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Mr. iNova et al -

I'm enjoying my 950 for IR shooting. I have my eye on the day when Nikon brings out a more affordable digital SLR than the D1x. Here's the question - has Nikon given any consideration to making future models IR-friendly ala the 950? Or have they gone over to little consideration for IR like the 990? Is either the D1x or the new CP5000 IR-friendly? Thanks and here's an effort from earlier today...

http://users.starpower.net/djf56/StT10sepiaprint.jpg

dandaman
 
Mr. iNova et al -

I'm enjoying my 950 for IR shooting. I have my eye on the day when
Nikon brings out a more affordable digital SLR than the D1x.
Here's the question - has Nikon given any consideration to making
future models IR-friendly ala the 950? Or have they gone over to
little consideration for IR like the 990? Is either the D1x or the
new CP5000 IR-friendly? Thanks and here's an effort from earlier
today...

http://users.starpower.net/djf56/StT10sepiaprint.jpg

dandaman
Lovely image.

There is no Technical reason why a camera can't be made with a moving IR Hot Mirror that gets out of the way of the imaging chip on demand. The day is coming when inside-the-camera filtering will become quite normal, perhaps even expected. Already several of the video cameras that have any "night shot" capability already are doing this to take advantage of invisible IR LEDs for their light source.

-iNova
 
Thank you for the reply and kind words. As a follow-up question, do the camera makers in general and Nikon in particular really see that much benefit for "normal" shooting in drastically cutting the amount of IR reaching the sensors? The 950 didn't seem to suffer much for allowing more IR in.

dandaman
Mr. iNova et al -

I'm enjoying my 950 for IR shooting. I have my eye on the day when
Nikon brings out a more affordable digital SLR than the D1x.
Here's the question - has Nikon given any consideration to making
future models IR-friendly ala the 950? Or have they gone over to
little consideration for IR like the 990? Is either the D1x or the
new CP5000 IR-friendly? Thanks and here's an effort from earlier
today...

http://users.starpower.net/djf56/StT10sepiaprint.jpg

dandaman
Lovely image.

There is no Technical reason why a camera can't be made with a
moving IR Hot Mirror that gets out of the way of the imaging chip
on demand. The day is coming when inside-the-camera filtering will
become quite normal, perhaps even expected. Already several of the
video cameras that have any "night shot" capability already are
doing this to take advantage of invisible IR LEDs for their light
source.

-iNova
 
Thank you for the reply and kind words. As a follow-up question,
do the camera makers in general and Nikon in particular really see
that much benefit for "normal" shooting in drastically cutting the
amount of IR reaching the sensors? The 950 didn't seem to suffer
much for allowing more IR in.

dandaman
I would guess that its a combination of native chip vs. chip+hot mirror performance. The chip itself may have peaks and valleys of IR sensitivity that require further external modification to be effective for full-spectrum performance.

OR... I really don't know the exact spectral performance of every element in the optical path. The 950 has an IR absorber immediately in front of the imager. Remove that, and you suddenly have an IR super 950!

http://www.abe.msstate.edu/~jwooten/camera/lense.html

I'm sure that if Nikon were to perceive that people really, really wanted IR on/off capability (meaning it wouldn't vex people who didn't want it but suddenly found that they had accidentally set it up), they could order chips from Sony that had exactly what they required, make the mechanical and logical changes needed and introduce the feature.

And that brings up a different point: Depth of involvement. Present cameras have a de facto spread of tinkering depth that could be improved in future designs. It lays out as Auto Rec vs. Manual Rec right now and includes ideas like Scene modes, User Sets and stuff like that, but one can imagine a menu system that permits very deep levels of tinkering if the user is willing to enter into that sort of thing.

An 'Expert' level which must be invoked unambiguously could be available for those with the need to arrange deeper options. It would be protected from easy to make mistakes and thus avoid things like the way people accidentally screw up the Func1 and Func2 buttons on the 990/995s.

These cameras are ONLY computers with eyes, so the things one might do with them in software isn't really limited to what is in the software imbedded within them as supplied. One can conceive of a control link to the camera, perhaps with a Palm PDA, that completely takes over every level of response the camera's computer can make, but without a physical filter-in/filter-out feature, the results would be limited.

