How do muslims (all over he world) feel about this disaster?

Whoa.....back up! I was simply asking a question. I know nothing about the Muslim religion. I honestly was asking if ALL Muslims are "expected" to heed these very angry calls to war that are coming from the Taliban. I'm sorry you thought that was offensive, but if we don't ask questions, HOW are we supposed to try to understand?? People are posting messages that we should try to understand the anger towards America....now asking a question fuels that anger? I guess this makes my point about trying to reason with unreasonableness. How could anyone have taken a "tone" from my question?? I really don't believe this. K.
Or will they be
expected to heed this call to a holy war? K.
Koo22, your tone just adds a stone to the bullying that these
peoeple have to face only because of their faith! Every religion,
Christianity especially, has its own shameful stories, when people
were called for a holy war. And what, does it mean that this
religion is bad now? What end do you mean to achieve by posting
these divisive, offensive statements?

It is very hard to be good when you are bullied like that. Even a
seemingly good person may start killing, as it happenes in the US
schools.

I am not saying this in reference to this particular muslim person,
of course, but yours is just another stone that will fuel the
hatred and the bloodshed.
 
Koo, I didn't see anything wrong with your question. Good question. The answer to me is yes, alot of the Arabs will follow the leader.. That is why when we are in War we have to go for the win.. That is what matters. War is, Seek out and destroy the enemy..
Or will they be
expected to heed this call to a holy war? K.
Koo22, your tone just adds a stone to the bullying that these
peoeple have to face only because of their faith! Every religion,
Christianity especially, has its own shameful stories, when people
were called for a holy war. And what, does it mean that this
religion is bad now? What end do you mean to achieve by posting
these divisive, offensive statements?

It is very hard to be good when you are bullied like that. Even a
seemingly good person may start killing, as it happenes in the US
schools.

I am not saying this in reference to this particular muslim person,
of course, but yours is just another stone that will fuel the
hatred and the bloodshed.
 
Whoa.....back up! I was simply asking a question. I know nothing
about the Muslim religion. I honestly was asking if ALL Muslims
are "expected" to heed these very angry calls to war that are
coming from the Taliban. I'm sorry you thought that was offensive,
but if we don't ask questions, HOW are we supposed to try to
understand?? People are posting messages that we should try to
understand the anger towards America....now asking a question fuels
that anger? I guess this makes my point about trying to reason
with unreasonableness. How could anyone have taken a "tone" from
my question?? I really don't believe this. K.
Well koo22, I'm really sorry that I have misunderstood you. Your questions were just looking somewhat rethorical - and that is of course my fault if I missed your real point.

It is still strange that you even admit possibility that all muslims could follow Taliban calls. Taliban are rulers of Afghanistan only, they have no religious or state power anywhere else except some followers in Pakistan, AFAIK. And, let's be more accurate, Taliban did not "call for war"; a war is practically declared to them by the U.S. President Bush and they call their people to prepare for it.

But most importantly, you might have read today's news that Pakistan ( I would not expect that!) offered its territory and support to the US if they decide to strike Taliban forces. What could more eloquently answer your question?..
 
Pakistan knows that if they don't co-operate they could be a target also.. They were given an ultimatum!!
Whoa.....back up! I was simply asking a question. I know nothing
about the Muslim religion. I honestly was asking if ALL Muslims
are "expected" to heed these very angry calls to war that are
coming from the Taliban. I'm sorry you thought that was offensive,
but if we don't ask questions, HOW are we supposed to try to
understand?? People are posting messages that we should try to
understand the anger towards America....now asking a question fuels
that anger? I guess this makes my point about trying to reason
with unreasonableness. How could anyone have taken a "tone" from
my question?? I really don't believe this. K.
Well koo22, I'm really sorry that I have misunderstood you. Your
questions were just looking somewhat rethorical - and that is of
course my fault if I missed your real point.

It is still strange that you even admit possibility that all
muslims could follow Taliban calls. Taliban are rulers of
Afghanistan only, they have no religious or state power anywhere
else except some followers in Pakistan, AFAIK. And, let's be more
accurate, Taliban did not "call for war"; a war is practically
declared to them by the U.S. President Bush and they call their
people to prepare for it.

