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My big questions for this camera are:

1. Does it have a pre-flash that actually works for redeye reduction, or is just a pointless tiny, blinking light as it was has been on many previous CoolPix units?

2. Can it focus in low light?

My other concern is that the zoom range starts at 28mm, which is great for landscapes (if the distortion isn't too bad) but it only goes up 85mm, which is just barely adequate for portraits.

I'm excited about the aspherical lens.

Ron Parr
hehe said:
http://www.dpreview.com/news/0109/01091802nikoncp5000.asp

http://www.nikon-image.com/eng/news_release/2001/e5000.htm

http://www.digitalkamera.de/Info/News/10/40-en.htm

Sony's "Dark Angel" vs Nikon "White Devil" ?

Who's going to win?

I am putting my $$$ on Nikon ;)
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Nikon has loaded almost all of it all in this one. Just one big problem, a significant lack of zoom maxxed out at a paltry 85mm mm is a joke.This camera's features will be almost useless without add on lenses. Fortunately Nikon has plenty of good offerings in that area.The 28 mm is nice but what percentage of images are taken that wide?

I don't think anyone who ever owned a camera with a decent zoom range on it would begin to consider this one. It sure don't look like it will be cutting into the 707 from Sony. JD
Ron Parr said:
1. Does it have a pre-flash that actually works for redeye
reduction, or is just a pointless tiny, blinking light as it was
has been on many previous CoolPix units?

2. Can it focus in low light?

My other concern is that the zoom range starts at 28mm, which is
great for landscapes (if the distortion isn't too bad) but it only
goes up 85mm, which is just barely adequate for portraits.

I'm excited about the aspherical lens.

Ron Parr
hehe said:
http://www.dpreview.com/news/0109/01091802nikoncp5000.asp

http://www.nikon-image.com/eng/news_release/2001/e5000.htm

http://www.digitalkamera.de/Info/News/10/40-en.htm

Sony's "Dark Angel" vs Nikon "White Devil" ?

Who's going to win?

I am putting my $$$ on Nikon ;)
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Typical Nikon. More $$$ for less Glass.

The 707 is less money and has 5x f2.0 compared to 3x f2.8.

The nikon is small and if priced right it might steal some G2 sales, but other than that there are some people who will only buy Nikon (or Canon or Sony) and they should be happy.

Peter
john demastrie said:
Ron Parr said:
1. Does it have a pre-flash that actually works for redeye
reduction, or is just a pointless tiny, blinking light as it was
has been on many previous CoolPix units?

2. Can it focus in low light?

My other concern is that the zoom range starts at 28mm, which is
great for landscapes (if the distortion isn't too bad) but it only
goes up 85mm, which is just barely adequate for portraits.

I'm excited about the aspherical lens.

Ron Parr
hehe said:
http://www.dpreview.com/news/0109/01091802nikoncp5000.asp

http://www.nikon-image.com/eng/news_release/2001/e5000.htm

http://www.digitalkamera.de/Info/News/10/40-en.htm

Sony's "Dark Angel" vs Nikon "White Devil" ?

Who's going to win?

I am putting my $$$ on Nikon ;)
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This camera looks absolutely awesome.

Of course it's not competition for the F707. I believe that the real competition is the S85, G2 and the new Olympus. This camera has a real edge over all of those...5MP, Nikon lens, ISO800, wider range of focusing options, good metering, the list goes on.

If this camera's as good as it looks, iit'll be serious competition to other 3x cameras. Plus, it's lighter than the S85 and G2.

Yeah, the zoom (or lack thereof) bothers me. And, as I've said before, the fact that I'm in pretty deep with Sony accessories, unless I can find a decent buyer for my S75 and all of its accessories, I'm sticking with Sony.

If I were new in the market, I'd wait until Phil's full-scale review comes out, and would seriously consider this camera, the G2 and the new 4MP Oly.

Great looking camera.
Peter G said:
The 707 is less money and has 5x f2.0 compared to 3x f2.8.

The nikon is small and if priced right it might steal some G2
sales, but other than that there are some people who will only buy
Nikon (or Canon or Sony) and they should be happy.

