The death of digital photography....

but when my pictures are printed out they look
just great and I have no probs sleeping at nite
over it 8))
So there you go, count me as another digital convert (!)
 
Check this out....

http://www.wrightphoto.com/DigitalCameras.html

Regards,
Don
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Clickin & a-grinin,
Don
Hi Don, Larz again,

I spent a little time looking at the wrightphoto website and have been left with a couple of questions.

It's obvious that they are down on digital photography, but once they scan an image, as they indicate they are expert on, aren't they IN the digital arena at that point? Apparently they are not against digital, just digital capture. They mention that they use digital imaging to repair and restore images, so if they do not put the repaired/restored image on film (which I know is possible, but seems rather cumbersome to me) and THEN print it, or would they print the repaired/restored digital image from their edited scan? It seems they are trying to be purists, but not quite. They also mentioned the RULES of digital imaging. I don't know what those are, but I hope I haven't broken any. I don't have any quarrel with their assertions that dye based prints will last longer than inkjet, after all, that appears to be part of what they are selling (along with only Samsung 35 mm cameras, apparently), and if I were selling my prints I suppose that would be an issue, but I wonder if they have given any thought to the fact that we can pretty much just print another if we want.

Oh well, just some musings on a Saturday morning.

Have a great day.

Larz
 
I read this obsolete thing all of the time. Listen, because a
better camera will be aviable in 12-18 months doesn't mean your
camera will cease to work. The problem here is not the technology,
but one's understanding of one's own requirements. YOU SHOULD NOT
BUY A DIGITAL CAMERA UNTIL ONE COMES ALONG THAT MEETS YOUR
REQUIREMENTS. WHen it does, more capable DCs will be released
subsequent to it, but you already have one that meets your need.
Advancing technology will make one's camera outdated, but not
necessarily obsolete. It becomes obsolete when it can no longer
perform the function for which you need it to perform.
We may not like the idea that the DC we buy today will be obsolete in 12-18 months, but it will be outmoded in design by then. It will still take the same pics it took when it was new, but later models will offer better image quality, more features...
We get bit
by techno-lust and lose control of our emotions. This does not have
to be.
It's partly lust, and it's partly because DC’s continue to improve at a rapid pace. I skipped the 3 MP rangefinder generation DC's and have been waiting for something that was truly different and better suite my needs. I hoped it would be the D7, but it may be the F707. Actually, the technology I want exists today, if I could combine the best features of the D7 and F707. I've pretty much decided on the F707, but since it falls short of what I want, I'll probably upgrade again within 12-18 months. I expect this trend will continue until DC’s catch up to film, which is a ways off.
 
Hi Larz,

I think there is room in this world for both digital and Film as many have stated oin this thread. I thik that WrightPhoto may be missing the "trend" and a "wave" that could "help" their company bridge the gap that is bound to impact their bottom line, sooner rather than later. I would also be willing to suggest that there are more people enjoying art today than ever before in history.... and a good deal of credit goes to the digital cameras that are selling like hotcakes!! While it may appear that there are many more "uninformed" art critics... Jeezzzz we all have to start somewhere.

Thanks for your post Larz,
Don
Hi Don, Larz again,

I spent a little time looking at the wrightphoto website and have
been left with a couple of questions.

It's obvious that they are down on digital photography, but once
they scan an image, as they indicate they are expert on, aren't
they IN the digital arena at that point? Apparently they are not
against digital, just digital capture. They mention that they use
digital imaging to repair and restore images, so if they do not put
the repaired/restored image on film (which I know is possible, but
seems rather cumbersome to me) and THEN print it, or would they
print the repaired/restored digital image from their edited scan?
It seems they are trying to be purists, but not quite. They also
mentioned the RULES of digital imaging. I don't know what those
are, but I hope I haven't broken any. I don't have any quarrel with
their assertions that dye based prints will last longer than
inkjet, after all, that appears to be part of what they are selling
(along with only Samsung 35 mm cameras, apparently), and if I were
selling my prints I suppose that would be an issue, but I wonder if
they have given any thought to the fact that we can pretty much
just print another if we want.

Oh well, just some musings on a Saturday morning.

Have a great day.

Larz
 
Wowser is right, Inspector G!

Whenever I have a few spare minutes when online I like to drop by those sites for a dose of reality and education. I, however, am reluctant to peruse the photography—it does nothing to assuage my latent inferiority complex. (:¬ > )

-Ed
That web site from Luminous Landscape is fantastic isn't it...
There's a gallery on that web site that has a picture that looks
like 3D... Wowser... Here's the URL:

http://www.luminous-landscape.com/burning_tree.htm

Regards,
Don
Herewith is my contribution. A reference to two pages of one of the
most illuminating digital photography sites of which I am aware. I
recommend that everyone engaged in digital photography visit this
font regularly.

http://www.luminous-landscape.com/understanding_resolution.htm
http://www.luminous-landscape.com/sharpness.htm

Not only will you learn the truth, you might be pleasantly surprised.