But most importantly, you might have read today's news that
Pakistan ( I would not expect that!) offered its territory and
support to the US if they decide to strike Taliban forces. What
could more eloquently answer your question?..
 
Fact is we are going in, We are going after all known terrorists
and anybody who harbors them. That is the fact.. We will use all
military power available to accomplish this. There is going to be
one BIG BARBEQUE!!
Good for you you're on the other side on the globe... You will only see this on TV... Until one day some of the lucky children who will survive your BARBEQUE will grow up and go to die only to get a revenge. And people will again ask themselves, "just why all this hatred? they must envy our wealth?"...
 
No Hatred Masha, We are just going after the terrorists and believe me I hate them for what they did. We are not going in to kill innocent people but if the terrorists use them as shields, as they have in the past, they are responsible for their own countrymans death. And that is what we are trying to do now, Keep this from happenning again in the future..
Fact is we are going in, We are going after all known terrorists
and anybody who harbors them. That is the fact.. We will use all
military power available to accomplish this. There is going to be
one BIG BARBEQUE!!
Good for you you're on the other side on the globe... You will only
see this on TV... Until one day some of the lucky children who will
survive your BARBEQUE will grow up and go to die only to get a
revenge. And people will again ask themselves, "just why all this
hatred? they must envy our wealth?"...
 
I did not mean your hatred, I meant THEIR'S.

You can not NOT kill innocent people by making "barbeque" as you proposed. Even if they are not used as shields. Remember strikes on Yugoslavia. "Collateral damage". (Cynical isn't it?) Television studio.
If innocent people are killed, responsible will be both who held them
as shield and who fired the shots. That's my belief and sorry if yours
is different.

If that is allowed to happen, it won't prevent revenge in the future. You may not hold yourself responsible if innocent people die as "shields" but you won't prove that to their families. That is my point.

Apart from that reason, it would be simply immoral. And again, any injustice and immorality leads to a reciprocal one.
Fact is we are going in, We are going after all known terrorists
and anybody who harbors them. That is the fact.. We will use all
military power available to accomplish this. There is going to be
one BIG BARBEQUE!!
Good for you you're on the other side on the globe... You will only
see this on TV... Until one day some of the lucky children who will
survive your BARBEQUE will grow up and go to die only to get a
revenge. And people will again ask themselves, "just why all this
hatred? they must envy our wealth?"...
 
First, I don't question BBC or the article. I question the what's said in the article. I am not looking for leader to comdemn the attack, either. They are mostly B.S. anyway. I am looking for response by the religious leader. I want to understand if it is true that muslims really believe that the hijackers are going to heaven by killing civilians. That their actions are considered heroic and they served their God. Or if this is just an abuse of the Islam religion by a small terrorist group, in this case I expect religious leaders will condemn them for mis-intepretation of Islam.

CN
Perhaps it is my misunderstanding of your few words, but you say
"try" which is almost if someone was trying to sell you a bill of
goods.

You do know what the BBC is, don't you? You know, the British
Broadcasting Company. This was simply an article gathered by one
of the most respected news organizations on the planet.

But whoa, there might have been some (very slight, actually)
mention of Israel in there. Does it surprise you that there are
differences in the Middle East? Gee, the reporters saw that too.

But what is the overriding strong sentiment? Very strong sentiment...

In your preceding post you said that (though you admitted you may
have missed it) NO Muslim leader was condemning the attack.
Someone shows you that they very much are, and it seems like you
brush it off.

But perhaps that was truly not your intention. If I miss, I
apologize.

Regards,

Ed
 
Cau,

Fair enough if you question what is in the article. I hope you take absolutely NOTHING at face value. Absolutely nothing. From any side or faction. (We are a member of one, no?)

Are you looking for one specific religious leader in Islam? Does Christianity have one true religious leader? How about the Pope? Jerry Falwell? I'm sure you can come up with others. And it always seems that some Christians, even of good faith, will not follow whomever you might name.