Some thoughts,

-iNova
Mr. iNova et al -

I'm enjoying my 950 for IR shooting. I have my eye on the day when
Nikon brings out a more affordable digital SLR than the D1x.
Here's the question - has Nikon given any consideration to making
future models IR-friendly ala the 950? Or have they gone over to
little consideration for IR like the 990? Is either the D1x or the
new CP5000 IR-friendly? Thanks and here's an effort from earlier
today...

http://users.starpower.net/djf56/StT10sepiaprint.jpg

dandaman
Lovely image.

There is no Technical reason why a camera can't be made with a
moving IR Hot Mirror that gets out of the way of the imaging chip
on demand. The day is coming when inside-the-camera filtering will
become quite normal, perhaps even expected. Already several of the
video cameras that have any "night shot" capability already are
doing this to take advantage of invisible IR LEDs for their light
source.

-iNova
 
Thanks for the info. If you have Nikon's ear, tell them some of us would really like that good IR capability.

dandaman
I would guess that its a combination of native chip vs. chip+hot
mirror performance. The chip itself may have peaks and valleys of
IR sensitivity that require further external modification to be
effective for full-spectrum performance.

OR... I really don't know the exact spectral performance of every
element in the optical path. The 950 has an IR absorber immediately
in front of the imager. Remove that, and you suddenly have an IR
super 950!

http://www.abe.msstate.edu/~jwooten/camera/lense.html

I'm sure that if Nikon were to perceive that people really, really
wanted IR on/off capability (meaning it wouldn't vex people who
didn't want it but suddenly found that they had accidentally set it
up), they could order chips from Sony that had exactly what they
required, make the mechanical and logical changes needed and
introduce the feature.

And that brings up a different point: Depth of involvement. Present
cameras have a de facto spread of tinkering depth that could be
improved in future designs. It lays out as Auto Rec vs. Manual Rec
right now and includes ideas like Scene modes, User Sets and stuff
like that, but one can imagine a menu system that permits very deep
levels of tinkering if the user is willing to enter into that sort
of thing.

An 'Expert' level which must be invoked unambiguously could be
available for those with the need to arrange deeper options. It
would be protected from easy to make mistakes and thus avoid things
like the way people accidentally screw up the Func1 and Func2
buttons on the 990/995s.

These cameras are ONLY computers with eyes, so the things one might
do with them in software isn't really limited to what is in the
software imbedded within them as supplied. One can conceive of a
control link to the camera, perhaps with a Palm PDA, that
completely takes over every level of response the camera's computer
can make, but without a physical filter-in/filter-out feature, the
results would be limited.

Some thoughts,

-iNova
Mr. iNova et al -

I'm enjoying my 950 for IR shooting. I have my eye on the day when
Nikon brings out a more affordable digital SLR than the D1x.
Here's the question - has Nikon given any consideration to making
future models IR-friendly ala the 950? Or have they gone over to
little consideration for IR like the 990? Is either the D1x or the
new CP5000 IR-friendly? Thanks and here's an effort from earlier
today...

http://users.starpower.net/djf56/StT10sepiaprint.jpg

dandaman
Lovely image.

There is no Technical reason why a camera can't be made with a
moving IR Hot Mirror that gets out of the way of the imaging chip
on demand. The day is coming when inside-the-camera filtering will
become quite normal, perhaps even expected. Already several of the
video cameras that have any "night shot" capability already are
doing this to take advantage of invisible IR LEDs for their light
source.

-iNova
 
Thanks for the info. If you have Nikon's ear, tell them some of us
would really like that good IR capability.

dandaman
Ha. Like the US guys can even get the Japan guys to realize that having Fine as a white balance setting and Fine as a compression setting could lead to confusion. Especially when Best and Sunny are useful words that COULD have been used.

Although we often address things to Mr. Nikon, there is no individual thinking central subject there. Like all big corporations, it would seem.

If 50,000 letters of IR recommendation showed up in their mailbox next week, there would be a 25% chance of seeing the idea take shape in the next two years. My guess.

-iNova
 

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