Peter
john demastrie said:
Ron Parr said:
1. Does it have a pre-flash that actually works for redeye
reduction, or is just a pointless tiny, blinking light as it was
has been on many previous CoolPix units?

2. Can it focus in low light?

My other concern is that the zoom range starts at 28mm, which is
great for landscapes (if the distortion isn't too bad) but it only
goes up 85mm, which is just barely adequate for portraits.

I'm excited about the aspherical lens.

Ron Parr
hehe said:
http://www.dpreview.com/news/0109/01091802nikoncp5000.asp

http://www.nikon-image.com/eng/news_release/2001/e5000.htm

http://www.digitalkamera.de/Info/News/10/40-en.htm

Sony's "Dark Angel" vs Nikon "White Devil" ?

Who's going to win?

I am putting my $$$ on Nikon ;)
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one last comment- i really like the design of the 5000 in comparison to the twisting body 990/995. call me shallow, but i always disliked those cameras asthetics, one factor in why i didn't want to buy one. now if only they'd change the name to sound more professional, i mean 'coolpix', it just sounds like a childrens toy- '"its a real cool camera, its even cooler cuz we spell pics, with an 'x', its the 'coolpix'!"
Cubfan said:
Cubfan said:
hehe said:
http://www.dpreview.com/news/0109/01091802nikoncp5000.asp

http://www.nikon-image.com/eng/news_release/2001/e5000.htm

http://www.digitalkamera.de/Info/News/10/40-en.htm

Sony's "Dark Angel" vs Nikon "White Devil" ?

Who's going to win?

I am putting my $$$ on Nikon ;)
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Ron Parr said:
My big questions for this camera are:

1. Does it have a pre-flash that actually works for redeye
reduction, or is just a pointless tiny, blinking light as it was
has been on many previous CoolPix units?
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Hmm. Has there ever been a red-eye reduction function that does any good? (Just asking. I find the S85 flash horrible at best, so I haven't used it enough to have red eye problems.)
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2. Can it focus in low light?
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Really.
Member said:
My other concern is that the zoom range starts at 28mm, which is
great for landscapes (if the distortion isn't too bad) but it only
goes up 85mm, which is just barely adequate for portraits.
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Really, again. I find that the S85 is just a tad shy of what I need on both ends: 30-120 or so would make a big difference in convenience.
Member said:
I'm excited about the aspherical lens.
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Hmm. As a radically conservative lens, it may provide killer resolution. It would be incredibly amuzing if it managed to do noticeably better than the D1x.

Still, not only is the zoom range limited, it is an incredibly slow lens. At full telephoto it is a full 4 times slower than the F707 lens.

That is an extremely large difference.

David J. Littleboy
Tokyo, Japan
 
The name does kind of sound childish...but I do like the swivel body of the 707 much more than the coolpix 5000
Cubfan said:
Cubfan said:
Cubfan said:
hehe said:
http://www.dpreview.com/news/0109/01091802nikoncp5000.asp

http://www.nikon-image.com/eng/news_release/2001/e5000.htm

http://www.digitalkamera.de/Info/News/10/40-en.htm

Sony's "Dark Angel" vs Nikon "White Devil" ?

Who's going to win?

I am putting my $$$ on Nikon ;)
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It is lighter than the G2 and S85 and your wallet will be too. :-)

It takes a lot more glass to make the faster lens on the G2/S85 and the G2/S85 have twice as much battery power as well.

The slow lens is a deal breaker for me. If I want an f2.8-f4.8 lens I will buy and elph or a P1.

Peter
Mike M said:
Of course it's not competition for the F707. I believe that the
real competition is the S85, G2 and the new Olympus. This camera
has a real edge over all of those...5MP, Nikon lens, ISO800, wider
range of focusing options, good metering, the list goes on.

If this camera's as good as it looks, iit'll be serious competition
to other 3x cameras. Plus, it's lighter than the S85 and G2.

