously out there to take perverted pictures of them without their concent.

not sure why you'd be sticking up for him.
 
And I mean that good-naturedly ;)

The video may have shown a bit of what you say you saw, but what I also saw was 4 cops who already had the guy under their control (pinned against a wall, face to the wall) take it to the next level and punch him in the head several times. NOTHING excuses that behavior unless he was so out of control to be lashing out at them... which wasn't possible as he was pinned face-down against a wall.

I ALWAYS believe there are two sides to the story and I'm never one to jump and say someone is a victim if they aren't, but the NOPD was so clearly in the wrong in this case it's hard to believe anyone saw it any differently.

But thanks for sharing your views, even if we disagree ;)

Amy
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Creativity is allowing yourself to make mistakes. Art is knowing which ones to keep.



http://www.nyphotos.net ~ http://www.something-fishy.com/photography
 
and deal with it.
Photos were taken at a street fair. Here is the article.

http://www.nbc5i.com/news/5086442/detail.html

Now here is a quote from the article by police.

You're committing an offense if, a) you're taking a picture of a
person who hasn't given you consent to do so, and b) that picture
is for the sexual gratification of any person," Douglas said.

I have a real problem with a) especially at a public street fair.
I goes against everything I have understood about shooting in a
public place. Of course this is Texas but still. Any opinions?

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John
 
Griswold is not Bush. Bush is President, he is selcting the court.
Yep. Elections have consequences. Under our system of government and according to the Constitution, the president gets to nominate Supreme Court justices, and if he can get a majority to vote 'Yea' on them they get on the Court.

For whatever reason, the majority of the voters who vote in this country voted for the current president and for the majority party in the Senate. That's why Bush won, that's why the GOP is the majority party, and until the Dems win back control of either the Senate or the White House that's how it's going to be.

What's all this have to do with some pervert being arrested in Texas?
 
fools and jackbooted thugs, those are kind words to use in your

logical argument. you talk civil debate,but your intolerence to any other > view shows thru.
I admit it. I have a massive intolerance for ignorance and stupidity. I also cannot take seriously anyone who pulls a couple words out of context and objects to them not for how they were used in context but for the words themselves.
i dought your view has ever been changed by anyone you don't agree
with.
Not with an argument this weak and spelled this badly, it hasn't.
 
1. we have no evidence that he was a pervert.
2. we have no evience that Bush is competent to pick a judge who is competent.

3. under our democracy, the majority is not allowed to do certein things .. such as overutnr the ruie of law. ooops.
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1. we have no evidence that he was a pervert.
Well, the police found enough evidence to arrest him. Let's say, for the sake of argument, that he is an alleged pervert.
2. we have no evience that Bush is competent to pick a judge who is
competent.
Geez... John Roberts just got confirmed by a large majority of the Senate including a majority of the Democrats, including Senator Patrick Leahy, the highest-ranking Democrat on the Senate Judiciary Committee. That looks like prima facie evidence of competency to me. And besides, do you assume everyone is incompetent until proven incompetent? Isn't that like assuming everyone is guilty until proven innocent?

You may not LIKE his choices, but he has the legitimate authority to make those choices because he won his election and his party controls the Senate.

This is what is wrong with American politics at this time. The minority refuses to follow the rules of the system when they're not running the system. How long can any democracy last when the losers are unwilling to abide by the results of elections?
3. under our democracy, the majority is not allowed to do certein
things .. such as overutnr the ruie of law. ooops.
So, tell me how following the Constitution and nominating someone for the Supreme Court that perhaps you disagree with is "overturning the rule of law."

Tell me how investigating, and then arresting a man in TX who has been charged with a crime based upon evidence seized at the time of his arrest, namely shots of children's private parts, is "overturning the rule of law."

I'm interested. Seriously.
 
