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yeah i'm pretty much looking at the D1h now, it seems ISO 3200 is useable. So now 4 batteries should give me what like 1,000 shots?
Jari M said:
I had D1 and loved it, except for batterylife. Do take at least 4
batteries for days shooting trip. And shoot RAW, forget jpeg. My D1
was quite beaten, mileage was high, trips to South Africa and India
for instance :-D. India was really dusty, hot and humid and D1 took
that without problems.

But don't agree with (was it Dave?) about D2H ;-D I just love it
more than D1. But there is a point to check if the metering has
been repaired.

If I'd be right now in position to choose between D1 or D1H. I'd go
for D1H.

Cheers, Jari
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Mike L.

 
ISO 3200 is usable but not great by any means. (I won't get OT and talk about the 20D's ISO 3200 :-D) Four new batteries will get you far more than 1000 shots. I don't know if Moose Peterson's web site still has the D1 info on it but it was recommended that new batteries be refreshed three times on the charger before use. I followed that advice even with the third party batteries and I had reasonable battery life.

I considered the original D1 but the D1H became available to buy from someone I trusted. I researched it and I made my choice. I later got several days to use a D2H. I loved the ergonomics and the flash with the latest Speedlight was dead-on. I just couldn't tolerate the noise level at all ISO's. It was not like my D1H at all. Then I started hearing about the meter failures and have read here about how some of the people were treated by Nikon regarding that. Just not a safe used purchase to make in my book. No hurt feelings intended :-D
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Heh no feelings hut here,

well I say the D1h has a more useable 3200 then the D1 for the most part because of the werid banding noise in it.

I did have some questions, if you did not know about long shots on the D70 you get this type of glow in the upper right, I take it the D1h does not have this problem right?

and the shutter sound it's softer right?

I think the Local newspaper here shoots with a D2h and I was just a bit curious, Also you said refreshing the battery, do you mean refresh them 3 times in a row?
dave newton said:
ISO 3200 is usable but not great by any means. (I won't get OT and
talk about the 20D's ISO 3200 :-D) Four new batteries will get you
far more than 1000 shots. I don't know if Moose Peterson's web site
still has the D1 info on it but it was recommended that new
batteries be refreshed three times on the charger before use. I
followed that advice even with the third party batteries and I had
reasonable battery life.

I considered the original D1 but the D1H became available to buy
from someone I trusted. I researched it and I made my choice. I
later got several days to use a D2H. I loved the ergonomics and the
flash with the latest Speedlight was dead-on. I just couldn't
tolerate the noise level at all ISO's. It was not like my D1H at
all. Then I started hearing about the meter failures and have read
here about how some of the people were treated by Nikon regarding
that. Just not a safe used purchase to make in my book. No hurt
feelings intended :-D
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Mike L.

 
The D1H is better than the D1 b/c it has better noise control, superior high ISO ability, buffer size, menu, and a few other quirks.

If you shoot well lit, they are almost identical image wise. So, save for the funny menu and interface, easy to master, the D1 is a great camera. Just bought a second one, body only for $375 - a D1H will cost around $800.

So, if lowlight is an issue and you need high ISO, the D1H hands down. Some say it is better than any other Nikon "pro" level camera, including D2H (which I have and it is) and the D2Hs.

If you are going to shoot with flash or outside sports ... the D1 will do just fine.

It is worlds better performance wise over the D70 for sports.
 
wow.. $375 are you finding them at 2nd hand shops or something?

a D1 goes for $550 on ebay with buy it now

a D1h does for $695
Mig said:
The D1H is better than the D1 b/c it has better noise control,
superior high ISO ability, buffer size, menu, and a few other
quirks.

If you shoot well lit, they are almost identical image wise. So,
save for the funny menu and interface, easy to master, the D1 is a
great camera. Just bought a second one, body only for $375 - a D1H
will cost around $800.

So, if lowlight is an issue and you need high ISO, the D1H hands
down. Some say it is better than any other Nikon "pro" level
camera, including D2H (which I have and it is) and the D2Hs.

If you are going to shoot with flash or outside sports ... the D1
will do just fine.

It is worlds better performance wise over the D70 for sports.
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Mike L.

 
But there will never be a new replacement for my d1h. All new ones will keep being more and more mp taking up enormous amounts of hard drive and storage space. For many things I use my d1h for the 2.7 mp and small files it produces are perfect. I almost never make anything larger than 8x10 and the d1h will go further than that. I believe that in the future they will find ways to fix the noise problems with higher mp's, but it doesn't seem that they are really there yet. Look at dp review's reviews and D1h still has lowest numbers on the noise scale at high iso speeds. I realize this isn't everyone's ideas, but it works for me. If I could buy a brand new d1h or equivalent for reasonable price, I would go for it in a minute. I"m just not overly impressed with higher mp counts. I only use more mp for more poor man's telephoto.
 
