SheltieDog
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These look pretty good to me. Thanks for taking this kind of photo!
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P850 Low-Light performance
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Cold Snail
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ImageShack hosts files up to 1mb for free.
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Smugmug has an 8mb limit, but costs $30 a year.
If you want, you can send them here in their full glory and I will host them for you and give you the links.
(but it will cost you a raw file).
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Alright Mike. I was about the buy the Panasonic FZ5 but now I have no CHOICE but to hold off until I see some reviews on the P850. It was supposed to be available this month, right? There only 12 days left! If the P850 doesn't come out in August, I'll have to sue Kodak. And then probably buy their camera 
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But seriously, any news on the availability date?
.But seriously, any news on the availability date?
Atindra
Veteran Member
Really nice looking shots. I think you are the first to post from P850 on the forum, the much awaited camera. Could you find the way to post full size images? Can you put them on Kodak's site?
Atindra
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mike051051
Senior Member
I could have sworn I posted something on hybrid AF here earlier but do you think I can find it now?...................8^(
Anyway, Hybrid AF is our term for using both TTL (through the lens Auto Focus) and external AF sensors in combination. We use this system on the DX7440/DX7630/DX6490/DX7590/Z7590/Z730/Z760 and now the P850 and P880 also.
It just provides an extra measure of AF capability to try to increase the accuracy of acquiring focus. The external sensors can be shut off when using an accessory lens since some of the larger lenses can obstruct those sensors and would give a false reading to the system.
The external AF sensors are a type of IR sensor - can't be more specific than that - proprietary information
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Eastman Kodak Company
Anyway, Hybrid AF is our term for using both TTL (through the lens Auto Focus) and external AF sensors in combination. We use this system on the DX7440/DX7630/DX6490/DX7590/Z7590/Z730/Z760 and now the P850 and P880 also.
It just provides an extra measure of AF capability to try to increase the accuracy of acquiring focus. The external sensors can be shut off when using an accessory lens since some of the larger lenses can obstruct those sensors and would give a false reading to the system.
The external AF sensors are a type of IR sensor - can't be more specific than that - proprietary information
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Eastman Kodak Company
Cold Snail
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In other words, the bug eyes.
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zesta454
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The 850 is starting to interest me more, especially since the Panasonic Z30 hasn't resolved any of its noise issues, not to mention no practical RAW conversion software.
How much longer Mike@Kodak, till its released?
kel
How much longer Mike@Kodak, till its released?
kel
acuberos
Leading Member
Mike,
The P850 and P880 has built in RAW conversion software, that allow you to select several parameters to tune-up the resulting TIFF or JPEG image (sharpness, compression, white balance, file type, etc....), but I did not see another option in the manual to do the conversion in a PC, an option that will allow more fine tune-up control over the image.
Will Kodak release a PC based RAW conversion software or will only use the own camera conversion software?
Regards,
Alvaro.
The P850 and P880 has built in RAW conversion software, that allow you to select several parameters to tune-up the resulting TIFF or JPEG image (sharpness, compression, white balance, file type, etc....), but I did not see another option in the manual to do the conversion in a PC, an option that will allow more fine tune-up control over the image.
Will Kodak release a PC based RAW conversion software or will only use the own camera conversion software?
Regards,
Alvaro.
Mato34
Leading Member
Knowing the fact of the Fuji S5500 (the same that the FZ-30: only conversion to JPG) I thought that this could happen.
I don't know, but my Z2 does run with the "allegal" firmware that writes RAW files, so there is no official support for this. BUT, I have some options to process my RAW files, including conversion to NEF or DNG formats, and then processing with Adobe Camera Raw, Nikon Capture, Raw Shooter, and some others.
So we can hope that some ways to work with RAW files will appear, besides the official Kodak software.
Or at least I hope so...
Un saludo jefe.
I don't know, but my Z2 does run with the "allegal" firmware that writes RAW files, so there is no official support for this. BUT, I have some options to process my RAW files, including conversion to NEF or DNG formats, and then processing with Adobe Camera Raw, Nikon Capture, Raw Shooter, and some others.
So we can hope that some ways to work with RAW files will appear, besides the official Kodak software.
Or at least I hope so...
Un saludo jefe.
mike051051
Senior Member
Guys,
Right now, I'm not sure what the status of RAW editing will be outside of the Kodak EasyShare software. I will look into this.
I have tried the RAW editor in EasyShare and although it doesn't use the techno-speak terms for various editing controls, you CAN do the following edits:
White Balance: choose Auto, Daylight, Tungsten, Florescent or Click Balance. (click on an area that is supposed to be or that you want to be neutral gray)
Scene Balance: choose to edit Exposure, Shadow Detail, Highlight Detail and Flare correction each with it's own slider control. These give a manual way of affecting overall contrast.
Picture Detail: which gives you a slide editor for Noise Suppresion and a separate one for Sharpness.
You can also rotate the image in 90 degree increments, pick from Scene Effects - convert to B&W or Sepia or apply one of a group of overall effect choices - Forest, Scenic, Portrait or Sunset, which are pre-packaged effects, mostly influencing color balance and contrast.