When I hear people calling for Bush's
assassination, then "hate" is appropriate.
Maybe they wouldn't feel that way if he wasn't so busy trying to assassinate/overthrow foreign leaders who disagree with his policies, like Hugo Chavez, for example.
Puh-lease.... How has Bush "introduced a climate of fear"?
"If you're not with us, you're against us". IOW, dissent is now a no-no. Like Michael Moore, whatever you may think of him, receiving death threats and hate mail after his Oscar speech.
Did Bush make al Quaeda attack us on 9/11?
A Zogby poll last year found that 51% of New Yorkers believed that the Bush administration had foreknowledge of the attacks yet failed to act. Many of those same New Yorkers were probably in the audience at this event:

http://rense.com/general68/caseforWTCtower.htm
Did Bush cause the Madrid
bombings? The London bombings? The Bali bombings?
Maybe not directly, but one can still be guilty of murder even if he doesn't pull the trigger:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=20051014&articleId=1085
The beheading of Western hostages?
This came up the other week but the thread seems to have disappeared. Fortunately I bookmarked the link:

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/05/28/1085641717320.html#

"In the final segment of the tape, Berg is thrown to the ground, but doesn't move. During the decapitation, starting at the front of the throat, there is little sign of blood. The scream is wildly out of sync, sounds female, and is obviously dubbed.

"Dr John Simpson, executive director for surgical affairs at the Royal Australasian College of Surgeons, told Ritt Goldstein of the Asia Times, "I would have thought that all the people in the vicinity would have been covered in blood, in a matter of seconds ... if it [the video] was genuine".
The jackbooted
thugs aren't marching in our world
If they were then it would probably be too late.

"The cost of liberty...
... unless it's the International
ANSWER/anarchist types who use violence to silence those who
counterprotest.
Can you substantiate that claim?
 
the losers are unwilling to abide by the results of elections?
You mean like those who would've lost, ie Bush-Cheney, had they not illegaly removed over 90,000 voters from the roles in Florida in the runup to the 2000 election? Similar shenanigans occurred in 2004.
 
When I hear people calling for Bush's
assassination, then "hate" is appropriate.
Maybe they wouldn't feel that way if he wasn't so busy trying to
assassinate/overthrow foreign leaders who disagree with his
policies, like Hugo Chavez, for example.
So "hate" is appropriate then. We agree. You just think it's justified. And, of course, you offer no evidence to substantiate your justification.
Puh-lease.... How has Bush "introduced a climate of fear"?
"If you're not with us, you're against us". IOW, dissent is now a
no-no. Like Michael Moore, whatever you may think of him, receiving
death threats and hate mail after his Oscar speech.
That's not what Bush meant and you know it. Bush was referring to countries that harbored terrorists... countries like Iran, Syria, Iraq, etc., and putting them on notice that we were coming after the terrorists and they could either hand them over or we'd go in and get them.

I'll see your Michael Moore death threats and raise them with **** Cheney, George Bush, Richard Perleman, and Donald Rumsfeld death threats. The kooks on the right make death threats towards idiots like Moore. The mainstream left makes death threats against the president and his supporters.
Did Bush make al Quaeda attack us on 9/11?
A Zogby poll last year found that 51% of New Yorkers believed that
the Bush administration had foreknowledge of the attacks yet failed
to act. Many of those same New Yorkers were probably in the
audience at this event:
So... a poll means that this is FACT? A poll is OPINION, not fact. Your answer doesn't answer the question... unless your answer is, "Some people believe he did so that makes them right and him evil." And that would be a stupid answer, and not worthy of further discussion.
Did Bush cause the Madrid
bombings? The London bombings? The Bali bombings?
Maybe not directly, but one can still be guilty of murder even if
he doesn't pull the trigger:
By this standard we are all guilty of murder. How ridiculous.

What I don't get about the anti-Bush types is that they are willing to hold Bush accountable for all this... but not bin Laden or the Islamofascists. Further, they are willing to see Bush punished severely... but not the Islamofascists.