Yeah, the zoom (or lack thereof) bothers me. And, as I've said
before, the fact that I'm in pretty deep with Sony accessories,
unless I can find a decent buyer for my S75 and all of its
accessories, I'm sticking with Sony.

If I were new in the market, I'd wait until Phil's full-scale
review comes out, and would seriously consider this camera, the G2
and the new 4MP Oly.

Great looking camera.
Peter G said:
The 707 is less money and has 5x f2.0 compared to 3x f2.8.

The nikon is small and if priced right it might steal some G2
sales, but other than that there are some people who will only buy
Nikon (or Canon or Sony) and they should be happy.

Peter
john demastrie said:
Ron Parr said:
1. Does it have a pre-flash that actually works for redeye
reduction, or is just a pointless tiny, blinking light as it was
has been on many previous CoolPix units?

2. Can it focus in low light?

My other concern is that the zoom range starts at 28mm, which is
great for landscapes (if the distortion isn't too bad) but it only
goes up 85mm, which is just barely adequate for portraits.

I'm excited about the aspherical lens.

Ron Parr
hehe said:
http://www.dpreview.com/news/0109/01091802nikoncp5000.asp

http://www.nikon-image.com/eng/news_release/2001/e5000.htm

http://www.digitalkamera.de/Info/News/10/40-en.htm

Sony's "Dark Angel" vs Nikon "White Devil" ?

Who's going to win?

I am putting my $$$ on Nikon ;)
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It's great to see some competition showing up, although the 707 still seems to fit my needs more than the Nikon will, at least from this first impression. I wonder if Canon's got something up their sleeves in the near future. My deadline is the end of October, so I'll pull the trigger then based on what's available.

The wide angle would be nice on the Nikon, but the telephoto is something I can't pass up on the 707 for my purposes. One question I was wondering, when you put an add-on lens on to a viewfinder camera like the Nikon does that mean you have to use the LCD display to frame your shot, or do you tell the camera you've put on a certain Nikon lens, and the viewfinder compensates for it? Using the LCD wouldn't be a big deal, but I was curious...
hehe said:
http://www.dpreview.com/news/0109/01091802nikoncp5000.asp

http://www.nikon-image.com/eng/news_release/2001/e5000.htm

http://www.digitalkamera.de/Info/News/10/40-en.htm

Sony's "Dark Angel" vs Nikon "White Devil" ?

Who's going to win?

I am putting my $$$ on Nikon ;)
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This may very well be the first sign that Nikon is desperate. With Sony owning the digicam marketplace, and Canon firing yet another improvement to their G1 line with the G2, they must be really hurting.

How do I know this? Well, look at the LCD. It's just like Canon's. The first sign that a market leader like Canon is sweating is when they take a market tact that looks like their direct competition. Instead of innovating, they follow the Canon. Feel free to disagree, but from a marketing perspective, Nikon's decision is very disturbing.
hehe said:
http://www.dpreview.com/news/0109/01091802nikoncp5000.asp

http://www.nikon-image.com/eng/news_release/2001/e5000.htm

http://www.digitalkamera.de/Info/News/10/40-en.htm

Sony's "Dark Angel" vs Nikon "White Devil" ?

Who's going to win?

I am putting my $$$ on Nikon ;)
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Possibly so, but it is probably a superior design, and has been used extensively on video cameras for quite a while. I'm actually suprised Sony wasn't the first to move to that design, seeing as how they've done it so well on their video cameras.

I haven't used the flip out style or the swivel, like on the 707 yet. It seems to me that the flip-out display makes more sense. It'd be handy to be able flip out all the way around, and I like how the screen is protected when you're not using the camera. Since it looks like I'll be getting a 707 though, I'm sure I'll be quite satisfied with the swivel design. Who knows, maybe I'll even like it better when I get a chance to try it.
Mike M said:
How do I know this? Well, look at the LCD. It's just like
Canon's. The first sign that a market leader like Canon is
sweating is when they take a market tact that looks like their
direct competition. Instead of innovating, they follow the Canon.
Feel free to disagree, but from a marketing perspective, Nikon's
decision is very disturbing.
hehe said:
http://www.dpreview.com/news/0109/01091802nikoncp5000.asp

http://www.nikon-image.com/eng/news_release/2001/e5000.htm

http://www.digitalkamera.de/Info/News/10/40-en.htm

Sony's "Dark Angel" vs Nikon "White Devil" ?

