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New accessory DK 17-M....super!

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I saw a write up in this forum about the DK17M and a DK-2 rubber eyepiece hood. I ordered mine through Adorama a while ago. After a while, with my D2X, I decided I reallly didn't need the silly things. I even sent eamil to Adorama to cancel the order. It arrived, nevertheless, two days later so I installed the combo. I like it!

The rubber hood folds nicely into the camera body and holds the LCD cover in place. (Actually, the LCD cover holds itself in place, but the pressure of the hood can't hurt. Without the DK17M, the hood doesn't fold but stick out the way it's supposed to. I don't mind that, however, with the DK17M, there's enough protrusion from the camera body that the hood will fold back and retain it's position naturally.

With the hood attached, the very slight protrusion of the eyepiece looks quite natural on the camera.

My main reason for wanting this combo is that I wear eyeglasses and I'm always concerned about the camera edge rubbing into my eyeglasses causing damage to the right-side lens surface. Without the hood, the upper edge of the camera - albeit plastic - still hits the class surface of my eyeglass lens. Plastic on plastic, over time, will cause some damage. Now, with rubber there, it's better protected.

The 1.2 magnification factor of teh DK17M doesn't sound like much, but it makes my view look like an F100 view...that's good enough for me!
 
Is there any way it could be used on a D100?

I'd love to have some magnification, and some more distance from the camera body.

(reason: I wear glasses, and need to be very close to the eyepiece now; it sometimes causes reflections, ...)

Jörg
 
Do you know, what I'm really wondering about?
Why did it take so many years to release such a thing?
There's nothing special about it, just one or two lenses, right?
We could have needed it for the D1 (where it also fits).
People have been complaining about the D1´s "tunnel view" for years.
Why did it take soooo long?
And why the hell is there no such thing from Canon?

We always hear, that we have to live with small viewfinders because of the crop factor. Now this thing prooves the opposite.
Stefan
 
Stefan Klein said:
Do you know, what I'm really wondering about?
Why did it take so many years to release such a thing?
There's nothing special about it, just one or two lenses, right?
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Yep, I agree, 100% !

Strange... that it takes so long...

(And why haven't third party manufacturers picked up on this? The only third party manufacturer that made something was ZigView, and their solution is an LCD)

Here's hoping that something similar will come for the D100...

Jörg
 
On the B&H site they say:

"Availability: New-coming soon"

You can put it on your wish list and submit your email address to be notified when it becomes available.

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Mike Flood
 
If any of you get the Nikon pro magazine theres a small Q&A section about the new accessory in the last issue as well as a small photo of it. The basic information there says its for D2 and D1 series and also fits the F4,F5 and F6 but with limitations and should cost about 35 euros.
 
Stefan Klein said:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1021&message=14455539

Have fun, that thing is WOW!
Stefan
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Hi Stefan,

I have it a few weeks now, a friend brought it from Japan (is hard to find outside Japan) and they had several in stock there. I love it and this is a must have thing, I can't imagine that someone with a D2x wouldn't buy one. There are two rubbercaps that are compatible with it, the DK-2 and I think the DK-19 that is less small.

With very kind regards,

Dirk

'Look and think before opening the shutter. The heart and
mind are the true lens of the camera. '
Yousuf Karsh

http://www.dievee.be
 
These picture are just for illustration :-) where taken with my K750i so bare with me regarding the quality.

shows the D2x with a Dk-19 and the Dk-17m mounted.

(notice that i mounted the Dk19 first and not on the edge of the Dk17-m, i find this setup much better)





Kindest
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Regards
Paul L.

 
Hi Dirk,
if a had a Nikon I'd buy it in a hearbeat. But I have a Canon.
We don't have such a thing unfortunately.

Really wondering why this "musthave" accessory" wasn't released years ago. Just a simple lens that solves the "tunnelview" viewfinder-problem.
Stefan
 
VJ said:
Stefan Klein said:
Do you know, what I'm really wondering about?
Why did it take so many years to release such a thing?
There's nothing special about it, just one or two lenses, right?
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Yep, I agree, 100% !

Strange... that it takes so long...
(And why haven't third party manufacturers picked up on this?
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Leica has been making them for many years. They're threaded for Leica rangefinder cameas.

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Ciao!

Joe

http://www.swissarmyfork.com
 
Stefan Klein said:
Do you know, what I'm really wondering about?
Why did it take so many years to release such a thing?
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Slow market reaserch, or the general slowness of Japanese companies to respond to the voice of the customer.
Stefan Klein said:
There's nothing special about it, just one or two lenses, right?
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Actually, they're a little tricly. Very thin (close spaced) Galilean telescopes. At least two lenses (it can't be done in one).
Stefan Klein said:
We could have needed it for the D1 (where it also fits).
People have been complaining about the D1´s "tunnel view" for years.
Why did it take soooo long?
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Because it brings compromises. It decreases brightness, in direct proportion to how much it increases size. It decreases eyepoint, making the camera harder to use with eyeglasses.
Stefan Klein said:
And why the hell is there no such thing from Canon?
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Because Canon increased the magnification of the camera's viewfinder (20D) instead of using add-ons. Well, you asked.

Actually, Canon makes a reverse Galilean eyepiece for their cameras. It makes the finder smaller (but brighter) and increases the eyepoint so you can have your face farther from the camera.
Stefan Klein said:
We always hear, that we have to live with small viewfinders because
of the crop factor. Now this thing prooves the opposite.
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Nope. It just proves it's possible to choose different compromises.

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Salvage troll posts! When you see a thread started by a troll, post something useful to it. It will drive the trolls up the wall. ;)

Ciao!

Joe

http://www.swissarmyfork.com
 
VJ said:
Is there any way it could be used on a D100?
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Yes, but the cost to tool an adapter would be so high that you might as well just tool an entire eyepiece just for D100 and D70. Like these, that I designed last year...

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1021&message=8532960
VJ said:
I'd love to have some magnification, and some more distance from
the camera body.
(reason: I wear glasses, and need to be very close to the eyepiece
now; it sometimes causes reflections, ...)
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Unfortunatly, you can't have it both ways. Galilean telescopes, like my design, enlarge the image, but decrease the eyepoint (distance from your eye to the viewfinder) so they'd make it harder to get close enough with your glasses.

Reverse Galilean telescopes, like the Canon eyepoint extender (or whatever they call that silly thing) give you a better eyepoint for eyeglasses, but also make the viewfinder image even smaller.

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Salvage troll posts! When you see a thread started by a troll, post something useful to it. It will drive the trolls up the wall. ;)

Ciao!

Joe

http://www.swissarmyfork.com
 
Thanks for you explanations, Joseph.
2 thoughts:
Brightness is still very good with this eyepiece!

You said, Canon went another way and increased the magnification factor in the 20D. That may be right, but the viewfinder is still smaller than the D2x's ( as much as I would expect due to the fact that the Nikon has a 1,5x crop and the Canon 1,6x).

The D2x with the new eyepiece really impressed me and the whole viewfinder was night and day in comparison to the 20D. I didn't even like the viewfinder size of my 1dMK2 anymore. I would really like such a thing for my Canons.

Stefan
 
Can I have B&H's offical/complete website? Am interested in getting
this DK17-M. Thanks.

Mike M Wong, Maryland.
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