How can anyone take you seriously when you are more angry with George Bush, a president who had been in office less than eight months and who was having difficulty getting his administration appointments through the Democratically-controlled Senate, than you are with bin Laden who has CLAIMED responsibility for 9/11, or with Saddam Hussein who has bragged about the hundreds of thousands he's killed? When you blame the victims of terrorists but not the terrorists themselves?
The beheading of Western hostages?
This came up the other week but the thread seems to have
disappeared. Fortunately I bookmarked the link:

"Dr John Simpson, executive director for surgical affairs at the
Royal Australasian College of Surgeons, told Ritt Goldstein of the
Asia Times, "I would have thought that all the people in the
vicinity would have been covered in blood, in a matter of seconds
... if it [the video] was genuine".
Let's see. They found the guy's body. And his head. Separated by a knife. A dull knife. Wearing the outfit as portrayed in the video. The blood-stained outfit. You know, from getting his head sawn off with a dull knife. Even his father, who hates Bush with a passion, doesn't dispute the fact that al Quaeda killed his son.

You're not seriously suggesting that this didn't happen, are you?
The jackbooted
thugs aren't marching in our world
If they were then it would probably be too late.
Then QUIT claiming they are!
... unless it's the International
ANSWER/anarchist types who use violence to silence those who
counterprotest.
Can you substantiate that claim?
LOL!

YOU have claimed that Bush at the very least knew that 9/11 was going to happen but failed to act, that Bush is responsible for terrorist attacks on the West, and that Nicholas Berg wasn't beheaded on live TV. You have not offered ONE SHRED of evidence to support your claims. Yet, now, you insist that I offer proof?

Here's proof: http://hq.protestwarrior.com/?page=/featured/HTTC/HTTC.php

Read the article and look at the videos that show the anarchists physically assaulting people who are exercising their First Amendment rights, and then ask youself why, if the fascists are all on the Right, is it safe to protest a pro-Bush rally but not an anti-Bush rally?
 
the losers are unwilling to abide by the results of elections?
You mean like those who would've lost, ie Bush-Cheney, had they not
illegaly removed over 90,000 voters from the roles in Florida in
the runup to the 2000 election? Similar shenanigans occurred in
2004.
Bull$hit. Did the Gore campaign sue based upon this? Nope, because even they weren't this desperate. Who ran the election departments in these counties? Democrats, that's who! Who tried to throw out the absentee military ballots in Florida in 2000? Democrats, that's who. When the MSM did an investigation, they found that Al Gore MAYBE just MAYBE might have had a chance of winning IF the most liberal recounting method were followed statewide (a method that violated the existing election law). Any revoting method that followed the existing law had Bush winning. And that's why Bush won in the Supreme Court: you can't change the rules during the middle of an election.

The reason Al Gore sued to recount in just three counties instead of the entire state was because he knew that Democrats controlled the election boards in those counties and he counted on them to throw it his way. What he didn't count on was the Bush campaign taking things to the US Supreme Court and winning.

Bush won. Gore lost. In 2004 Bush won and Kerry lost. Get over it. MoveOn... as they say.
 
I do understand your concern.

On the other hand, let's not forget that one of HCB most famous picture is one of a boy proudly carrying bottles in Paris...

This image has value, just like any other PJ work.

Our image means little to us, but we are part of our time, and there is therefore some value in being pictured as part of our time. The boy of HCB had no idea that the photographer in front of him was to remain one of the greatest genius of the history of photography.

I am not saying that a man filming young boys during a swimming event is the next HCB, and there is definitely something dodgy about his behaviour that justifies your reactions, but I wouldn't find proper or relevant to prohibit pictures of children in public places.

Regards,
Bernard
 
Henri Cartier-Bresson wasn't taking pictures of little boys' butts and crotches. He was using wide-angle lenses, and he would be perfectly legal under the TX law that caught this particular alleged pederast.
 
