Imbedded Image Test

no ofoto doesn't work, your pbase image shows up but the ofoto one does not, the reason it works for you is because the browser has it cached...

ofoto does not allow deep linking or referrers , the 5 or 6 postings in this thread seemed to have proved that beyond a doubt =)

charlie..
 
Charlie,
Looks like you have this one solved. You are correct about the cache.
OFOTO doesn't work, pbase does.
no ofoto doesn't work, your pbase image shows up but the ofoto one
does not, the reason it works for you is because the browser has it
cached...

ofoto does not allow deep linking or referrers , the 5 or 6
postings in this thread seemed to have proved that beyond a doubt =)

charlie..
 
its a common technique amongst these kinds of websites, they check
the referrer and/or have cookies.

Often if you've logged in or have your own account and a "cookie"
then you can see them, which causes a lot of perplexed looks on the
posters side. Or if the image is cached, but generally you still
have to have actually gone to the site through normal means.

I'll bet peter logged into the site, opened up the page via opohto
or cut and paste, if it was cut n paste then they are disallowing
referrers,if it was another method its cookies.
Actually, I just went to the site that Jarrell indicated in his first URL and looked at the image of the moon and bird. Then I used Internet Explorer 5's "Open in New Window command that shows up when you hold a mouse click on an image. The new window opened and I copied the Address: line and pasted it into my message.

The odd thing is, after Charlie noted that he couldn't see it in this page:

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1007&page=1&message=1461672

I went back to that URL and brought the page up with image intact. Dunno why it doesn't work for everyone. So the next test was with Netscape 6 and lo and behold: no image.

So on my Mac it shows under Internet Explorer 5 only. Huh.
a semicolon at the end is phils way of stopping the image inlining
soyou hae to click to see it.

for instance i cut n paste peters version of the link into a new
instance of the browser, saw the picture, then copied this link,
did a preview of this post and the picture appears, but it probably
won't appear for anyone whos not opened it up as a virgin instance.

http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=1529302&a=11577594&p=46421468&Sequence=0&res=high

charlie
I think like this. I believe you need the semicolon (;) at the end
of your link.

http://albums.photopoint.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=1529302&a=11577594&p=46421468&f=0

Andy
Well, that didn't work. Maybe you don't need the semicolon.

http://albums.photopoint.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=1529302&a=11577594&p=46421468&f=0
 
"deep links" are biz talk for html links that bypass all the ad's, index pages and associated perhipery that make the money for the sites (usually)

for instance

normal link
http://www.sierraimaging.com/

deep link (this is a file stored deep in the web site)
https://www.sierraimaging.com/demos/WS_FTP.LOG

pay per use sites or ones that earn a living by punters reading the advertisements wanted a way to stop people going straight to the payload, and thus was born the referrer block.

A referrer is the name of the site you came from, or referred you to the current site.

So in the embedded image case the referrer is http://www.dpreview.com since thats where you are following the link from, where you clicked it, the apache web/https server at ofoto looks at the referrer and if its not ofoto.com it refuses the link.

Also there are programs called proxy servers that do the blocking as well, in a similar way.

Its a wide topic and you can read about it in most "how to setup a web site" type guides. Though be warned http servers are associated setups are very terse indeed

Its an interesting policy because its basically how the web works in the first place, however in a lot of cases its fair, take dpreview.com, a lot of people try to circumvent the adverts but its how phil makes some of the money for the site, its free to us, a bit like television.

heres a related story about deep linking, where Universal wants to stop people deep linking.

http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,20948,00.html
http://www.insiderreports.com/storypage.asp_Q_ChanID_E_WB_A_StoryID_E_20000593

unfortuantely i picked it up along the way , i do a lot of programming on web stuff and servers etc so the knowledge comes with it. Maybe someone else has a good book reference, the only one i can think of is the apache administrators guide by o'reilly but its an advanced title.

charlie
as i said in other parts of this thread ofoto blocks referrers and
deep links like this..

charlie..


Keep shootin'
Lonnie
 
Thanks, Charlie
for instance

normal link
http://www.sierraimaging.com/

deep link (this is a file stored deep in the web site)
https://www.sierraimaging.com/demos/WS_FTP.LOG

pay per use sites or ones that earn a living by punters reading the
advertisements wanted a way to stop people going straight to the
payload, and thus was born the referrer block.

A referrer is the name of the site you came from, or referred you
to the current site.

So in the embedded image case the referrer is http://www.dpreview.com
since thats where you are following the link from, where you
clicked it, the apache web/https server at ofoto looks at the
referrer and if its not ofoto.com it refuses the link.

Also there are programs called proxy servers that do the blocking
as well, in a similar way.

Its a wide topic and you can read about it in most "how to setup a
web site" type guides. Though be warned http servers are associated
setups are very terse indeed

Its an interesting policy because its basically how the web works
in the first place, however in a lot of cases its fair, take
dpreview.com, a lot of people try to circumvent the adverts but its
how phil makes some of the money for the site, its free to us, a
bit like television.

heres a related story about deep linking, where Universal wants to
stop people deep linking.

http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,20948,00.html
http://www.insiderreports.com/storypage.asp_Q_ChanID_E_WB_A_StoryID_E_20000593

unfortuantely i picked it up along the way , i do a lot of
programming on web stuff and servers etc so the knowledge comes
with it. Maybe someone else has a good book reference, the only one
i can think of is the apache administrators guide by o'reilly but
its an advanced title.

charlie
as i said in other parts of this thread ofoto blocks referrers and
deep links like this..

charlie..


Keep shootin'
Lonnie
 
That one didn't work for me but how about this:



That is the URL to the image alone. It was presented on a page by itself using the "Open Image in New Window" option and shows the picture just fine in preview.
Also the thumb:



But it would seem that not all A) Browsers or B) Cookie-laden requesting computers are equal if this doesn't show up for everybody...

-iNova
 

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