Who's going to win?

I am putting my $$$ on Nikon ;)
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Ron Parr said:
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My other concern is that the zoom range starts at 28mm, which is
great for landscapes (if the distortion isn't too bad) but it only
goes up 85mm, which is just barely adequate for portraits.

I'm excited about the aspherical lens.
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I think Nikon got it right. With 5MP, this is going to be a great landscape camera. And the zoom range is right on the money.
 
I agree. Its been quite a while since Nikon released a compelling product.

I see desperation in the pre-announcement nature of this news. These are early beta cameras, no pictures even allowed. No close-ups of the case even. It will be a long time before this thing hits the shelf and Nikon is trying to say: "Look were not dead yet, we have new product...".
Even if it were out today I would not be impressed.

I think a G2 or 707 would be a better choice.

Peter
Mike M said:
How do I know this? Well, look at the LCD. It's just like
Canon's. The first sign that a market leader like Canon is
sweating is when they take a market tact that looks like their
direct competition. Instead of innovating, they follow the Canon.
Feel free to disagree, but from a marketing perspective, Nikon's
decision is very disturbing.
hehe said:
http://www.dpreview.com/news/0109/01091802nikoncp5000.asp

http://www.nikon-image.com/eng/news_release/2001/e5000.htm

http://www.digitalkamera.de/Info/News/10/40-en.htm

Sony's "Dark Angel" vs Nikon "White Devil" ?

Who's going to win?

I am putting my $$$ on Nikon ;)
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I think the new design is due to impraticality of fitting a much larger CCD in the 99x swivel design and not a try to imitate Canon. That was already expected. It's also nice to see Nikon sticking with the 28mm thread to provide backward compability. Likely this is the reason of having a slower lens. They cannot fit a f/2.0 in a 28mm size.
Herbet.
Tim said:
I haven't used the flip out style or the swivel, like on the 707
yet. It seems to me that the flip-out display makes more sense.
It'd be handy to be able flip out all the way around, and I like
how the screen is protected when you're not using the camera. Since
it looks like I'll be getting a 707 though, I'm sure I'll be quite
satisfied with the swivel design. Who knows, maybe I'll even like
it better when I get a chance to try it.
Mike M said:
How do I know this? Well, look at the LCD. It's just like
Canon's. The first sign that a market leader like Canon is
sweating is when they take a market tact that looks like their
direct competition. Instead of innovating, they follow the Canon.
Feel free to disagree, but from a marketing perspective, Nikon's
decision is very disturbing.
hehe said:
http://www.dpreview.com/news/0109/01091802nikoncp5000.asp

http://www.nikon-image.com/eng/news_release/2001/e5000.htm

http://www.digitalkamera.de/Info/News/10/40-en.htm

Sony's "Dark Angel" vs Nikon "White Devil" ?

Who's going to win?

I am putting my $$$ on Nikon ;)
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David J. Littleboy said:
Ron Parr said:
My big questions for this camera are:

1. Does it have a pre-flash that actually works for redeye
reduction, or is just a pointless tiny, blinking light as it was
has been on many previous CoolPix units?
Click to expand...
Hmm. Has there ever been a red-eye reduction function that does any
good? (Just asking. I find the S85 flash horrible at best, so I
haven't used it enough to have red eye problems.)
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I find that the S85 preflash does help a little for redeye reduction.

I turned it off at a party once to get faster responses and more candid shots, but I found that almost all of the shots had redeye. When I leave it on, I find that very few have serious redeye.

The redeye reduction on my Coolpix 950 was totally laughable. Imagine a white light that's about the size of the focus assist lamp on the S85, but about half as bright. Now imagine it blinking slowly a couple of times before the flash goes off. That's what Nikon called red-eye reduction.

Ron
 
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