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According to the document properties for that PDF in Acrobat Pro 7:

Author: Jim Bowes of Cayenne Communications
Manager: Mariska van Geel

Creation Date: 8th August @ 11:49:13+02:00 (that matches NL where Cayenne are based - http://www.cayenne.nl )
Modification Date: 8th August @ 11:50:52+02:00
Keywords: D92 DVD Recorder (huh?)

HOWEVER!

If you go here:

http://www.gepir.org/client.htm

and do an EAN13 GTIN lookup on the 5D code from the brochure (4960999295770) it will give you the address of the company that owns that particular barcode. It's in Japanese, but here is Canon Japan's address in English:

CANON inc. Shimomaruko. 3-302,. Ohtaku, Tokyo 1468501, Japan.

BINGO! Looks like we have a winner!

Andy
 
...the things people can do these days on the web...

my hat goes off to you

remosito
Andy Blanchard said:
According to the document properties for that PDF in Acrobat Pro 7:

Author: Jim Bowes of Cayenne Communications
Manager: Mariska van Geel
Creation Date: 8th August @ 11:49:13+02:00 (that matches NL where
Cayenne are based - http://www.cayenne.nl )
Modification Date: 8th August @ 11:50:52+02:00
Keywords: D92 DVD Recorder (huh?)

HOWEVER!

If you go here:

http://www.gepir.org/client.htm

and do an EAN13 GTIN lookup on the 5D code from the brochure
(4960999295770) it will give you the address of the company that
owns that particular barcode. It's in Japanese, but here is Canon
Japan's address in English:

CANON inc. Shimomaruko. 3-302,. Ohtaku, Tokyo 1468501, Japan.

BINGO! Looks like we have a winner!

Andy
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If you look at the front image it has a clip for the camera strap on the right side of the camera (as we view it). The clip doesn't exist on the image of the back.
 
Gil Grisom?
Andy Blanchard said:
According to the document properties for that PDF in Acrobat Pro 7:

Author: Jim Bowes of Cayenne Communications
Manager: Mariska van Geel
Creation Date: 8th August @ 11:49:13+02:00 (that matches NL where
Cayenne are based - http://www.cayenne.nl )
Modification Date: 8th August @ 11:50:52+02:00
Keywords: D92 DVD Recorder (huh?)

HOWEVER!

If you go here:

http://www.gepir.org/client.htm

and do an EAN13 GTIN lookup on the 5D code from the brochure
(4960999295770) it will give you the address of the company that
owns that particular barcode. It's in Japanese, but here is Canon
Japan's address in English:

CANON inc. Shimomaruko. 3-302,. Ohtaku, Tokyo 1468501, Japan.

BINGO! Looks like we have a winner!

Andy
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the price. for $3500 I can just wait til the 1D is on sale someplace for $4K or there about and have a much better camera. which I won't do either, but I'm just saying. however if they do bring it out for around $2500 it's possible.
 
Andy Blanchard said:
If you go here:

http://www.gepir.org/client.htm

and do an EAN13 GTIN lookup on the 5D code from the brochure
(4960999295770) it will give you the address of the company that
owns that particular barcode. It's in Japanese, but here is Canon
Japan's address in English:

CANON inc. Shimomaruko. 3-302,. Ohtaku, Tokyo 1468501, Japan.
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Unfortunately that's one of the easiest things to fake. Bar codes are not arbitrarily assigned, the first 6 (IIRC) digits identify the company so 4960999-anything is issued by Canon.

Doesn't matter, I said hours ago that I think the document is for real and your detective work, although not proof, is another useful clue.
 
Steve Balcombe said:
Andy Blanchard said:
If you go here:

http://www.gepir.org/client.htm

and do an EAN13 GTIN lookup on the 5D code from the brochure
(4960999295770) it will give you the address of the company that
owns that particular barcode. It's in Japanese, but here is Canon
Japan's address in English:

CANON inc. Shimomaruko. 3-302,. Ohtaku, Tokyo 1468501, Japan.
Click to expand...
Unfortunately that's one of the easiest things to fake. Bar codes
are not arbitrarily assigned, the first 6 (IIRC) digits identify
the company so 4960999-anything is issued by Canon.

