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FZ30 "real" TIFF pics from Japan here !!!
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Gary R.
Senior Member
Hmmm, I looked at them in PS and thought they looked fine. I don't see how focus can be 'off' in the second one, it goes from about 5 feet to infnity. Though it's at f/11, it's also at 1/20 second, but there doesn't appear to be motion blur.
I have no way of telling whether they used in-camera sharpening, or to what extent, but the don't look soft to me.
The flower is in focus, the background is not...are we looking at the same photos?
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From the EXIF, it seems the pictures were processed by PS
fz30_rei_02.tif
Device maker: Panasonic
Device model: DMC-FZ30
Software: Adobe Photoshop CS Macintosh
ISO level: 80
Compression: Uncompressed
Sharpness: Hard
Exposure time: 1/20 sec
White balance: code(9)
fz30_rei_01.tif
Device maker: Panasonic
Device model: DMC-FZ30
Software: Adobe Photoshop CS Macintosh
ISO level: 80
Compression: Uncompressed
Sharpness: Hard
Exposure time: 1/40 sec
White balance: code(9)
fz30_rei_02.tif
Device maker: Panasonic
Device model: DMC-FZ30
Software: Adobe Photoshop CS Macintosh
ISO level: 80
Compression: Uncompressed
Sharpness: Hard
Exposure time: 1/20 sec
White balance: code(9)
fz30_rei_01.tif
Device maker: Panasonic
Device model: DMC-FZ30
Software: Adobe Photoshop CS Macintosh
ISO level: 80
Compression: Uncompressed
Sharpness: Hard
Exposure time: 1/40 sec
White balance: code(9)
Alvaro Cavalli Gastal
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I'm disapointed...
In the flower picture, the noise is higher than i expect in ISO 80 and i can see a halo in borders of flower with background (why may cause it ?)
In the picture of field, seems like a small picture wich be interpolated, a lot of pixels but few detail.
Are you believe the FZ-30 have the same photo-quality of the other FZs (20, 15, 5...) ? I'm started being in doubt...
(excuse my english)
In the flower picture, the noise is higher than i expect in ISO 80 and i can see a halo in borders of flower with background (why may cause it ?)
In the picture of field, seems like a small picture wich be interpolated, a lot of pixels but few detail.
Are you believe the FZ-30 have the same photo-quality of the other FZs (20, 15, 5...) ? I'm started being in doubt...
(excuse my english)
Ulli Pietsch
Forum Enthusiast
I think the problem that is now common to all examination of high-res digital camera output is that we tend to view the output at 100%. At this size all optical problems will be clearly visible. The FZ30 output viewed at 100% on a 72 dpi screen will be the equivalent of a 45 1/3" x 34" print.
If you see this articel on diffraction :
http://www.bobatkins.com/photography/technical/diffraction.html
it suggests that for a 8"x10" print you shouldn't stop down past f5. For 100% viewing you'd need a lens that was sharp at something f0 (which just doesn't exist).
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Ulli Pietsch
If you see this articel on diffraction :
http://www.bobatkins.com/photography/technical/diffraction.html
it suggests that for a 8"x10" print you shouldn't stop down past f5. For 100% viewing you'd need a lens that was sharp at something f0 (which just doesn't exist).
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Ulli Pietsch
Gary R.
Senior Member
I was about to reply with what Ulli just typed...about the 100% view being a 33x45 print equivalent, and also that f/11 is not an ideal aperture...I assume they used it to get maximum depth of field, but it's such a tiny aperture that you wouldn't want to use it for highest quality (that's why it's not included on most small-ccd cams). They have to have a lot of faith in that lens to give us an f/11.
Both are at hard sharpness, as wonderwhy noticed, and I don't know the reason they used it, but I'd never use hard sharpness in a camera, I always go for soft, and sharpen later if needed. This could easily explain the somewhat grainy effect in the flower pic, and if you look at the individual color channels, it doesn't look like any noise that I've seen, they're pretty smooth. I seldom like in-camera hard sharpness photos from any digital.
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Gary
Photo albums: http://www.pbase.com/roberthouse
Both are at hard sharpness, as wonderwhy noticed, and I don't know the reason they used it, but I'd never use hard sharpness in a camera, I always go for soft, and sharpen later if needed. This could easily explain the somewhat grainy effect in the flower pic, and if you look at the individual color channels, it doesn't look like any noise that I've seen, they're pretty smooth. I seldom like in-camera hard sharpness photos from any digital.
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Gary
Photo albums: http://www.pbase.com/roberthouse
Alvaro Cavalli Gastal
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Thanks Gary,
I hope you are right...
Maybe the better thing to do is use in 5mp: noise decrease a litle, more sharp, save memory. But raw mode only available in 8mp full res...
And settings (sharp, nr and contrast) allways in "0".
I hope you are right...
Maybe the better thing to do is use in 5mp: noise decrease a litle, more sharp, save memory. But raw mode only available in 8mp full res...
And settings (sharp, nr and contrast) allways in "0".