From the other side of the coin, I must admit, I was in the city a
few months ago and some guy is standing in the mall taking photos.
It looked like the camera was aimed directly to my DD who was on my
DH's sholders. I looked twice at him, gave the benefit of the doubt
but when we got within metres of him he started shooting again and
the camera was aimed directly at my DD. That nerved me and my DH
said something to him. I didn't like the idea that this guy seemed
to be taking pics of my daughter and my not knowing why or who.
My guess - he thought it would make a nice picture of a little girl riding at her fathers shoulders. Sounds like a fun picture. Most of us should have thought that the picture is not all that intersting without knowing the girl and father. But - it is not a crime to be slightly different.

Roland
 
So "hate" is appropriate then. We agree. You just think it's
justified. And, of course, you offer no evidence to substantiate
your justification.
It's not that I think it's justified, but it's not surprising that people get worked up. Anyway, hate is not the correct term. You don't hate a criminal, you just want them brought to justice. Now if the system fails to do that then that situation will cause many to react.
"If you're not with us, you're against us".
That's not what Bush meant and you know it.
But that's what's happened. If you disagree with Bush's means of dealing with terrorism, like invading Iraq for example, you're accused of being unpatriotic, a terrorist sympathizer, etc.
I'll see your Michael Moore death threats and raise them with ****
Cheney, George Bush, Richard Perleman, and Donald Rumsfeld death
threats.
I disagree with such threats to anybody, regardless of their position.
A Zogby poll last year found that 51% of New Yorkers believed that
the Bush administration had foreknowledge of the attacks yet failed
to act. Many of those same New Yorkers were probably in the
audience at this event:
So... a poll means that this is FACT? A poll is OPINION, not fact.
A poll gives a good indication of people's feelings about a particular topic. But what you're dismissing is that the government's story is also opinion, because it has never been proven. There has been no independent investigation nor have the accused been found guilty in a court of law.

See here: At Least 7 of the 9/11 Hijackers are Still Alive
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/hijackers.html

"If those who hijacked the 9/11 airplanes were using stolen identities, then we don't know who they were or who they worked for. We can't. It's impossible."

"In September 2002, [FBI Director Robert Mueller] told CNN twice that there is "no legal proof to prove the identities of the suicidal hijackers."

Mirror of the original Insight news article:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/fbi_denies_mix_up_of_911_terrorists.htm
What I don't get about the anti-Bush types is that they are willing
to hold Bush accountable for all this... but not bin Laden or the
Islamofascists. Further, they are willing to see Bush punished
severely... but not the Islamofascists.
That's not my way. If you disagreed with the invasion of Iraq because of the refusal of the U.N. to back it because there wasn't enough evidence, that does not make you anti-Bush, it does not make you pro-Saddam.
How can anyone take you seriously when you are more angry with
George Bush, a president who had been in office less than eight
months and who was having difficulty getting his administration
appointments through the Democratically-controlled Senate, than you
are with bin Laden who has CLAIMED responsibility for 9/11,
When did he claim that?

http://www.pbs.org/flashpointsusa/20040629/infocus/topic_01/timeline_sep2001.html

"September 16, 2001

Osama bin Laden denies any involvement in the 9/11 attacks in a statement to Al Jazeera television, saying, "I would like to assure the world that I did not plan the recent attacks, which seems to have been planned by people for personal reasons."

You must be talking about the video "confession":
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/osamatape.html

On Fox & Friends, Oct 10 2004, Ann Coulter admitted that Osama was dead:

HOST: [Bush said to Kerry] "You can run, but you can't hide." That's what he said about Osama bin Laden.

