Why THOSE Lenses -- Here's why (with photos)

oops, too much wine. didnt read your previous post properly. i'm a
graphic designer (too!)(love typography) / art director /
photographer. small world. best wishes, Sparkie
LOL That's why you missed it... hazards of the job ;)

Same here... graphic artist/art director and occassional get to be photographer :)

And yes, my husband is sick of hearing me say "I know what font that is" LOL

Amy
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Wow, I'm a dolt. I read each of your posts, then quickly forgot
about the primes as I posted my response. :)
Nah, it's okay... it's easy to have attention span deficiencies on the internet at times ;)
I have the Canon 100/2.8, and it works out nicely with my 350D, as
I can set it to manual mode, 1/200, f/11 (or smaller) and use the
internal flash. The lens doesn't shade the flash, even at minimum
focus distance. It's not as nice as a dedicated macro flash of
course, but it lets me handhold the 100/2.8 even in dim lighting.
I've considered the 100 f/2.8 also... the focal length just scare me especially when you're at 1:1 magnification. Most serious Macro shooters I've heard talk say to do it on a tripod... and oh, how I hate the tripod. I'm still some time away from making a final decision on it, so I'm sure I'll explore it again here when the $$ is there to spend ;)
I have to admit I'd like to upgrade my 70-300APO too. But there's
nothing on the market that satisfies my needs. I need a compact
lens with USM/HSM, IS, with passable image quality at f/5.6. Zoom
is nice, as is a black finish to avoid getting attention. The
70-300DO is the lens that most closely fits, but it's $1100. It's
not worth that for the image quality that comes out of it.
The 200/2.8 looks nice, too, but the lack of IS and zoom makes it
less useful to me, as a lot of my telephoto shooting is at races
where a car may come close enough to shoot at 50mm, then be far
enough away to shoot at 300mm a few seconds later.
Believe me, I totally hear ya... that's part of the reason it took me 8 months to finally get the 70-200 f/2.8, even though it lacks IS... but if I realize I need more stabilizing I figure I can try a $20 monopod before spending another $1000 on the IS Canon version ;) -- so far I haven't needed it. The penguin shot in my original post was at 200mm (or close) 1/80 f/2.8 with an ISO of 800... I just found something to lean on ;)

And I agree with ya on the DO. I'd really considered it for it's compact nature, but the prices is just crazy in my opinion. I don't expect it to be cheap, but 1/2 it's price ($600 rather than $1100) would be a LOT more reasonable IMO... and still not a "cheap" lens by any stretch.

Amy
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Creativity is allowing yourself to make mistakes. Art is knowing which ones to keep.



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When I bought my DRebel I got it with the kit lens as this was the only lens with that range at the time.

A few months later I did not have the opportunity to choose between the Sigma 18-125 or the Canon 17-58IS, because the Sigma was just out and the Canon would only be announced 2 months later.

I was not entirely happy with the 18-125, first of all because of focusing issues, but secondly also for low light performance. So I initially then got the 50mm f1.8 (as a gift) and later the Tamron 17-35. Both are great performers and I still use them.

The Tamron 17-35 is excellent but still not the best for low light museum shots, so I got the Canon 17-85IS, which I end up using 95% of the time now. The Canon 24-105L IS was not available so not an option at the time (and I would still not buy it now because of "too expensive").

Still looking for a longer lens, which will most likely be the new 70-300IS. Once you get used to IS there is no turning back, and the 70-200 isn't very long and the IS version is too expensive as well. (So is the 70-300DO.)

What if I were too start from scratch now? Well, my selection would most likely have been different. (Probably not even Canon now that there is the Minolta 5D with built-in image stabilization, and for a reasonable price.) Also, knowing what I know now, and with what's available now, I would never have bought the Sigma 18-125. I probably would never have bought the Tamron 17-35, but I'm very glad I did (it is such a fine lens, especially for wide angle concert and dinner shots). I would buy the 17-85IS again in the blink of an eye.

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For the price and the non-pro the Tamron is a very good choice. Image quality is equall if not better than the Canon counterpart. Build quality naturally goes to Canon, but enough saved for other lens options!

Good Choice in this range.

MarvC
 
I've considered the 100 f/2.8 also... the focal length just scare
me especially when you're at 1:1 magnification. Most serious Macro
shooters I've heard talk say to do it on a tripod... and oh, how I
hate the tripod. I'm still some time away from making a final
decision on it, so I'm sure I'll explore it again here when the $$
is there to spend ;)
The 100/2.8 is my first macro lens, and I hate tripods probably as much as you. I ONLY use them when it's so dark I can't get a handheld shot at ISO 1600 wide open. I'd rather suffer noise than tripod setup.

Fortunately I haven't had to use the tripod with the 100/2.8 much at all. I use it for test shots and such, but out in the wild I use it handheld exclusively.

I think you'd find the difference between the 60/2.8 and 100/2.8 isn't that great when it comes to handholding speed. I can handhold my 50/1.8 at 1/80sec, and my 100/2.8 at 1/160sec, or 1/200sec at worst. That's a full stop slower, but I have found that shooting macro I either have plenty of light (ie: 1/500, f/11, ISO200) or nowhere NEAR enough to shoot without flash (ie: 1/100, f/8, ISO1600). In other words, when you're pushing the limit of handholdability (if that's a word) an extra stop isn't all that useful when you can just pop up the flash and shoot whatever you want. It's harder to fudge a macro shot with slow shutter speed than a "normal" shot anyways, cause good macro shots typically have a ton of sharpness.

The cool thing with shooting with flash is that it allows you more creative control, as the more flash you add the darker the background becomes. So if you want a flower suspended in space, shoot 1/1000, f/16, ISO200. Almost all the light will be flash light. If you want a natural looking shot of a flower with maybe some glisten on the petals, set it up so the shot can be taken with near ambient lighting, and use the flash with a tiny bit of power, just to make the water glisten.