You can save the file as BMP, JPEG or TIFF as well as the original RAW format again. The amount of JPEG compression for saving is chosen in the overall software preferences.
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Mike O'Brien
Eastman Kodak Company
Right now, I'm not sure what the status of RAW editing will be outside of the Kodak EasyShare software. I will look into this.
I have tried the RAW editor in EasyShare and although it doesn't use the techno-speak terms for various editing controls, you CAN do the following edits:
White Balance: choose Auto, Daylight, Tungsten, Florescent or Click Balance. (click on an area that is supposed to be or that you want to be neutral gray)
Scene Balance: choose to edit Exposure, Shadow Detail, Highlight Detail and Flare correction each with it's own slider control. These give a manual way of affecting overall contrast.
Picture Detail: which gives you a slide editor for Noise Suppresion and a separate one for Sharpness.
You can also rotate the image in 90 degree increments, pick from Scene Effects - convert to B&W or Sepia or apply one of a group of overall effect choices - Forest, Scenic, Portrait or Sunset, which are pre-packaged effects, mostly influencing color balance and contrast.
You can save the file as BMP, JPEG or TIFF as well as the original RAW format again. The amount of JPEG compression for saving is chosen in the overall software preferences.
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Mike O'Brien
Eastman Kodak Company
Mato34
Leading Member
It seems that the Easyshare is more than enough to do some basic process on the RAW file.
In my previous message I wanted to say that enthusiast users that know about computing, can be a real help some times and by doing just simply programs can open a variety of options. In the case of my Z2, just two simple conversors written in C (one to NEF, and another to DNG), allows the files to be used by a lot of process tools.
And by the way Mike, yesterday I thought about you just looking at the candle photos. Perhaps I felt that we (all the people here) were seeing you as "Kodak source" more than a fellow as any other. Yes, we always thank you every info you gave us, but I feel that always is present the fact that you are someone "convenient" to us.
Maybe this is something logical. Maybe you like this (sure we do!), but looking at the photos of the candles and that woman I realised that there was a real man rear that "Mike from Kodak", just like any of us, that like photos, cameras, or whatever, and perhaps this is ellapsed by your job at Kodak.
Anyway, I must confess I really like the fact that someone like you is talking with us here. And in fact, you're a fellow like us. You and Ron Baird (which is "missing" actually ).
Sorry if this is a little confused... And, again, sorry about my poor english.
Best regards.
In my previous message I wanted to say that enthusiast users that know about computing, can be a real help some times and by doing just simply programs can open a variety of options. In the case of my Z2, just two simple conversors written in C (one to NEF, and another to DNG), allows the files to be used by a lot of process tools.
And by the way Mike, yesterday I thought about you just looking at the candle photos. Perhaps I felt that we (all the people here) were seeing you as "Kodak source" more than a fellow as any other. Yes, we always thank you every info you gave us, but I feel that always is present the fact that you are someone "convenient" to us.
Maybe this is something logical. Maybe you like this (sure we do!), but looking at the photos of the candles and that woman I realised that there was a real man rear that "Mike from Kodak", just like any of us, that like photos, cameras, or whatever, and perhaps this is ellapsed by your job at Kodak.
Anyway, I must confess I really like the fact that someone like you is talking with us here. And in fact, you're a fellow like us. You and Ron Baird (which is "missing" actually
).Sorry if this is a little confused... And, again, sorry about my poor english.
Best regards.
Mike, I didn't realize that this hybrid AF had appeared on earlier cameras. Once I saw your post, I went to dcresource and devoured the reviews of those cameras. Lo and behold, all of them got high marks on the low light photography, even without an AF assist lamp! I am just SO impressed! Kodak really got one ahead of the competition with this hybrid AF. Anyway, now I'm very excited at the prospect of the p850, and can't wait to see the first reviews!
Thanks for all the help!
Shraga
acuberos
Leading Member
Thanks,
Alvaro.
Alvaro.
Atindra
Veteran Member
Thats great info-and Kodak has tried to cover most commonly used tweaks in RAW editing software. I am really in a que for P-850 now.
Atindra
Atindra
acuberos
Leading Member
Mike,
The image stabilization default mode is continuous, according to the manual availiable from Kodak web sites.
In reviews from other cameras with image stabilization systems, the mode that gives better results is "single", and additionally, the continuous mode drains faster the battery. The parameter can be changed in the setup to "single" or "off", but you must go to the setups menus to do each time.
There is an option to change the IS mode using the "program" button?
Thanks,
Alvaro.
The image stabilization default mode is continuous, according to the manual availiable from Kodak web sites.
In reviews from other cameras with image stabilization systems, the mode that gives better results is "single", and additionally, the continuous mode drains faster the battery. The parameter can be changed in the setup to "single" or "off", but you must go to the setups menus to do each time.
There is an option to change the IS mode using the "program" button?
Thanks,
Alvaro.
mike051051
Senior Member
Alvaro,
No, you can't assign the stabilization to the program button. Sorry about that. But at least it's fairly quick to get to it in the menus.
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Mike O'Brien
Eastman Kodak Company
No, you can't assign the stabilization to the program button. Sorry about that. But at least it's fairly quick to get to it in the menus.
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Mike O'Brien
Eastman Kodak Company
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