COULTER: I hope the results are similar, since Osama is D-E-A-D, dead in Tora Bora since December, 2001"

http://www.bradblog.com/archives/00001939.htm

Nobody claims to know all that happened that day but any honest person has to admit that, all things considered, there is a prima facie case for a full and independent investigation - something the Bush administration, true to its record of secrecy, has steadfastly refused.
Saddam Hussein who has bragged about the hundreds of thousands
he's killed?
With the backing of the U.S and its allies no doubt. What everyone forgets is that most of Saddam's worst crimes against humanity were carried out before the 1990-1 Gulf War, when he was a puppet of the U.S. Where was all the objection and calls for his ouster then?
Let's see. They found the guy's body. ...................
You're not seriously suggesting that this didn't happen, are you?
Could be, that is classic COINTELPRO stuff - but I was quoting the Australian medical expert who cast doubts on the authenicity of the video. Read it again.
If they were then it would probably be too late.
Then QUIT claiming they are!
Can't you see that we are oh so very close to that? Already the president has the power to put away anybody of his choosing, with no due process of law:

U.S. Can Confine Citizens Without Charges, Court Rules

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/09/AR2005090900772.html
Can you substantiate that claim?
Perhaps that is just one isolated incident. But is there any proof that they are actually who they say, and not some goon squad dressed up as anti-Bush supporters?

Similar things have happened. In Seattle in 1999, the protest, although large, was going very peacefully until suddenly a group purporting to be protesters started smashing up Starbucks. Strange... more trademark COINTELPRO agency stuff.
 
on the one hand, the usa is so messed up that it can't even run the war in iraq correctly, yet on the other, you see bush's well-planned and brilliantly executed plots and conspiracies everywhere...plots undiscovered except for the work of web sites with less than objective views on bush/main stream media/the usa in general. the site you cite below has quotes taken out of context or without any contest what-so-ever, assumes that every u.s official is lying, assumes the american media is lying , and yet accepts comments from saudi government officials who say the hijackers were not (heaven forfend!) saudi. the theories even contradict each other and get posted so long as they are anti-bush.

i have opinions about bush and this administration, some positive, some negative (same for clinton), but to post such things are the site below is the same as accusing the clintons of killing off their enemies. after a while, such thoughts should only be thought wearing an aluminum foil hat.

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See here: At Least 7 of the 9/11 Hijackers are Still Alive
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/hijackers.html
 
Bull$hit.
You can be forgiven for not knowing about this. After all, the only American outfit to cover this was salon.com,

Monday Dec 4, 2000

"Salon.com's Politics Story of the Year. Florida Republican leaders hired a private firm to vet the rolls for felons which wrongly kept thousands, particularly blacks, from casting ballots"

http://gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=55&row=2

http://gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=29&row=2

"Did Governor Jeb Bush, his Secretary of State Katherine Harris, and her Director of Elections, Clayton Roberts, know they had wrongly barred 22,000 black, Democrat voters before the elections? After the elections did they use their powers to prevent the count of 20,000 votes for the Democrats? The Democrats say the answers to both questions are yes.

COMMISSIONER: In any other country in the world, if this had occurred, there probably would have been riots or military troops throughout the streets. "

http://gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=33&row=2

http://gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=27&row=2
In 2004 Bush won and Kerry lost.
http://www.retrovsmetro.org/blog/id/348

"malfeasance, black box malfunctions, vote suppression, provisional and absentee ballot errors and plain old dirty tricks (felonies that are otherwise known as "Karl Rove Specials").

http://www.inthesetimes.com/site/main/article/1970/
Get over it.
What, get over the theft of the presidency, twice? Never!

http://harpers.org/ExcerptNoneDare.html
 
Sure, and as I said, I understand the concern in this particular case.

I was referring more to an apparent general feeling of defiance towards photographers targetting children.

Regards,
Bernard
 
I felt in my circumstances the guy wasn't a keen photographer. He just had an every day run of the mill point and shoot. The smirk on his face when my DH said something left an uneasy feeling too.
 
"I have a real problem with a) especially at a public street fair. I goes against everything I have understood about shooting in a public place. Of course this is Texas but still. Any opinions?"

I have no problem if the person is taking inappropriate pics...who knows what his next step would be...

I have always felt a bit uncomfortable doing pics of strangers, that is why I do mostly landscapes when not with friends or family. Now for someone that is a preditor I think it is commendable for the parents to have noticed (or whatever adult noticed) and the police to have acted. Here is the problem, his attorney will get this dismissed.
 

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