Normally I really don't like flash, cause the lighting is often harsh and directional. But with macro it's often not only necessary, but preferable. So I think choosing a 50-60mm macro over a 100mm-ish macro for handholdability isn't going to do much for you. I'd look at focal lengths more for what you're shooting. Bugs and such are great at 100mm, but I sometimes wish I had a wider (say, 50mm) lens for flowers. In fact, some of my favorite macro-ish shots are from my Sigma 20/1.8. It only goes to 1:4, but that's plenty close for its focal length!

(keep in mind that I'm using the built-in flash only... a real macro flash would be much nicer, but the built-in works fine with my 100/2.8.)

I know you're a ways away from deciding, but I hope this helps. :)
Believe me, I totally hear ya... that's part of the reason it took
me 8 months to finally get the 70-200 f/2.8, even though it lacks
IS... but if I realize I need more stabilizing I figure I can try a
$20 monopod before spending another $1000 on the IS Canon version
;) -- so far I haven't needed it. The penguin shot in my original
post was at 200mm (or close) 1/80 f/2.8 with an ISO of 800... I
just found something to lean on ;)
I must have poor technique, cause I have to shoot my 70-300 at 1/500sec to avoid shake. And that's when concentrating! I can cheat a BIT on the old "1 over focal length" rule at wide angle (I shoot my 20/1.8 at 1/30 with no problems, but that's about it. Damn this jittery high metabolism! :)
And I agree with ya on the DO. I'd really considered it for it's
compact nature, but the prices is just crazy in my opinion. I don't
expect it to be cheap, but 1/2 it's price ($600 rather than $1100)
would be a LOT more reasonable IMO... and still not a "cheap" lens
by any stretch.
Yeah, unfortunately it's not going to end up anywhere near $600 now that they jacked up the price of the 70-300IS over the old $400 of the 75-300IS. Canon is really screwing us with new lens prices. Hopefully Sigma starts putting OS in more of their lenses. I'd love to see a 70-200/2.8OS and a 70-300APO OS. And if I ever hear the words "50-500OS" uttered, I'm giong to start writing a check. :)
 
My 24-70L is very sharp wide-open, and the color and contrast is
better then the Tam. Better to save up, build slowly, and get the
best. Lenses in one's kit should be thought of as long, long term.
Lenses are like brain surgeons, accountants, and lawyers....better
if one doesn't go cheap...go for quality first.
You may be surprised to hear that 'expensive' in surgeons does not mean best. And thats coming from a surgeon ;-)
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But my views are not one-sided.

I have shot EOS fim/digital for 12 years now.

And for the first 10 years, I used mostly Sigma, Tamron lenses.

Two years ago I got fed up. It was only after 10 years of being stubborn and thinking Canon lenses (L or otherwise) are overrated, that I finally saw the light (literally).

Just a few months ago, I finished rennovating my kit with all Canon items, and the quality of my images have increased, for sure.

I still hold open the possability, and welcome the day when the 3rd parties can finally provide consistent high quality products that can more often then now, really give Canon a bad time, matching, and preferably beating Canon quality more then is the case today.

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Everyone says the following too often:

"You can alwasy photo-shop the picture to do blah,blah, blah".

Sure, often at the cost of beating up pixels, introducing artifacts, etc.

It's always better to get the shot as close to right as possible at the time the image is taken.

Too often, photos have that beat up "Photo-Shopped" look.

Better to get the contrast right on, or very near right on with a great lens. To rely so much of PS is to down grade the quality, introduce problems.

This is not to suggest that images never need post-processing. I only shot RAW so all my work is post-processed, but even though, I still stive to get the shot right, the lighting right, and one of the things I do to get this done is to use the best lenses available for Canon mount.

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If you can't get it right with the tamron 17-35 or the tamron 28-75 give it up.

The canons may be better lenses but those two tamrons are quality optics. Having to settle for them is hardly a problem.
 
I've had one for a couple of months now, and I love it. It's tack sharp all the way down to f2.8 and, unlike the 28-75, it has no focusing issues. Even wide open 17mm and f2.8 it focuses accurately on distant subjects. It's a steal for the money. Why spend the big bucks on the slower 17-40L when you can have 99% of the performance with the Tamron?
 
For the price and the non-pro the Tamron is a very good choice.
Image quality is equall if not better than the Canon counterpart.
Build quality naturally goes to Canon, but enough saved for other
lens options!
Totally agree Marv. Canon wins on build-quality and weather sealing, without a doubt. I wouldn't take the Tamron out in the pouring rain, but that's okay since that's not the type of conditions I need to shoot in. Someone else might have different needs.

Of course, the six year warranty from Tamron helps ;)

Thanks for the input!

Amy
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Creativity is allowing yourself to make mistakes. Art is knowing which ones to keep.



http://www.nyphotos.net ~ http://www.something-fishy.com/photography
 
It's a riot the kind of dismissal these tamron 28-75 posts produce. I've used both, a lot, because my husband has the 24-70 and I was constantly stealing it until he finally got annoyed and told me to get my own. I bought the tamron because I had read so many favorable things about it and I was curious. However, my mind was already made up that it would not be as good as the canon.

It came as a pleasant surprise then, that the tamron was in fact sharper wide open than the canon. (Though I was never really dissatisfied with how the canon performed wide open). Sharpness isn't everything though. Each has their own strengths. The USM on the canon is a lot faster, for example.

But what a fantastic deal on that lens. I wouldn't worry that you can't "convince" some of these other folk. You probably wouldn't have convinced me either if I didn't have a good copy of the tamron myself. :)
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