Film_Ruled
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Mostly true. But if you feel a lot better shooting FF, then it is highly relevent.
But other than that, the world keeps turning, Nikon or Canon.
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But other than that, the world keeps turning, Nikon or Canon.
tony field
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The 5D is certainly not "unknown". In fact, it is quite a good camera that has warts - for example, the local Calgary Canon guru, Rob Galbraith's 5D has the traditional Canon-designed "backfocus issue".
While running my 5Ds, the auto white-balance became very unreliable - very significant colour shifts would happen without reason. Changing to a fixed colour balance solved the problem.
Shooting low light with the 5D, the camera would stop focusing. After moving the central focus spot to a bright object and then back to the darker object, it would subsequently focus on the dark object. A second 5D body reduced the problem but did not eliminate it. Not very reliable for an expensive camera.
Seems like Canon has long-standing issues still unresolved in an engineering sense.
With the vertical grip, the 5D was a nice camera to operate in a "hold it in the hands and work" sense. Some of the menu use was a pain with IMHO important things needing too many steps to change.
On the whole, my inclination is to purchase the 1Ds-II rather than the 5D - but I will wait for a bit to see what Nikon and Canon offer by mid winter. I am sorry for selling my 1D-II anticipating the 5D. So much for bad foresight.
The noise control on the D2x is adequate at 800 and above, certainly not excellent. At 3200 is not good at all. However, acquisition of a few high speed primes solves the problem. I doubt the D2x "update" will do much unless there is a new sensor - external firmware noise reduction is not the solution - probably better to use external software.
Don't know why FF is so CRITICAL other than for less DOF (when that is a virtue). The darned Canon lenses don't work too well full frame. Seems to me that, for many uses, the 1.6 or 1.3 sensors make better use of Canon's wide angle lenses. Maybe the 1.3 sensor is the very best of the bunch to get around problems with (for example) the 16-35 2.8 L, 28mm 1.8, etc. Even the excellent 35mm 1.4 has issues on the FF digital bodies. I need to run more shots with this lens! I would love a 1D-III with 10-15MP on a 1.3 crop sensor when using Canon lenses.
Your plausible Nikon dates don't hold much water other than to create a wave of anguish. Do you know what the two new Nikon PRO body cameras to be released this year are like?
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Photobug197965
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The corrected statement makes more sense.
The corrected statement makes more sense.
In the real world, I want any of my images, regardless of size, to look as good as they can. Most other photographers feel the same way.
Julia Borg
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and what is the answer?
your adcise that noise is the same is wrong. full stop.
your thinking could possibly be wrong. some market forces are having remorse already. they are all of a sudden start to realize that purchasing cheap FF camera is somewhat like buying a nice bridle - now they need a horse to put that bridle on. Lenses, I mean. Very expensive lenses. My hope is that Nikon would not haste with FF until they will have a solution that will allow us to keep our lenses, or to make affordable replacements.
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You may soon get your wish. Canon is supposedly working on a 22mp FF sensor for their next body. Imagine if it had a 1.3x crop mode.
Plus, if you do RAW conversions in Canon's DPP or Adobe Camera RAW, you can effectively apply any crop you want because both allow you to apply any crop to any batch of images, much like you would apply a WB to any batch of images. So if you want a 1.1x crop (or a 1.2x crop, or a 1.3x crop) on every one of your FF images, you can have it!
tony field
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You have taken my comments out of context - the 1.3 crop is super for the Canon because of the optical deficiencies of varous Canon lenses when applied to a full frame digital sensor. I am sure you are well aware of these issues.
If you have a FF with crop system, you would be paying for the external periphery that, for many Canon lenses, is not really useable. Crop is very useful (I am glad you have come around on this issue), however IMHO it should not be used to compensate for optical problems.
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In the film world, some people used to use a Leica M3 instead of a 4 x 5 press camera because, while the 4 x 5 had dramatically better image quality, the Leica was faster and more discrete.
In the real world, I'll often take my D70 instead of my D2H because it's smaller, lighter and more discrete.
