Daemeon
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Equally as silly, if not moreso.
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Appreciated. In fact, that is my point. A telephoto lens is more than a crop. Same with the D2X sensor. They both achieve the "telephoto experience" by cramming all the resolving power of the sensor/film into a smaller field of view. Thus, when all said and done and you look at your image it IS zoomed in.
If you just "cropped" a 5D image, it would look the same as the D2X one but wouldn't have the same level of detail.
Maybe it is just the definition of the word "crop" that people are discussing!
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If you just "cropped" a 5D image, it would look the same as the D2X one but wouldn't have the same level of detail.
Maybe it is just the definition of the word "crop" that people are discussing!
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FKS
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hi josh-
that's exactly my policy, no point in reading what he has to say as it's the same thing over and over. his credibility iin the nikon forums is long gone.
too bad there's no way to automatically ignore his messages on this board
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that's exactly my policy, no point in reading what he has to say as it's the same thing over and over. his credibility iin the nikon forums is long gone.
too bad there's no way to automatically ignore his messages on this board
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Daemeon
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If the MTF charts on that lens are to be believed, the image would indeed not be soft in the corners.
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Daemeon
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They are bound to be soft somewhere anyway, since the DOF is so shallow.
Duh.
That is why soft corners is largely irrelavent for portrait shooters who want as much DOF control as possible. Rarely are the corners part of the main subject anyway, and rarely are they in focus. This is where the greater DOF control shows up as an advantage for FF.
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Duh.
That is why soft corners is largely irrelavent for portrait shooters who want as much DOF control as possible. Rarely are the corners part of the main subject anyway, and rarely are they in focus. This is where the greater DOF control shows up as an advantage for FF.
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Igor Fradlis
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But vignetting and out of focus areas aren't necessarily the same, are they?
The fact is, that in that case the crop reduces or even compensates the reesolution advantage of the FF sensor. Naturally only if you use a lense of the same foca length. However comparing a 1dsMkII + 400mm 2.8 lense to a D2X wit ha 300mm 2.8 lense, makes the later combination shine.
For me, as I´m doing mostly aviation, the crop is a great thing, as I sometimes can not go closer to the subject. The fact, that I save lots of money on lenses, while not loosing any resolution compared to a FF camera and the same lense is great.
I however do agree, that FF + a lense with a greater foca lense would be better. However I doubt, that the it would justify the expense.
Anyway, I just wanted to point out that there are subjects, for which a crop is not a bad thing. I guess wildlife photography is also such a subject. I mean I clearly prefer humping around an 300mm 2.8 lense compared to a 400mm 2.8 lense.
There is no overall best camera, there is only the best tool for your job. So why are you fighting ?
I however do agree, that FF + a lense with a greater foca lense would be better. However I doubt, that the it would justify the expense.
Anyway, I just wanted to point out that there are subjects, for which a crop is not a bad thing. I guess wildlife photography is also such a subject. I mean I clearly prefer humping around an 300mm 2.8 lense compared to a 400mm 2.8 lense.
There is no overall best camera, there is only the best tool for your job. So why are you fighting ?
TheMadScot
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Well I'm just over 30 (barely) and came to the D2x without any body/lens baggage. I evaluated the D2x next to the 1Ds Mk II and can honestly say that the "full-frame" or "cropped sensor" didn't even come into it. Ergonomics and ease of use were the main factors, price less so (but important nonetheless) but what really swung me was, when speaking to Nikon and Canon reps independently, Nikon UK went out of their way to provice me with as much pre-purchase info as I needed. Canon came a very poor 2nd place in that regard.
I'm glad you like your 5D and have found what works for you in photographic terms. At the end of the day we all choose a camera based on our shooting needs... if the 5D fits your needs better than a D2x or other "cropped sensor" camera, then that's great.Full frame makes me happy. You all want me to be happy, right???
Sure....
I'd really like to see some new, fast primes in IF-ED G DX format - perhaps even throwing in SWM to boot. A 35mm f/1.2 IF-ED G DX with SWM for focusing would be just what the D series needs... and a 60mm f/1.4 variant would be great as well.
As are the majority of dSLR's out there. Less moaning and bitching about the tech, more shooting - that's what I say
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Ed
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I find it very hard to accept that someone "believes" in his camera/brand/whathaveyou so much that they can keep up the bombardment as well as T3 here has.
A reasonable person needs a motivation for such a thing.
To simulate what it might be like for him, simply spend an entire day shouting "I BOUGHT THE RIGHT CAMERA!" to everyone you meet, including yourself in a mirror.
PS, I saved a fortune on car insurance.
A reasonable person needs a motivation for such a thing.
To simulate what it might be like for him, simply spend an entire day shouting "I BOUGHT THE RIGHT CAMERA!" to everyone you meet, including yourself in a mirror.
PS, I saved a fortune on car insurance.
I wonder what professional photographers said way back, when 35mm replaced the Rolleiflexes and such. They too probably whined about how things were changing, and how the new stuff couldn't possibly replace the stuff the older generations had grown accustomed to.
Personally, I remember the debate about AF, when Minolta released it in the mid-80s. Your arguments remind me of that debate -- vividly...
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You know what "ultimate" means?
Imagine you have the choice between being the richest guy on earth or being the richest + 1$.
Well, the "ultimatel" rich is richer by only 1$ but deserves the "ultimate" designation.
I wouldn't pay 2500$ more to have the "ultimate". You would.
Octane
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No, most of the time I want more DoF, so FF is a disadvantage.
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Some things bear repeating simply becaue the same topic comes up over and over again. So it isn't necessarily that I say "the same thing over and over". It's that I am responding to the same type of topic over and over. In science, isn't there a saying that "for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction"? Just look at my postings. They are merely responses to what someone else wrote. I don't start threads. I'm not "trolling" for an argument.
That's one action I don't react to. I refrain from coming back with insults or name-calling (like "troll"). I try to stay on topic or with comments somehow relevant to the topic.
Vieri Bottazzini
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T3, you should change your pills... making camera wars is very silly per se, but those nonsense?
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jb_va2001
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Phil does a good job on his reviews. I think he's fair & accurate, the best on the web. For $8K you better get a damn fine camera - and it is. But it has weaknesses (they all do) and it is too expensive relative to where Nikon priced the D2X.
As for the angry Canon shooters - you can't please all the people all the time. Some of them want to believe Canon is head & shoulders above everyone else, and simply put, its not.
Cheers,
JB
As for the angry Canon shooters - you can't please all the people all the time. Some of them want to believe Canon is head & shoulders above everyone else, and simply put, its not.
Cheers,
JB
Film_Ruled
Senior Member
I care about picture quality.
And I care about how it feels to use the gear.
For me, I would rather have a full frame camera and 2-4 phenomenal lenses than a cropped camera and 6-8 Good ones. But that is me, not everyone else.
A style of shooting can emerge with passion from a single lens like the 35mm 1.4 Canon on a 5D / 1DS.
Mark Tucker is a great example of this. GREAT example.
http://www.marktucker.com/
For those who use the DX system with the same passion, there is no right, wrong or better.
At the end of the day, it is how YOU feel about what you are using.
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