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This is my second post...would appreciate any input. Cat was hiding in the shadows.



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Mac
 
ridicilous picture. why did you post it ? what intrests you about the picture ?

in my opinion it has no qualities at all.
 
Rob,

I may agree with you, however, I do believe that you should have written it differently. You could have made your point in a positive way. Or, it would be better if you could make input as to how that shot should have been taken. :-)
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My point is only to question the reason, - what intent, the photographer has with sharing this picture.
  • it's a common cat
  • it's not very well photographed
  • it does not display technical excellence
All I'm saying is that the photographer should ask himself or herself why he or she wanted to share, -that's all. A question far to few of us ask ourselves.

Now to make an example, a picture from me, whith my intent given. Bashing welcome.



A brand new building made from dark brick. The entire building is clad in this material, there is even a window that is behind a partal wall where every second brick is removed. The thought of the building is that this brick is the skin of the building, and that it should cover most of it. To underline this I've photographed the building without including the ground, so that focus is kept on the skin of the building. I've also tried to create some depth and complexity on the space within the frame, - to state that there is somthing beyond the frame of the picture.

Technically; shot in raw. As the Olympus E-1 doesn't have that mutch resolution I've applied smart sharpening only to the closest brick wall. This enhances depth perception in the picture, although I think the farmost brick wall still isn't rendered good enough. I think it would have been better on film, so I'll try that in a while.

Comments welcome, especially critisizm.

rob
 
and give no reason why.

I won't do it because there is less point as acting like you did....
I don't think bashing is welcom in this forum...

I like my work to be criticized, but simply saying that a picture is ridiculous won't help the photographer to improve himself.

Some people here are professional photographers, others are amateurs, some are just beginners, I'm not better than others and i don't think than being a Pro or even a good photographer give the right to tell someone his/her work is ridiculous, just like that.

I think that to be helpfull and to be usefull you have too explain Why you find it ridiculous...

The cat is not special, maybe, it's his cat, so in his eyes he may be the most wonderfull cat in the world.

The photo was bad taken, maybe, but say why, explain to him his mistakes, so he could try again, but improving himself, that's the purpose of a forum, to help the others improve themselves, to improve ourself also.

The third point, is not relevant to my opinion : does EVERY photo must reflect excellence ??? I don't think so... a photograph is a testimony of a moment, you seem to be more on the abstract side, well it's your way of practice photography.

I would say to McKay at first that he says that tha cat was hiding, but we don't see that, so he has to take his photo actually showing that, he shouldn't have to say it, I would have taken a wider image to show the situation, show that the cat is actually hiding....

Finally, I'd say to you that I like the lines you used in you picture, but I think you could try it again with a less detailled sky to add contrast with the highly detailed walls. Maybe a blue cloudless sky would be better, or at least a white monochrome sky.

I would prefer a blue sky with a hard sunlight, you could maybe add some shadows to play with teh lines of the building,
Maybe a B&W interpretation would be interesting also....
That's only my opinion, you do what you want of it...

Regards,
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...answer Johns question.

Are you claiming the right to be accredited as the photographer who took the image that you have posted?

To claim someone elses work as your own is pretty low (espeically when you use it to justify the need for some sort of Freudian reason for taking a particular image) so think carefully before you answer.

As it stands I think Macs image has far more validity than "yours". He was trying to learn. What were you trying to do?

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Nick

Never argue with an idiot...they'll drag you down to their level and beat you on experience!!!

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What I first and foremost ask of people is to, before they post a picture to others than themselves, ask what intrest it might have to others.

Digital workflow has enabled users like Bob and Rob to take pictures of superb quality and enjoy it for that reason and give a s*it about what the picture portrays. Pictures of cats and birds are rising in numbers for this very reason, -pressing the shutter no longer has a cost. People are less critical about what they are doing, and that was my intent with the ridicilous post. Just like the picture of the normal cat was open to interpretation, a post stating it was ridicilous is exactly the same. Pherhaps it started some thoughts in the head of the poster. I do think so, -beacuse that's the kind of posts to my own pictures I've learned the most from. Thus i disagree when you state that bashing rarley has any affect, -I belive it does. Bashing is an opinion as any other, just like cheering in this forum is for all other pictures ("very nice colours", "i really like the second shot" "just beautiful"). If you are so aware of me bashing a picture, and asking my explanation for it, why is it not so when a picture recives a pat on the back ?

You said;

"The cat is not special, maybe, it's his cat, so in his eyes he may be the most wonderfull cat in the world."

Here is the essence; the photographer has to ask himself weather this cat which HE finds so intresting is of any intrest to others.

I did by the way not state that a photograph had to reflect excellence, the list i compiled only tried to ask for some sort of motive for posting the picture, -one which could for example reflect technical excellence.

I agree with the sky in my picture. It does work when it is brighter and less detailed. I'll also give B/W a try on this series, or even duotone.

Regards

Hikupap.
 
Great job John!!!

Rob that was truely pathectic, Why would you do that?
John Moerch said:
I'm confused.

