Abeer Megahed
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Is it Time for Pro2?
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Stephen Kovac Jr
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I don't see Canon coming out with a Pro2 until later in 2006. The Pro1 is selling very well since Canon update the Pro1 firmware and fixed the dust problem with blue tape.
stern
Senior Member
i'll wait and see how sony's R1 does... nevertheless, i'd prefer a revamped pro2 (used to the canon way) to replace my S1. what do i expect from a pro2: larger sensor - less noise - higher useable ISO, IS (very important), AF-assist, fully useable super macro (like on the S2), swivel/twist monitor, hot shoe, CF/microdrive AND SD, USB 2, custom C1 and C2 settings, manual focusing via a ring on the lens, and i'd prefer AAs instead of a proprietary battery or at least the option to use AAs instead of a proprietary battery. remote controle, lens thread...
i also wouldn't mind if size increased a bit.
lets wait and see. i'm rather sure canon will come out with something new for the "prosumer", canon is just being overtaken by sony, panasonic... so they will have to react. coincidently, amazon.de in germany has stopped listin the pro1 over a month ago.
i also wouldn't mind if size increased a bit.
lets wait and see. i'm rather sure canon will come out with something new for the "prosumer", canon is just being overtaken by sony, panasonic... so they will have to react. coincidently, amazon.de in germany has stopped listin the pro1 over a month ago.
Stern,
seems you are seeking more for S3 than Pro2...
The thing is that to fight the noise problem to some significant degree the sensor size has to be at least around 1". That would make a huge lens diameter and overall weight for x5...10 zoom high quality fast lens... Probably the weihgt and size of R1... I'm not sure whether Canon did go this route with Pro2.
As to the availability and price I saw the quite horizontal trend for S2 and very sloping down prices for Pro1 - that may be indirect sign of Canon's next model - that's probably Pro1 successor(s) this year (October ?) and S3 in February 2006. Just my 'educated' guess.
seems you are seeking more for S3 than Pro2...
The thing is that to fight the noise problem to some significant degree the sensor size has to be at least around 1". That would make a huge lens diameter and overall weight for x5...10 zoom high quality fast lens... Probably the weihgt and size of R1... I'm not sure whether Canon did go this route with Pro2.
As to the availability and price I saw the quite horizontal trend for S2 and very sloping down prices for Pro1 - that may be indirect sign of Canon's next model - that's probably Pro1 successor(s) this year (October ?) and S3 in February 2006. Just my 'educated' guess.
Abeer Megahed
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Thanks all for your comments.
We all ask for lower noise but larger sensor will lead to an SLR type body and hence a different story with the lens setup. Part of what I expect is using the DIGIC-II chip to reduce the noise level at high ISO. But I think it is closer than PMA2006. Will see.
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We all ask for lower noise but larger sensor will lead to an SLR type body and hence a different story with the lens setup. Part of what I expect is using the DIGIC-II chip to reduce the noise level at high ISO. But I think it is closer than PMA2006. Will see.
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Funkyd3121
Senior Member
I had a dealer in CA tell me on the phone this past Friday that the Pro 1 has been discontinued.
Marco Nero
Veteran Member
Come on folks! Don't you remember the Sony F828? It was out WAY before the Pro 1 was announced at the following PMA. As usual, Sony have announced their big winner prior to Christmas and Canon (who are due for some new prosumers) are waiting until the 2006 PMA. Sony doesn't bother Canon. Canon's only rivals are Nikon and occasionally Olympus. In fact Sony are Cutting 7% of their workforce (10,000 people) this month as a result of poor performances in digital sales.
For what the Sony R1 offers, it's certainly intruiguing but I think most photographers would prefer to see a Canon CMOS on a Canon lens with similar (better?) features. There's more than one or two issues with the R1 which make it less than an ideal camera.
Expect to see some new Canon cameras at the 2006 PMA. Not before.
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stern
Senior Member
dont't forget X-mas is coming up! why wait for february? as you can read in the news section, europe is THE market for digital cameras, and we europeans buy this stuff either in december or next december...
mamallama
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More Marco misinformation: The Sony workforce cut is NOT this month. It is to take place over about 3 years. It's believed to be NOT because of poor digital sales as Marco stated, but because of Sony's late entry into the digital player market. See the accurate story here.
http://www.dpreview.com/news/0509/05092201sony_jobcuts.asp
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http://www.dpreview.com/news/0509/05092201sony_jobcuts.asp
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I think PMA 2006 is the deadline of Canon to release the new successor of Pro1. If new "Pro2" is not announced in or before PMA 2006. Canon is giving up the market of Prosumer DC.
A large portion of Canon Prosumer users will give up waiting the "Pro2" and try the new brand such as SONY, Fujifilm .....
Those competitors are making better Prosumer with much generous giving of full enhanced functions.