My religion is not Islam. So I cannot point you to any one leader that might be listened to by all. But if you look without prejudice, you will recognize that Islam it is an old and noble religion. And that all worthwhile religions are very much uplifting moral structures.
I am looking for
response by the religious leader. I want to understand if it is
true that muslims really believe that the hijackers are going to
heaven by killing civilians. That their actions are considered
heroic and they served their God.
I will respond by re-typing for you a section of the article which I gave the link to:

The head of al-Azhar in Cairo, one of Sunni Islam's highest religious authority, said attacking innocent people was not courageous, but stupid and would be punished on Judgement Day. "It's not courage in any way to kill an innocent person, or to kill thousands of people including men and women and children," said Sheik Mohammed Sayed Tantawi.

Now, you may choose to disbelieve that. You may point to this or that zealot, Christian, Islam, Hindu, ... and say "well, they said that they carried out their action in the the name of their god, therefore that is what they are all taught, what they all believe in. Cau, I hope you know better than that. What I re-typed for you speaks very directly to the question you raised. If you were truthfully seeking an answer, and not just trying to make a 'cute' rhetorical point so you could see who would be stupid anough to try to address it when you knew your mind was already made up, if you undersand in your deepest heart what religions are all about, you will recognize the truth in the Sheik's words. You will realize that he wants people who practice Islam to be good people, and is working to help them be that. And you will see, in fact, that what is being taught is that the terrorists who carried out the heinous acts will find themselves punished by God.

On a side note, I see you are an engineer who lives in Fremont, California. Then quite possibly you have the opportunity to work with people of the Islamic faith - I do. If you do, talk to them. Listen with intent and honesty to what they might tell you. The heart and spirit of the ones I know often put the rest of us to shame.

My best regards,

Ed
 
The BBC news said,

During Friday prayers Muslim clerics in the Arab world have strongly condemned Tuesday's attacks in America.

I think this is good news for American. When American go after those who are responsable for the attack, we do not want the arab world to think the American is going after Muslims. We should welcome the news, don't we?

Percy
 
koo,
I also didn't see any tone to your question.
I think alot of us would also appreciate an honest answer.

Jim C.
Or will they be
expected to heed this call to a holy war? K.
Koo22, your tone just adds a stone to the bullying that these
peoeple have to face only because of their faith! Every religion,
Christianity especially, has its own shameful stories, when people
were called for a holy war. And what, does it mean that this
religion is bad now? What end do you mean to achieve by posting
these divisive, offensive statements?

It is very hard to be good when you are bullied like that. Even a
seemingly good person may start killing, as it happenes in the US
schools.

I am not saying this in reference to this particular muslim person,
of course, but yours is just another stone that will fuel the
hatred and the bloodshed.
 
Whoa.....back up! I was simply asking a question. I know nothing
about the Muslim religion. I honestly was asking if ALL Muslims
are "expected" to heed these very angry calls to war that are
coming from the Taliban. I'm sorry you thought that was offensive,
but if we don't ask questions, HOW are we supposed to try to
understand?? People are posting messages that we should try to
understand the anger towards America....now asking a question fuels
that anger? I guess this makes my point about trying to reason
with unreasonableness. How could anyone have taken a "tone" from
my question?? I really don't believe this. K.
Well koo22, I'm really sorry that I have misunderstood you. Your
questions were just looking somewhat rethorical - and that is of
course my fault if I missed your real point.

It is still strange that you even admit possibility that all
muslims could follow Taliban calls. Taliban are rulers of
Afghanistan only, they have no religious or state power anywhere
else except some followers in Pakistan, AFAIK. And, let's be more
accurate, Taliban did not "call for war"; a war is practically
declared to them by the U.S. President Bush and they call their
people to prepare for it.

But most importantly, you might have read today's news that
Pakistan ( I would not expect that!) offered its territory and
support to the US if they decide to strike Taliban forces. What
could more eloquently answer your question?..
 
The trouble is that the story didn't make it to the major news agencies in the US. The celebration of the Taliban threats by the Northern Pakistanies did though.

For good or bad, television will play a major role in the weeks and months to come.

Trent
During Friday prayers Muslim clerics in the Arab world have
strongly condemned Tuesday's attacks in America.

I think this is good news for American. When American go after
those who are responsable for the attack, we do not want the arab
world to think the American is going after Muslims. We should
welcome the news, don't we?