Is your name Rob? Or Johan Gustavsen? Are you from the United
States like it says in your profile? Or Noway, like Johan is?

http://www.foto.no/cgi-bin/bilder/vis_fotograf.cgi?brukerid=2265&nomenus=

Because that's Johan's photo you posted.

Fraud?

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chris
 
I have to ask further. Why did you use flash when you were photographing shadows ?
 
Summary of this thread.
  • Pherhaps you should try to find a better way to tell the story of the cat that tries to hide.
Hikupap.

A story for all Olyforum picture helpers;

Pekker was suffering from severe chest-pains. Meanwhile in another part of the park, a small dog was barking hysterically. Time to call the cops? Hardly! You see, Pekker was having a heart-attack, and the dog was chasing a couple of geese in an attempt to mate with one of them (the female one, naturally). The dog, Inkompotamp, was getting older, and had found himself longing for a child. Not an ordinary dog-child. Oh no. Inkompotamp wanted… A GOOSE-PUPPY! Now, the male goose was running for his life, but the female one was simply playing hard to get. She had a bit of a crush on Inkompotamp (he had been chasing her for quite some time), and was considering giving herself to him. She pretended to fall, and the dog was on her in an instant. Inkompotamp (always the gentleman) immediately bought her a drink (bourbon, straight up), and started chatting with her. The conversation went a little something like this:

Inkompotamp: WOOF WOOF HOOOOOOOOO! Woohff….

Goose#2: Cræææ…zæææ… GRÆÆÆÆ… creee….

Inkompotamp: Wooooooooo… OOOOOOOOOOOO!

Goose#2: Quræææ..krææææj… griijijiiii….

They soon realized that they had nothing in common, and the only way to avoid more awkwardness was to engage in a bout of intercourse. The male goose watched the proceedings from a distance (it wasn’t a pretty sight), and he got extremely jealous. You see, all this time the male goose had the hots for Inkompotamp, and it was killing him to see him with another goose. Inkompotamp was unhappy too. He loved the male goose, but knew they’d never have a goose-puppy together. The female goose, on the other hand, was having a blast. She was getting laid, and Inkompotamp was a sensitive lover. Two minutes later, Pekker was dead from his heart-attack. He would have loved to see the goose-puppy…
 
Robh3 said:
What I first and foremost ask of people is to, before they post a
picture to others than themselves, ask what intrest it might have
to others.

Digital workflow has enabled users like Bob and Rob to take
pictures of superb quality and enjoy it for that reason and give a
s*it about what the picture portrays. Pictures of cats and birds
are rising in numbers for this very reason, -pressing the shutter
no longer has a cost. People are less critical about what they are
doing, and that was my intent with the ridicilous post. Just like
the picture of the normal cat was open to interpretation, a post
stating it was ridicilous is exactly the same. Pherhaps it started
some thoughts in the head of the poster. I do think so, -beacuse
that's the kind of posts to my own pictures I've learned the most
from. Thus i disagree when you state that bashing rarley has any
affect, -I belive it does. Bashing is an opinion as any other, just
like cheering in this forum is for all other pictures ("very nice
colours", "i really like the second shot" "just beautiful"). If you
are so aware of me bashing a picture, and asking my explanation for
it, why is it not so when a picture recives a pat on the back ?
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About Bashing, I just think there are ways of doing that, and the written way is not the best, because it is subject to a lot of interpretations and misunderstanding, I don't say that it has rarely any effect, on the contrary, it may have an effect more devastating than the effect intended, as you can see the reactions in this very post and the other one about the doors...

I had some good marks at school and some bad marks too, but when having bad marks I always had an explanation of why I had it...

That is what I would like to see here, no bashing like for free, it's too easy as well as when someone like someone's else photos, it would be good that they say what do they like, not only that they like it...
Robh3 said:
You said;
"The cat is not special, maybe, it's his cat, so in his eyes he may
be the most wonderfull cat in the world."

Here is the essence; the photographer has to ask himself weather
this cat which HE finds so intresting is of any intrest to others.
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Maybe because some people are generous by nature and want to share their moments in life with others...

I am very curious by nature and I like to listen a lot of different musics, see a lot of images, of any kind, it's the essence of giving and receiving.

I agree with you that with digital photography some people may not be as involved at taking the picture than it was on the film era...

I may add that I use it on the other way, I sometimes try a lot of different ways to get the picture that I want, and it made me learn a lot more quickly from the mistakes I made with film, just because of the fact that you can see the result instantaneously.
Robh3 said:
I did by the way not state that a photograph had to reflect
excellence, the list i compiled only tried to ask for some sort of
motive for posting the picture, -one which could for example
reflect technical excellence.
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As I said the written way is the poorest, so I had a bad understanding of what you wanted to say...
Robh3 said:
I agree with the sky in my picture. It does work when it is
brighter and less detailed. I'll also give B/W a try on this
series, or even duotone.
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Maybe at some time of the day with bright daylight there are also some shadows which you can play with.
if it is not too far from where you are, you could try it...
Robh3 said:
Regards

Hikupap.
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regards

Richard
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