-Ed

BTW: Thanks, Don, for starting this. It is a subject that needs
more exposure (;¬ þ)
Check this out....

http://www.wrightphoto.com/DigitalCameras.html

Regards,
Don
--
Clickin & a-grinin,
Don
 
Which would be the major reason to upgrade to the F707. From my F505v the best I can do for an 8x10 is about 190 dpi. I have never considered this adequate but it is servicable.

-Ed
This is probably the most revealing concept in resolution I heard,
from the aformentioned site:

"Most photographers do their printing these days with a desktop
inkjet printer and the Epson Photo printers are the most popular so
I'll use them by way of example. These printers, such as the models
870/1270/2000P are (somewhat misleadingly) listed as 1440 dpi
printers. This means that they are capable of laying down that many
dots per inch. But, to create a colour image they need to use 6
different inks, so any particular pixel reproduced on a print will
be composed of some dithered composite of coloured dots using some
or all of these inks. That's why you need more dots from your
printer than you have pixels in your image.

If you divide 1440 by 6 you end up with 240. This is the true
minimum resolution needed to get a high quality photo-realistic
prints from a 1440 dpi Epson printer. Many user, myself included,
believe that a 360 ppi output file can produce a somewhat better
print. If my original scan is big enough to allow this I'll do so
but I don't bother ressing up a file to more than 240 ppi when
making large prints."
 
Talk about a little knowledge being a dangerous thing!

Herewith is my contribution. A reference to two pages of one of the
most illuminating digital photography sites of which I am aware. I
recommend that everyone engaged in digital photography visit this
font regularly.

http://www.luminous-landscape.com/understanding_resolution.htm
http://www.luminous-landscape.com/sharpness.htm

Not only will you learn the truth, you might be pleasantly surprised.

-Ed
You are most welcome, Lynda. These sites are all the better because besides coming from journeymen in the field there is no ax to grind and no religion to preach.

Explanations are clear, concise and detailed. They not only show you what to do but why you should do it and how it works.

Highly Recommended

-Ed
BTW: Thanks, Don, for starting this. It is a subject that needs
more exposure (;¬ þ)
Ed..
Thank you, thank you, thank you for pointing us in the direction of
this website. The Photoshop tutorial is worth more than any book
I've ever plunked my money down for, and all it cost me was a
little bit of ink.
Wonderful!
Lynda
 
To get one's perspective on digital vs. film one needs only to observe Kodak. The company cannot become digital fast enough before its film losses bleed it to death.

Digital kiosks in every drugstore, Picture CD for the family and Photo CD for the pro (anyone who turns to a company like Wright for scanning is woefully uninformed) and a major digicam at almost every price point—including at least 4 professional models.

The pathetic protestations of Wright Photo show it to be not only a company in denial but ill-positioned to service the market. It might as well be called Wright Buggy Whips.

-Ed
Check this out....

http://www.wrightphoto.com/DigitalCameras.html

Regards,
Don
--
Clickin & a-grinin,
Don
 
We may not like the idea that the DC we buy today will be obsolete
in 12-18 months, but it will be outmoded in design by then. It
will still take the same pics it took when it was new, but later
models will offer better image quality, more features...
More features? Possibly. Better image quality? That depends ENTIRELY on application. Many people are only watching pixel count. But most people aren't taking into account that the overwhelming majority of prints being made today are uncropped 4x6 inch prints. At 4x6 inches, one is going to be hard pressed to tell the difference between a 2.1MP image and a 5 MP image. So to speak about image quality without refering to print size is misleading. If the typical point and shooter simply wants to replace his film camera with a digital camera, anything over 2 MP is going to cost him more trouble than his application calls for.
 
Hi again Rd,

This is off the discussion topic, however the gallery at this url is something you'll enjoy. The guys name is Dave Rogge.
http://www.geo-images.com/

Regards,
Don
Digital kiosks in every drugstore, Picture CD for the family and
Photo CD for the pro (anyone who turns to a company like Wright for
scanning is woefully uninformed) and a major digicam at almost
every price point—including at least 4 professional models.

The pathetic protestations of Wright Photo show it to be not only a
company in denial but ill-positioned to service the market. It
might as well be called Wright Buggy Whips.

-Ed
Check this out....

http://www.wrightphoto.com/DigitalCameras.html

Regards,
Don
--
Clickin & a-grinin,
Don
 
great point mike, there is way to much emphasis on this obsolete issue,
if you have a DC that works well for you use it!