Percy
 
First I want to offer myprayers and condolences for the American people and family of the vicitims.

So you want another view??

I'm an Arab Muslim living in Kuwait. I speak for my country. Everyone in here is sad and condemning these attacks. Many people have put flowers, lighted candles and prayed for those vicitms in front of US embassy. Some people are saying Muslims leaders are not condemning these attacks. You are wrong. Gulf countries and many others even IRAN is condemning these attacks. You're only listening/reading to your version of news. Read our newspapers, magazines, etc. Everyone is sad for those victims. I arrived on Tuesday to my country from a long vacation.. when I saw the news, I couldn't believe it.. I still can't believe that someone could do such a horrible thing...

Believe me, it's double the pain for, me Arabs and Muslims especially Arab Americans and Muslim Americans. We're sad that thousands of innocent have lost their lives and almost everyone thinks we're terrorist and is blaming us for it. Don't judge Muslims and Arabs by what those madmen who probably make %.00000000000000000000001 of the arab and Muslims population. Those madmen do NOT represent us. In our Koran, it says if you killed one soul, it is like you had killed the whole population and if you saved one soul, it is like you had saved the whole population. You know, Islam comes from the word Salam which means in Peace in Arabic.

And regarding Muslims and Arabs should hand those terrorist, how can we hand those terrorist if we don't know where they are??? If a country as powerful as USA couldn't predict it or locate all those terrorist, how could 3rd world countries do it??? Think about it, please. Your CIA budget probably exceeds most 3rd world countries except Gulf countries.

I've got family and friends in USA. Some of them were beaten up, attacked or harrassed by words. Some of the female Muslims took of their Hijab (scarf) because they're afraid that someone will attack them and they would be attacked, if they wore it. It's sad to see that in a country like USA which fought hard for democracy, people are afraid to practise their faith. Please don't lose what you fought hard for.

I guess that is all I have to say..

Dalia
 
I would only hope that Kuwait would condemn this!! We saved your lives.. Imagine yourselves under Saddams rule? Glad you are behind us though as we may need you for airspace when WWIII starts...
First I want to offer myprayers and condolences for the American
people and family of the vicitims.

So you want another view??
I'm an Arab Muslim living in Kuwait. I speak for my country.
Everyone in here is sad and condemning these attacks. Many people
have put flowers, lighted candles and prayed for those vicitms in
front of US embassy. Some people are saying Muslims leaders are not
condemning these attacks. You are wrong. Gulf countries and many
others even IRAN is condemning these attacks. You're only
listening/reading to your version of news. Read our newspapers,
magazines, etc. Everyone is sad for those victims. I arrived on
Tuesday to my country from a long vacation.. when I saw the news,
I couldn't believe it.. I still can't believe that someone could do
such a horrible thing...

Believe me, it's double the pain for, me Arabs and Muslims
especially Arab Americans and Muslim Americans. We're sad that
thousands of innocent have lost their lives and almost everyone
thinks we're terrorist and is blaming us for it. Don't judge
Muslims and Arabs by what those madmen who probably make
%.00000000000000000000001 of the arab and Muslims population. Those
madmen do NOT represent us. In our Koran, it says if you killed
one soul, it is like you had killed the whole population and if you
saved one soul, it is like you had saved the whole population. You
know, Islam comes from the word Salam which means in Peace in
Arabic.

And regarding Muslims and Arabs should hand those terrorist, how
can we hand those terrorist if we don't know where they are??? If a
country as powerful as USA couldn't predict it or locate all those
terrorist, how could 3rd world countries do it??? Think about it,
please. Your CIA budget probably exceeds most 3rd world countries
except Gulf countries.

I've got family and friends in USA. Some of them were beaten up,
attacked or harrassed by words. Some of the female Muslims took of
their Hijab (scarf) because they're afraid that someone will attack
them and they would be attacked, if they wore it. It's sad to see
that in a country like USA which fought hard for democracy, people
are afraid to practise their faith. Please don't lose what you
fought hard for.

I guess that is all I have to say..

Dalia
 
I understand your concern, look at what happened to poor innocent Japanese living in USA after Pearl Harbour. I also do not blame all Araba Muslims.

