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eric_j_h said:
Not of paramount importance - especially to advanced
users/semi-pros. But I don't think that is who Kodak is aiming at.
Looks/design are important. It draws people towards a product.
Think Apple Macintosh - if it were not so well designed, would they
be as popular? If that Kodak camera is sitting on a shelf with a
whole lot of other digital cameras, people with no preconceived
idea of what they want will ask to look at it.
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Should read;

If that Kodak camera is sitting on a shelf with a
whole lot of other digital cameras, people with no preconceived
idea of what they want will NOTask to look at it.

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to allow a larger sensor fro better dynamic range and better high ISO performance.

Something the size of the Fuji S7000 say, is about as small as it'll get I reakon.
 
Agreed,

If I judged cameras by how they look, the Panasonics, Fujis, and Samsung (especially the Fujis) all would be out of consideration. And these lok better than those anyway.

The Kodaks have some nice video features (stitching in camera) and look smaller than the huge recent cameras from Panny, Fuji, and Sammy.

But I want specs! Sensor size, ISO, etc. I'm betting the 850 is 1/2.5" since it seems to have the same 12x lens size as many of the recent compact megazooms.
alex66 said:
24mm makes it desirable to me, I just hope its of decent quality,
and im glad to see a proper zoom ring. It does look kind of freeky
ugly though. But Im not going to dismiss it on stooopid looks or
lack of brand cache.
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bdery said:
I was just replying to wazza who said there were many "new"
features on these cameras. Setting the record straight, nothing
there is new, even though many of those things are nice. I'm not
saying the cameras are bad, I'm just saying Kodak didn't bring
anything new in the market.
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It is all innovation for Kodak......

We are also seeing new combination of features as your post of multiple cameras in response showed - innovation.

So, you set nothing straight but just clouded the thread.
 
UNIQUE FEATURE

The ability to generate a smile from anyone you choose to photograph as you reveal your camera.

Just be quick otherwise they will crack up completely! ;-)
eric_j_h said:
I have just re-read the press release and I can't find anything
particularly unique about this camera (apart from its appearance).
Unless it has a bigger sensor with reduced noise at high ISO
(something Kodak haven't been very good at), then it will be now
competition for the current prosumer cameras - e.g Panasonics FZ30,
Fuji's S9000 etc.
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How on earth can you say that with no spec sheet at least??? What if is a piddly sensor????

I am very keen for somethng to hit the spot in this "lite DSLR market and these may be it but really .. we have NFI yet.
 
If Kodak wants to compete with D-SRLs seriously they MUST have offered these prosummers with flip-twist LCD.
One of my main reasons why I stick to my Canon Pro1 is because of it.

BTW. How large is the sensor ??
9mm, 11mm?

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I find it interesting that the sensor size isn't specified in the specs given in Imaging Resource and the real lens focal lengths are not given on the lenses or in those specs.

My guess, and it is a guess, is that the PB850 uses Kodak's newly introduced 5.1MP 1/1.8 CMOS sensor while the PB880 uses a 2/3" sensor with the same 2.7micron pitch.

Any comments?

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Alfisti said:
to allow a larger sensor fro better dynamic range and better high
ISO performance.
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I still think a good compromise to make a big sensor fit in a smaller camera

would be to keep the zoom down (to 3x max) and then be able to keep the aperture up too. You could add a tele or wide adapter to meet those demands, Then as you want a amall camera with longer zoom range, the sensor size would have to drop to preserve aperture, or aperture would have to drop to keep a large sensor and high ISO. That is where dSLR comes in, you can pay for the flexibility to have whatever lens you want. The compromise comes in keeping a zoom P&S small. Sensor size, small camera size, or big lens. Pick which two you want.
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You're right, these are warthogs.

Those folks who think design and aesthetics are shallow concerns would make very poor product marketers. No matter how well these new cameras may perform, the market also has design expectations. Perhaps Kodak's research has identified an underserved niche of folks who have been waiting for a camera that can be used to scare children and pets...if so, these cameras look perfect for the job!

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nah tele and wide angle adapters create extra bulk becausein order to add them on you have to carry them .. very annoying. better off with a slightly larger cam with an in built 30-300 odd mm or thereabouts.
 
Zarathustra said:
If Kodak wants to compete with D-SRLs seriously they MUST have
offered these prosummers with flip-twist LCD.
One of my main reasons why I stick to my Canon Pro1 is because of it.
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I bought a Minolta A-1 because it was the first camera I could find that combined IS and a tilt screen. At this point, I won't consider any camera without both of these features.
 
Thats right, and a little birdie pops out of that window above the lens when you half-press the shutter release!

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A camera is for life, not just for Christmas.
 
Zarathustra said:
If Kodak wants to compete with D-SRLs seriously they MUST have
offered these prosummers with flip-twist LCD.
One of my main reasons why I stick to my Canon Pro1 is because of it.

BTW. How large is the sensor ??
9mm, 11mm?

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The only thing keeping me off DSLR's at the moment is the option of having a flip-twist screen in order not to have to go belly-first into the mud for a pretty flower, bug or fungus!

Just a list:

No flip allows you straightforward shooting, possible sunglare washing out the image. Low high or "round the corner" shooting are impossible, so is candid hipshots.

Flip up and down (Olympus style) allows low shots as well as high, but the range of motions is limited. You cannot put your cam backplate down under a flower and still frame the image, nor can you do candid or self exposures.

Flip-down/twist adresses the candids and around the corner, as well as low and high shots, but the camerabody itself limits the range of motion.

Flip-out/twist allows a full range of motions through 360 degrees in the vertical as well as 270 degrees horizontal allowing the maximum creative control for camera-positioning while still being able to frame the image.

Fuji comes up with a nice one, so does Panasonic, but both of them are flip-down, limited versions of the flip-out on my trusty old G5. Flip-down just does not have the same range of motions as flip-out.

Then both Samsung and now Kodak come without a twip-flist at all, leaving me dissappointed as hell. Samsung has this funny little LCD topside that would allow off the hip shooting, but I don't see myself holding the camera upside down over my head and framing a wrong-way-around image on a tiny LCD!

So, Canon, surprise me! An 8 Mp, image stabilized, flip-out LCD Prosumer with a range from 28-420mm with a built-in espressomaker PLEASE!

I am willing to part with my G5 for no less than that.

Mike

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OMG, this is the freak'n UGLIEST thing with a lens I've seen since the Polaroid days! Should be getting lots of shots of laughing subjects!
 
I was beginning to think it was just me. Of course pleasing to the eye design is important. Thanks for the back-up.
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