I keep reading about film resolution and how it is far superior, well let me say this , my house is full of 4x6 and 5x7 photos from a nikon 800 and printed from online labs such as walmart and shutterfly , and they blow all my 35 mm pictures away, I am not sure what dpi these online labs use but results are just clearly better than 35mm, sharper, better colors, ect.
resolution may not be the same as 35 mm but who cares, results are better!

also , walmart pictures from thier online store are the best I have gotton from any where,
anyway my nikon 800 is not a new model , but is still shooting kick ass shots.
obsolete, I think not!!!!
they've also got a page of facts to back up their claim... are
these points valid?

http://www.wrightphoto.com/Digital-vs-Film.html
Cubfan, wrightphoto has a keen grasp of the obvious. I've never
heard anyone say that DC's produce "better" images than film. So,
who are they trying to convince? Everyone already agrees with
them. The truth here is that DC’s are obviously cutting into
their film related profits, and they refuse to accept this reality.
They’re right about one thing, though. Sony, Canon, Nikon,
Oly, et al., are “taking us to the cleaners” with DC
purchases. The idea that someone would willingly spend $1,000 on a
camera which they know will be obsolete in one year is absurd.

Chuck
 
It is very easy for us to poke fun at this website; however, what they say, I am afraid, is not too far from the truth! Digitally scanning a slide (35mm or med. format) produces images VASTLY superior to those made with any digital camera that I can afford. However, those who proclaim the death of digital camera/photography are very wrong. The current crop of cameras produce excellent - to the unaided eye that is, i.e., no loupes etc. - 8x10s and I can easily change/update photographs of family, friends, even landscapes around the house easily without having to run to the nearest photo lab for E6 processing.
 
It is very easy for us to poke fun at this website; however, what
they say, I am afraid, is not too far from the truth! Digitally
scanning a slide (35mm or med. format) produces images VASTLY
superior to those made with any digital camera that I can afford.
However, those who proclaim the death of digital camera/photography
are very wrong. The current crop of cameras produce excellent - to
the unaided eye that is, i.e., no loupes etc. - 8x10s and I can
easily change/update photographs of family, friends, even
landscapes around the house easily without having to run to the
nearest photo lab for E6 processing.
Hi sam, that is so true. I found a picture taken September 2000 with a EOS5/Sigma HSM EX 70-200, had it scanned and tried to replicate it last week using a Fuji 6900. My first reaction at seeing both 10 x 8 inkjets was that the 6900 had the edge. It looked cleaner until viewed under my desk magnifyer. Both had the same inkjet dots but the EOS5 shot had additional black dots of grain, hence the 'cleaner' digital image. And when it came to detail, the digital image gave a suggestion of detail (as in a painting) whereas the film image carried actual detail. This applied to ballast chippings and surrounding foliage, whereas the man-made object (train) looked better on digital because as I said earlier it looked cleaner. At the moment I think film and digital complement each. There is no doubt the former is now idea for illustrating hardware catalogues, and film wins on landscapes.
Cheers, Larry
 
A stage coach driver once said, "Them trains are never gonna make it. Why they shouldn't even be called transportation cause they can only go from point A to B. Hell, I'm staying with the stage coach as it will always be the best form of transportation."
 
from a technical standpoint cds are better than vinyl (believe it
or not)...

You mean, that's what you prefer, right,not that the quality is better? Because the quality isn't better, although it sure is more convenient! It'd be great if it sounded as good. And, of all people, Sony started this absurd rumour that digital sound was superior to analogue. I guess that's what marketing's for!
will turn out like it did with CDs versus vinyl records...
No reason to get irritated with such issues, time will tell!
well everybody knows vinyl is better than cds....

digital brings conveinence
 
Don,

Interesting message. But Wright's message sounds like sour grapes to me. I have expermented with decent film cameras and high quality scanning; they still don't match the results I get with my CD300 and high quality, commercial printing from services ilke Filmworks or OFoto.

The era of digital photography really captured my imagination and got me interested in digital stills and video. It's fun, enjoyable and the quality is good.

Digital photography is here to stay. It's exloding in popularity! Look at the activity and success of this forum and site! And the resulting sales of digital imaging products! I rest my case.

Regards,

Geoff

--
Check this out....

http://www.wrightphoto.com/DigitalCameras.html

Regards,
Don
--
Clickin & a-grinin,
Don
 
explain to me how vinyl sounds better than a CD...
from a technical standpoint cds are better than vinyl (believe it
or not)...

You mean, that's what you prefer, right,not that the quality is better? Because the quality isn't better, although it sure is more convenient! It'd be great if it sounded as good. And, of all people, Sony started this absurd rumour that digital sound was superior to analogue. I guess that's what marketing's for!
will turn out like it did with CDs versus vinyl records...
No reason to get irritated with such issues, time will tell!
well everybody knows vinyl is better than cds....

digital brings conveinence
 

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