Take care - my thoughts are with you.
First I want to offer myprayers and condolences for the American
people and family of the vicitims.

So you want another view??
I'm an Arab Muslim living in Kuwait. I speak for my country.
Everyone in here is sad and condemning these attacks. Many people
have put flowers, lighted candles and prayed for those vicitms in
front of US embassy. Some people are saying Muslims leaders are not
condemning these attacks. You are wrong. Gulf countries and many
others even IRAN is condemning these attacks. You're only
listening/reading to your version of news. Read our newspapers,
magazines, etc. Everyone is sad for those victims. I arrived on
Tuesday to my country from a long vacation.. when I saw the news,
I couldn't believe it.. I still can't believe that someone could do
such a horrible thing...

Believe me, it's double the pain for, me Arabs and Muslims
especially Arab Americans and Muslim Americans. We're sad that
thousands of innocent have lost their lives and almost everyone
thinks we're terrorist and is blaming us for it. Don't judge
Muslims and Arabs by what those madmen who probably make
%.00000000000000000000001 of the arab and Muslims population. Those
madmen do NOT represent us. In our Koran, it says if you killed
one soul, it is like you had killed the whole population and if you
saved one soul, it is like you had saved the whole population. You
know, Islam comes from the word Salam which means in Peace in
Arabic.

And regarding Muslims and Arabs should hand those terrorist, how
can we hand those terrorist if we don't know where they are??? If a
country as powerful as USA couldn't predict it or locate all those
terrorist, how could 3rd world countries do it??? Think about it,
please. Your CIA budget probably exceeds most 3rd world countries
except Gulf countries.

I've got family and friends in USA. Some of them were beaten up,
attacked or harrassed by words. Some of the female Muslims took of
their Hijab (scarf) because they're afraid that someone will attack
them and they would be attacked, if they wore it. It's sad to see
that in a country like USA which fought hard for democracy, people
are afraid to practise their faith. Please don't lose what you
fought hard for.

I guess that is all I have to say..

Dalia
 
Hello all,
first let me express my condolenses to all the american people and all
those hurt in these terrible attacks.
Up untill now i have restrained myself from commenting, since as an Israely,

i might be seem partial. (Well partial i am, i am in the party that is against terror). Now to the response:

1. Masha, i don't know where you've seen Saddam condemning the attacks. The truth is quite the opposite, he is the only arab world's leader who has not condemned it and who said that attacks are legitimate. He was so blunt, that some commentators were wondering whether he actually invites the finger to be pointed at him.

2. Yasser Arafat has the list of Islamic Jihad and Hammas leaders that are active terrorists but does nothing to stop them. He arrested foreign journalists that were shooting celebrations on West Bank & Gaza streets after the attack (One such norwegian journalist (don't remember his first name but the last name is Anderseen) is working for AP, and told that his tapes were confiscated by uniform wearing palestinian police).

The leader of Islamic Jihad went on air yesterday on palestinian (state driven) tv, telling that although his group did not performed the acts of terror, "america is our enemy as much as the zionist entity and we congratilate those who performed these attacks".
At arafat's whim this man could have been arrested, but he is not...

3. The mufti of jerusalem has called for the destruction of america, britain and israel in his taped prayer. He was a direct appointment of Yasser Arafat.

4. Look at what happened in denmark...

5. Arab members of Israely parliament, that have long been insighting the Israely Arab population, have refused to sign on condolenses letter to US, because it mentions the celebration that occured in PA. In "racist" Israel however, they are enjoying full immunity as members of parliament.

What's the point of what i'm saying:

1. Many arab leaders had condemned the attacks only as a lip service to avoid being targets of american response.

2. The general attitude of the people in these countries is unfortunately very anti western and anti anything that is not Islam.

3. I know my message suffers from over generalization, and there are many people in the arab world that are strongly against terror, but their voice is unfortunately only heard when threat of american retalliation is near.

A lot can be said about deep roots of this attitude of the muslim world towards the west, and one may find many real reasons, but i don't think this is good enough excuse for terror, and it's wide support in the general population of these countries.