Doesn't matter, I said hours ago that I think the document is for
real and your detective work, although not proof, is another useful
clue.
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I hae to say. anyone that would go through ALL this trouple to make a fake document and photos needs a life. even I have more of a life than this so I have to believe there is no one out there that's lonely enough to sit there all day making PS'd images and making sure the bar codes and authors of PDF files are all in line just to fool a bunch of people on an internet forum. there has to be something about all this.
 
I know of someone that spent 2 years on a hoax and spent 4 to 6 hours a day keeping the hoax alive. I admire the guy for all of his efforts. (I was more mad I missed the obvious clues however.)
coty41 said:
I hae to say. anyone that would go through ALL this trouple to
make a fake document and photos needs a life. even I have more of
a life than this so I have to believe there is no one out there
that's lonely enough to sit there all day making PS'd images and
making sure the bar codes and authors of PDF files are all in line
just to fool a bunch of people on an internet forum. there has to
be something about all this.
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wow. so maybe I'm not so bad afterall.
Vinnie Pasetta said:
coty41 said:
I hae to say. anyone that would go through ALL this trouple to
make a fake document and photos needs a life. even I have more of
a life than this so I have to believe there is no one out there
that's lonely enough to sit there all day making PS'd images and
making sure the bar codes and authors of PDF files are all in line
just to fool a bunch of people on an internet forum. there has to
be something about all this.
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I have no opinion as to the genuineness or otherwise of the PDF document, but I thought it would be interesting to analyse the sensor size and see how it compares to existing sensors.

If we believe the document, that the sensor is full frame (35.8 x 23.9 mm), then the photosite size is approx 8.2 microns on each side, approx 67 microns square. The 20D photosite size is around 6.42 microns, approx 41 square microns.

This means that the photosite area increases by over 60%, a very significant increase. Of course, this doesn't take into account whatever boundaries or other unused area is on the die. Compare this to the 1Ds II with a photosite size of 7.2 microns, area 51.8 square microns. Also, to the 1D II, which has a photosite size of 8.2 (hmmm, now that's a coincidence :-). I also note that the 1D II has an option of 50 and 3200 ISO, also listed on the PDF in question.

As speculation, consider a sensor like the 20D (6.42 microns), and given the resolution of 4368 x 2912, you find that this works out to be almost an exact match for a 1.3 crop sensor. Interesting...

Further speculation, if we don't accept the PDF as true in every respect, then there are a couple of options that may fit some of the numbers:
  • a full frame 4368x2912 sensor using the same basic photosite as the 1D II. In other words, a 1D II sensor expanded to full frame. This would explain the photosite size and ISO ratings. However, this does imply that Canon are doing an extraordinary job with their sensor yields to be able to get the price down.
  • a 1.3 crop sensor that uses the same photosite size as the 20D. This would make more sense if you take the argument that sensor yields are a big factor in the price.
Now, I'm a software guy, but I've worked with some chip makers, so have a bit of a clue about dies and yields. However, this stuff is a real moving target in terms of fab processes and technology, and things move quickly, so unless you are in touch which what is happening on the ground in this area, I wouldn't make too many assumptions. It's possible that a FF sensor can be made at the right price point - yet another example of technology advances taking us by surprise. However, I figure that the economics of chip yield still apply, and that for the larger area of sensor, they are paying a hefty premium.

I don't know - the jury is still out as to whether the official product matches whatever this document purports. If so, that's fabulous, and we can only rejoice in that (I think I'd buy one). But I think an argument can be made that a more realistic option is a 1.3 crop using the 20D photosite size, giving better yield and a sharper price.
Interesting times, for sure!
Cheers,
AMc
 
Why? They have two years of experience with this sensor. Well tested in 1Ds and in their lab. New sensor will be based on old one/not implemented again w/o changes. Larger pixel size might be helpful considering 1.000.000 needed units instead of 100.000 (or so) for 1dsMk2.

And personally I love 1ds image quality, and see no reason of making pixel size smaller.
 
Pretty much, it's more like a FF sensor in the 20D body w/ some firmware difference.
It's not water/dust resistance
same 9point AF
same battery
difference grip
but adding ISO50 in 1/3 increment

But if, the 5D make the 1Ds price drop to less than $5K, I might consider the old 1Ds.

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