I wonder how many NEF files I can do on the D1h I use a 512mb card right now.

and not only would I have to wait for the D200 but I would have to spend more then I plan on.
RAL said:
But there will never be a new replacement for my d1h. All new ones
will keep being more and more mp taking up enormous amounts of hard
drive and storage space. For many things I use my d1h for the 2.7
mp and small files it produces are perfect. I almost never make
anything larger than 8x10 and the d1h will go further than that. I
believe that in the future they will find ways to fix the noise
problems with higher mp's, but it doesn't seem that they are really
there yet. Look at dp review's reviews and D1h still has lowest
numbers on the noise scale at high iso speeds. I realize this isn't
everyone's ideas, but it works for me. If I could buy a brand new
d1h or equivalent for reasonable price, I would go for it in a
minute. I"m just not overly impressed with higher mp counts. I only
use more mp for more poor man's telephoto.
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Mike L.

 
FWIW, my D1 can fit around 250 NEFs on a 1GB card. The D1 series doesn't support FAT32, though, so keep that in mind if you were planning for a greater-than-2GB card in the future.
Mike Lewis said:
I wonder how many NEF files I can do on the D1h I use a 512mb card
right now.

and not only would I have to wait for the D200 but I would have to
spend more then I plan on.
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The D1 has a tricky menu structure that requires you to memorize what various numbered custom settings do (or carry a cheat-sheet with you, which is what nearly everyone who owned one did). There were other improvements to the D1h, e.g. color space, etc., that made the D1h into a camera that made folks say it was what the D1 should have been. It really is the very best so far at higher-ISO work, and in my opinion it really is well worth the extra cost over an original D1.

Definitely make sure you have a spare charged battery with you though. The battery systems on the D70 and D2 bodies spoil you... you will need a spare battery for the D1 body on any extended shoot.

Ron
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Yes, refresh three times in a row. When the charger indicates the charge is complete after the refresh just press the refresh again. This was not my invention but that of a very knowledgable user and I followed the advice with good success. I don't remember how many shots after this I got on a battery but it was a large amount. Gradually the batteries degrade. I sold mine with four batteries. The original ones were pretty shot.

Card space is a real consideration. 1gig cards, even 80x ones are really cheap now. With the D1H you don't really need bigger cards. The small footprint that each shoot makes on your hard drive is another consideration. I shoot A LOT of images and for this reason I do really like my 1D too. 4mp files are a pretty nice size. 2.74mp are even smaller.

Don't listen to the kiddies that say to wait for a D200 or whatever. It may never happen. And if you think that 5fps is the same on a pro slr and and a lessor camera you are wrong too. I have a 20D and it can shoot at 5fps...sort-of. It's just not the same as a hi-perf camera like the D1H, old or not. The pro body focuses faster, calculates exposure faster and can keep-up with action. The 20D (which the "D200" will be similar to) can't.

All this being said...what is it that you intend to shoot? I don't want to lead you down the wrong path. The D1H may not be the right camera depending on your needs.
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I shoot nature for the most part, and I'm starting to do some Macro work and try what I can with Astrophotography.

And when the time is right I want to be able to set up a small portable studio, I take it I have what I need on my wishlist at B&H.

Also
dave newton said:
Yes, refresh three times in a row. When the charger indicates the
charge is complete after the refresh just press the refresh again.
This was not my invention but that of a very knowledgable user and
I followed the advice with good success. I don't remember how many
shots after this I got on a battery but it was a large amount.
Gradually the batteries degrade. I sold mine with four batteries.
The original ones were pretty shot.

Card space is a real consideration. 1gig cards, even 80x ones are
really cheap now. With the D1H you don't really need bigger cards.
The small footprint that each shoot makes on your hard drive is
another consideration. I shoot A LOT of images and for this reason
I do really like my 1D too. 4mp files are a pretty nice size.
2.74mp are even smaller.

Don't listen to the kiddies that say to wait for a D200 or
whatever. It may never happen. And if you think that 5fps is the
same on a pro slr and and a lessor camera you are wrong too. I have
a 20D and it can shoot at 5fps...sort-of. It's just not the same as
a hi-perf camera like the D1H, old or not. The pro body focuses
faster, calculates exposure faster and can keep-up with action. The
20D (which the "D200" will be similar to) can't.

All this being said...what is it that you intend to shoot? I don't
want to lead you down the wrong path. The D1H may not be the right
camera depending on your needs.
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Mike L.

 
How much time do I have after the low battery icon?
Ron Reznick said:
The D1 has a tricky menu structure that requires you to memorize
what various numbered custom settings do (or carry a cheat-sheet
with you, which is what nearly everyone who owned one did). There
were other improvements to the D1h, e.g. color space, etc., that
made the D1h into a camera that made folks say it was what the D1
should have been. It really is the very best so far at higher-ISO
work, and in my opinion it really is well worth the extra cost over
an original D1.

Definitely make sure you have a spare charged battery with you
though. The battery systems on the D70 and D2 bodies spoil you...
you will need a spare battery for the D1 body on any extended
shoot.

Ron
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http://digital-images.net
http://trapagon.com
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Mike L.

 
Heh I was the one that posted a link to battery barn..

The Quantum is too much for me.
knox said:
Mike . . . I'm sure someone has mentioned Battery Barn, right?
It's where I got my batteries . . . I also bought a Quantum 2x2
Turbo. It will run camera and flash. Though it's expensive and
it's one more thing to wear on a strap / carry around etc. I
usually use it on a job or if I am out all day.
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