Canon should hurry up to develop or final test the new "Pro2" in order not to miss the PMA 2006. Once their customers switch and try other brands, there is no return because pieces of accessories such as Flash, adapters will be the barrier to them to move back to Canon family.
New Pro2 is expected to have:
1. Much better noise control
2. over 9Mpix
3. keeping 28mm or extend to 24mm eqv. lens (with at least 10X Zoom)
4. IS (most of the competitors are adding this features to their prosumer DCs)
5. Keeping the hot shoe (should be usable with AF assist with EX flashes)
6. CF II and SD support
7. Big aperture sizes till the tele end
8. GN 12 (m) internal flash light
9. DOF preview function
10. High res. EVF or real optical VF (for some new technology)
11. Veritical battery grip usable (optional)
We will see if Canon will make it.
A large portion of Canon Prosumer users will give up waiting the "Pro2" and try the new brand such as SONY, Fujifilm .....
Those competitors are making better Prosumer with much generous giving of full enhanced functions.
Canon should hurry up to develop or final test the new "Pro2" in order not to miss the PMA 2006. Once their customers switch and try other brands, there is no return because pieces of accessories such as Flash, adapters will be the barrier to them to move back to Canon family.
New Pro2 is expected to have:
1. Much better noise control
2. over 9Mpix
3. keeping 28mm or extend to 24mm eqv. lens (with at least 10X Zoom)
4. IS (most of the competitors are adding this features to their prosumer DCs)
5. Keeping the hot shoe (should be usable with AF assist with EX flashes)
6. CF II and SD support
7. Big aperture sizes till the tele end
8. GN 12 (m) internal flash light
9. DOF preview function
10. High res. EVF or real optical VF (for some new technology)
11. Veritical battery grip usable (optional)
We will see if Canon will make it.
Agreed 95%. Unless Canon will left the prosumer DC market to die on purpose or its inherent destiny - what Canon may do is providing DSLRs with live preview AND eventually video clip mode. Thus mirror should be up and special care should be built to prevent sensor overheat... But this is 5% possibility route IMHO.
Agreed as to Sony R1. But Fuji have to show its APS sensor yet.
That's for sure. Now outdated 2/3" Sony sensors are quite noisy @ISO 400.
Not that critical. Might be anywhere between 7 and 12 MPix.
Zoom factor might be just x5-7 to minimize weight/size.
Definitely.
SD will be sufficient.
Dreams. Maybe 3.5-4.5 at max tele.
Not sure you'll need that for small sensor. If you have EVF you are not that limited as in DSLR here.
OVF channal is probably the dead end in consumer DCs.
Well, at least noise/DR should be on pair or better than Sony R1 or Oly 4/3.
mamallama
Forum Pro
Why in the world would you even need a mirror if you can provide a live preview through the large CMOS sensor continuously without overheating as in the R1 AND you can get the new SED-technology display to have high resolution and refresh to rival the OVF. It won't even be a DSLR because there will bo no "R".
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Because R1 sensor just can't provide 30fps movie mode, and maybe Canon is not there either. I'd like very much to be wrong on that, maybe you do have some sensitive info?
That probably will be sooner than later.
I hope so - no flapping mirrors.
What if EVF with built-in IR sensor with scanner to follow the iris will try to guess your intentions like focusing and also adjust the DR and curves according to the scene and environmental light/contrast?
then we have some winter time to evaluate new camera low-light features... sure if Canon will release a HOT camera in end of February, there wouldn't be THAT much difference and it will sell like hot cakes anytime.
mamallama
Forum Pro
I'm not sure why it can't provide the 30fps movie mode. But since I don't mix my still and video photography and am satisfied with my video camera/ digital editing suite I just wish Canon or someome would make use of this recent technology for an improved digicam.
IIRC, Canon has (or had) a camcorder that tracks the iris of the eye to decide what to autofocus on. So I think the technology is available.
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SCotten
Well-known member
Sony (again) already has several high-end (HD) CMOS video cameras on the market. They apparently work extremely well, according to Luminous Landscape's reviews. Perhaps Canon are not so far ahead in this technology after all...
Sam Cotten
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Hards80
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i think canon is too dedicate to their dSLRs and not competing with them (in order to sell EF/EF-S lenses of course) to introduce an APS-sized sensor prosumer digicam..
more than likely a Pro2 will still use a smaller sensor and will be sized accordingly.. this will give some seperation between them and the digirebel series..
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Canon 20_D w/ various lenses and accessories.
Canon S_50 for when the above kit is too heavy
more than likely a Pro2 will still use a smaller sensor and will be sized accordingly.. this will give some seperation between them and the digirebel series..
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Dustin Hardwick
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Canon 20_D w/ various lenses and accessories.
Canon S_50 for when the above kit is too heavy
You are probably referring to Sony HDR-HC1 HDV Camcorder that has only 1/3" CMOS with about 3 MPix - definitely not in league for high IQ stills.
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