This attitude hurts noone but themselve, after all, look at what happened after the demise of soviet union: many republics had received their freedom, the only one that did not, was the one that choose terror as it's way of action (chechen republic).
Arafat is one of the biggest Terrorist. I almost choked when I saw
him giving blood.. What a bunch of Hipocrits.. This does not fool
our U.S. Government. They know the liars and terrorists they have
to deal with and they will take care of the problem....
Please Jerry, let's be honest, lie and hypocrisy, sorry if it hurts
your feelings, are also features of the american international
policies. And how about harboring the egyptian terrorist?.. Just
don't tell me I am justifying something. I do not. But when fingers
are pointed, let no one be forgotten.

And, these facts are not meant to support that Arafat is good, but
only to show that all Muslim states did express the condemnation,
contrary to the statement of the person who said he did not seen
that on TV.
 
Dalia, do you also condemn the killing of innocent people in terror attacks on Israel? Or is one blood different from another?
First I want to offer myprayers and condolences for the American
people and family of the vicitims.

So you want another view??
I'm an Arab Muslim living in Kuwait. I speak for my country.
Everyone in here is sad and condemning these attacks. Many people
have put flowers, lighted candles and prayed for those vicitms in
front of US embassy. Some people are saying Muslims leaders are not
condemning these attacks. You are wrong. Gulf countries and many
others even IRAN is condemning these attacks. You're only
listening/reading to your version of news. Read our newspapers,
magazines, etc. Everyone is sad for those victims. I arrived on
Tuesday to my country from a long vacation.. when I saw the news,
I couldn't believe it.. I still can't believe that someone could do
such a horrible thing...

Believe me, it's double the pain for, me Arabs and Muslims
especially Arab Americans and Muslim Americans. We're sad that
thousands of innocent have lost their lives and almost everyone
thinks we're terrorist and is blaming us for it. Don't judge
Muslims and Arabs by what those madmen who probably make
%.00000000000000000000001 of the arab and Muslims population. Those
madmen do NOT represent us. In our Koran, it says if you killed
one soul, it is like you had killed the whole population and if you
saved one soul, it is like you had saved the whole population. You
know, Islam comes from the word Salam which means in Peace in
Arabic.

And regarding Muslims and Arabs should hand those terrorist, how
can we hand those terrorist if we don't know where they are??? If a
country as powerful as USA couldn't predict it or locate all those
terrorist, how could 3rd world countries do it??? Think about it,
please. Your CIA budget probably exceeds most 3rd world countries
except Gulf countries.

I've got family and friends in USA. Some of them were beaten up,
attacked or harrassed by words. Some of the female Muslims took of
their Hijab (scarf) because they're afraid that someone will attack
them and they would be attacked, if they wore it. It's sad to see
that in a country like USA which fought hard for democracy, people
are afraid to practise their faith. Please don't lose what you
fought hard for.

I guess that is all I have to say..

Dalia
 
Dalia, do you also condemn the killing of innocent people in terror
attacks on Israel? Or is one blood different from another?
Yes, I do condemn killing of innocent people in anywhere on earth, no matter what race,etc . I do condemn blowing yourself up in a place filled with unarmed, innocent people, etc. According to my religion, women, children, old people or any unarmed person should not be killed in a case of war.

IMHO, If someone wants to blow themselves up in a war, he or she can do it with a place filled with soldiers NOT innocent unarmed people.

And do YOU condemn killing unarmed innocent palestines in Israel?
 
No I don't condemn Killing the Militant Palastines in Israel. They strap bombs to young men and blow them up in restaurants. They take young Israeli children(kidnap them) and then **** and butcher themup. You call these sane people? More like Barbaric Animals to me.Israel is just defending herself. Arafat is Israel's Bin Laden. He is a known Terrorist and lets these acts go on..
Dalia, do you also condemn the killing of innocent people in terror
attacks on Israel? Or is one blood different from another?
Yes, I do condemn killing of innocent people in anywhere on earth,
no matter what race,etc . I do condemn blowing yourself up in a
place filled with unarmed, innocent people, etc. According to my
religion, women, children, old people or any unarmed person should
not be killed in a case of war.

IMHO, If someone wants to blow themselves up in a war, he or she
can do it with a place filled with soldiers NOT innocent unarmed
people.

And do YOU condemn killing unarmed innocent palestines in Israel?
 

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