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Remember this monster? The Polaroid PDC3000. I wonder how many of them they sold? Maybe wazaa has a cupboard full of them, with a space for one of Kodak's new offerings. Attic stuff only......



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Kodak hired the whole bunch of Holga designers. They also made a deal with the consultant company that used to work fr the Trabant car company. I love the new cameras. They bring the flavour of the good old days of communist merchandise.

Fabio
 
  • macro on both is very poor
  • MASSIVE LCD with only 115K pixels
  • the 850 appears neutered with a relatively simple control over parameters
  • despite a relatively large CCD they still seem concerned over noise as ISO400 is as far as they go in reality.
  • why the manual zoom ring on just one model???????????
  • why no optical viewfinder on the 850?????
I swear i'll make a camera myself if no oen else can do it .. there is a clear market there for a "fixed lens SLR" so to speak but no one wwants to fill it!!
 
The sensor is a 1/1.8", just like the Panasonic FZ30, Olympus Stylus 800.

The specs and user manual could be found from Kodak web site:

http://www.kodak.com/global/en/service/products/ekn030484.jhtml?pq-path=10/3905/7475/7493

The P880 features are really nice. Controls are DSRL like, including dedicated buttons to ISO, Exposure mode, White balance, and also include a programable button for coomon used fucntion, like white balance adjustment. It has a lot of manual options, like manual zoom and focus ring around the lens (like Lumix FZ30 and Fuji s9000), support RAW & TIFF files, has histogram and highlight and shadows clipping, etc.

Like advance EVF digicams, it has some nice movie mode: 640x480 at 30fps, zoom can be used during movie recording, and has some nice movie editting function built-in.

Alvaro.

Alvaro.
 
eric_j_h said:
design the ugliest looking digital camera to date? I honestly don't
understanding what they are doing - except perhaps accelerating
towards the edge of a large cliff.
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1. The P850 has the same EVF as the P880, it has 237k pixels of resolution. The only way to have an optical viewfinder with a 12x zoom lens is with an SRL viewfinder.....

2. The P880 is more pro oriented as the P850, that is why it has more DSRL like features:
  • 8 Mpixels sensor
  • wider angle zoom lens (most DSRL normal zoom lenses start at 28mm, not 35 mm)
  • More buttons directly associated to manual options (ISO, White balance, exposure mode)
  • manual rings around the lens for zoom and focus
The P850 have almost the same control over parameters, but it does not have dedicated buttons for them. You should access the functions using the jog dial combined with buttons... Much better is the P850....

Yes, the LCD resolution could be better, but most LCD from DSRL and other similar cameras have the resolution equal or just a little better.

Macro mode is not the best, but not terrible...

Alvaro.
 
Well after reading it over and over again. Both the press release and all the product info on the forum as well as the ones on Kodak's site. This is what I fell about the P800 & P850. Well clearly Kodak's listernign to a lot of customers, especially the prosumer/ consumer DSLR gangs. Yes there is a plus to having video in addition to real time display on LCD. But I am afriad Kodak really blow it with thier imaging and sensor system.

I cannot belive my eye when I read the ISO is only 50-200 in the P800, the P850 better, but tops at 400. So we know Kodak's DC section are run by the former Oly DC boss and Oly had tie up with Panasonic. The P850 had what looks to be an OEM version of the FZ20's lens. And just previous thread had stated, the lack of a flipping articulated LCD display is a point to consider. Though we must give Kodak the merit of pricing it far more leniant than the competetions. Still it looks half hearted approach compare to the like of the S9000 from Fuji and FZ30 from Panasonic. ( and might be some from other Mfr )

I am sctually quite happy to see Kodak making some effort. The new V-550 looks to be a winner. But this P series had me wondering if I am making a judgement too hastely ...

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Franka
 
Why all so negative.
This is NOT a cam to compete against FZ30 or S9000.
It's a beginners' DSLR.

Not everyone needs all bells and wistles (and difficulties) of advanced cams, but does like a DSLR 'PRO'-looking cam.
Nice of Kodak !
 
eric_j_h said:
Remember this monster? The Polaroid PDC3000. I wonder how many of
them they sold? Maybe wazaa has a cupboard full of them, with a
space for one of Kodak's new offerings. Attic stuff only......
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I never said I was going to buy one ?

You certainly seemed worked up - take a pill and have a power nap ?
 
eric_j_h said:
I was beginning to think it was just me. Of course pleasing to the
eye design is important. Thanks for the back-up.
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and you do need backup. What is a "good looking" camera again ? You never were able to articulate that concept.
 
...In an ungainly sort of way!!! Kind of like the ugly duckling!!!

Truthfully, if it takes good pictures, why would anyone care about what it looks like...
 
How much of the camera do you still see when you look through the viewfinder ?

If you just want the looks, get one a those Technicolor Barbie toys from Sony.

For photography, these two Kodak cameras might be a pleasant surprise.

I agree that their looks are a bit, shall we say, ‘bold’ ? but why not wait until we see hands on test reports and some sample shots before shoot them down ?
 
BJN said:
You're right, these are warthogs.

Those folks who think design and aesthetics are shallow concerns
would make very poor product marketers. No matter how well these
new cameras may perform, the market also has design expectations.
Perhaps Kodak's research has identified an underserved niche of
folks who have been waiting for a camera that can be used to scare
children and pets...if so, these cameras look perfect for the job!

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BJN
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I never said it was ugly or good looking. I have however asked what makes a good looking or ugly camera and E hase been unable to articulate that

Design (as you would know being a good marketer) is about much more than being "good looking".

Or do you mean, you want a camera to look like all others ?

I doubt I'll be buying one of the Kodaks' (I have my eye on anoither brand) but it's interesting that you and ohers don't really even know what you mean
 
In my humble opinion these new Kodak cameras are going to be a huge hit. They are both well priced, they both have hot-shoe, RAW, Manual controls, IS, ah and great "Kodak colors". Let's see how speedy and noise free they will be compared to the competition.

PS They look fine to me, the only thing I would have prefer is a silver version (I like the discretion of silver)
 
The gap in the market has not been addressed, Speciafically useable ISO800+ accurate focussing/zooming (optical viewfinder and manual focus/zoom ring). I admire Kodak for giving it a go but again i'm dissapointed.
 
Fabio Amodeo said:
Kodak hired the whole bunch of Holga designers. ... I love the new cameras.
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Yeah, I thought of the Holga also. Kodak has invested heavily in China (Lucky Film), so it looks as if they choose Holga bodies now instead of Nikon now.

With the big market in China it was a wise decision. The Chineses are used to the design already. And the US goes lowly but slowly bancrupt, so Kodak banks on the future in China.

AND: The Holga is one of the most sold cameras in the world ... so ugliness does sell.

Ehm, when the Trabant as introduced it was state of the art in design (the western products didn't look very different)
 
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