In the real world, a 1Ds Mark II with a 5000 dollar Zeiss lens might give you better image quality than my D2H with my 12-24 but not if you need autofocus.
You'd use one camera mounted on a tripod for landscapes, the other handheld for rapidly changing street photography.
In the real world, you might not want a 13 megapixel digital SLR for ISO 1600. What you probably want is a camera like the D2H or 1D Mark II with good noise control at ISO 1600.
The D50's sensor in the D2H's body would be perfect.
Once again, you can't possibly discuss this in the abstract about a body you've never used.
How does the 5D's lowlight focusing ability compare to the D2H's and the 1D Mark II.
Tell me. Give me examples of shots you've taken. If you don't have them, how can you possibility contribute to a discussion like this beyond cutting and pasting a press release?
Well well well... At first degree, a P&S camera will give you pictures as good as it can. LOL
I understand what you say, though, and for this I recommend you to jump to Nikon in order to get the most out of your lense's sharpness: The center region.
Hey, it's not me. You expressed a wish and I just recommend what's best for you. Watcha gonna do... I expect you'll come back defending and turning your sentence around but hey, you said it.
No, it's not easy being hard headed as a T3.
Joe Marques
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Spoken like someone who hasn't used a 5D.
Here's my ownership track - D100, D2H, 20D, and 5D (extensive use of the D70 as well). D2H had the best overall construction, feel, and ergonomics (loved that camera - just got tired of the noise and weight). The 5D is a VERY close second in objective overall quality (to me it's #1 since I prefer the lighter weight and more comfortable grip but I am not the norm). 20D is 3rd in feel and D100/D70 are tied for 4th.BTW, if you want to talk about image quality - the 5D leaves them all in the dust (no surprise). The detail is simply stunning. It's a special camera and I couldn't be happier. I always found the crop cameras claustrophobic - looking through a tunnel. I feel at home again looking through the big viewfinder of the 5D. YMMV since full frame is certainly not for everyone. BTW, I still think Nikon is terrific - particularly the D2X.
Joe
Michael S.
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Hi Mel!
he did not do this lets say way back with the Olympus E-1 - as he himself always says: "we just compare the standard settings"...BUT not with his belove C.... brand - here we find the exception...
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Actuallly I would say it was a "foul play" by him to push the sharpness of the Canon to +1, to quote Phil: "to have a FAIR comparision"....
he did not do this lets say way back with the Olympus E-1 - as he himself always says: "we just compare the standard settings"...BUT not with his belove C.... brand - here we find the exception...
kind regards,
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Octane
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Funny, there are many many excelent reviews and reports about the D70, the D50, the D2x, but I have never ever seen you recomend those cameras. How come?
You just don't get it, do you? Everyone here knows you are the absolute #1 online Canon promoter spending most of his time in non Canon fora. Your creditability is less than zero!
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Zero is a lot, in this case.
Really, the more T3 speaks, the more one can actually understand he knows nothing.
He speaks of ultimate image quality and yet, praises samples of FF shots with soft corners (!?)
He reminds me of Ken Rockwell.
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Phil Askey
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Boo!
And I think you'll find you "found me here" just as much as you'll find me anywhere straight after a review.
The rest of the time I'm actually writing them , that's how they get made, someone has to write them.
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And I think you'll find you "found me here" just as much as you'll find me anywhere straight after a review.
The rest of the time I'm actually writing them , that's how they get made, someone has to write them.
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Octane
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You are twisting everything the way you want it. When Canon has good noise perfomance its great. If Nikon has great noise performance its "no great feature".
Right on you are a great source of reliable information! LOL
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Someone wrote that "The D2X is a great camera but IT IS NOT FF and that takes it out of consideration for most commercial, advertising, fashion, and many editorial photographers".
I'm wondering could you post the results of the polling you did to reach this conclusion?
Thanks,
diderot
I'm wondering could you post the results of the polling you did to reach this conclusion?
Thanks,
diderot
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