Gary R.
Senior Member
I know, Photoshop doesn't give all the info...I used ThumbsPlus to see it, though I imagine Exifer (free) would get it all. Here's the EXIF from the flower photo:
Original date/time: 2005:07:12 10:41:32
Exposure time: 1/40
F-stop: 3.7
ISO speed: 80
Focal length: 88.8000
Focal length (35mm): 420
Flash: Not fired
Exposure mode: Manual
Image width: 3264
White balance: Manual
Image height: 2448
Light source: Fine weather
Exposure bias: 0.0000
Metering mode: Pattern
Exposure program: Manual
Digitized date/time: 2005:07:12 10:41:32
Modified date/time: 2005:07:12 19:02:40
Scene type: Photograph
Custom rendered: Normal
Scene capture type: Standard
Gain control: None
Digital zoom ratio: 0.0000
Contrast: Normal
Saturation: Normal
Sharpness: Hard
Camera make: Panasonic
Camera model: DMC-FZ30
X resolution: 72.0000
Y resolution: 72.0000
Resolution unit: Inches
Camera version: Adobe Photoshop CS Macintosh
Colorspace: sRGB
File source: DSC
Here's the info from the tractor in field one:
Original date/time: 2005:07:12 11:02:21
Exposure time: 1/20
F-stop: 11.0
ISO speed: 80
Focal length: 46.5000
Focal length (35mm): 220
Flash: Not fired
Exposure mode: Manual
Image width: 3264
White balance: Manual
Image height: 2448
Light source: Fine weather
Exposure bias: 0.0000
Metering mode: Pattern
Exposure program: Manual
Digitized date/time: 2005:07:12 11:02:21
Modified date/time: 2005:07:12 19:03:49
Scene type: Photograph
Custom rendered: Normal
Scene capture type: Standard
Gain control: None
Digital zoom ratio: 0.0000
Contrast: Normal
Saturation: Normal
Sharpness: Hard
Camera make: Panasonic
Camera model: DMC-FZ30
X resolution: 72.0000
Y resolution: 72.0000
Resolution unit: Inches
Camera version: Adobe Photoshop CS Macintosh
Colorspace: sRGB
File source: DSC
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Gary
Photo albums: http://www.pbase.com/roberthouse
Original date/time: 2005:07:12 10:41:32
Exposure time: 1/40
F-stop: 3.7
ISO speed: 80
Focal length: 88.8000
Focal length (35mm): 420
Flash: Not fired
Exposure mode: Manual
Image width: 3264
White balance: Manual
Image height: 2448
Light source: Fine weather
Exposure bias: 0.0000
Metering mode: Pattern
Exposure program: Manual
Digitized date/time: 2005:07:12 10:41:32
Modified date/time: 2005:07:12 19:02:40
Scene type: Photograph
Custom rendered: Normal
Scene capture type: Standard
Gain control: None
Digital zoom ratio: 0.0000
Contrast: Normal
Saturation: Normal
Sharpness: Hard
Camera make: Panasonic
Camera model: DMC-FZ30
X resolution: 72.0000
Y resolution: 72.0000
Resolution unit: Inches
Camera version: Adobe Photoshop CS Macintosh
Colorspace: sRGB
File source: DSC
Here's the info from the tractor in field one:
Original date/time: 2005:07:12 11:02:21
Exposure time: 1/20
F-stop: 11.0
ISO speed: 80
Focal length: 46.5000
Focal length (35mm): 220
Flash: Not fired
Exposure mode: Manual
Image width: 3264
White balance: Manual
Image height: 2448
Light source: Fine weather
Exposure bias: 0.0000
Metering mode: Pattern
Exposure program: Manual
Digitized date/time: 2005:07:12 11:02:21
Modified date/time: 2005:07:12 19:03:49
Scene type: Photograph
Custom rendered: Normal
Scene capture type: Standard
Gain control: None
Digital zoom ratio: 0.0000
Contrast: Normal
Saturation: Normal
Sharpness: Hard
Camera make: Panasonic
Camera model: DMC-FZ30
X resolution: 72.0000
Y resolution: 72.0000
Resolution unit: Inches
Camera version: Adobe Photoshop CS Macintosh
Colorspace: sRGB
File source: DSC
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Gary
Photo albums: http://www.pbase.com/roberthouse
GagBagger
Senior Member
I guess we have to continue living with the trade-offs, for now -- great images, but at the cost of multiple big, expensive lenses or convenience but cr@ppy image and ISO performance.
For the moment, I'll take the former.
Brendan
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For the moment, I'll take the former.
Brendan
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Going with the 8x10 view camera, are you?
Delphidb96
Leading Member
But of course! And the best one on the market, assuming one can handle a few tools, is the Bender Photographics 8x10! ;-) (I built the 4x5 and I'm quite happy with it!)
Derek
Derek
adegroot
Senior Member
I downl;aoded them, and all i can say:
pretty bad:
lots of noise
not sharp
too light
they looked like rehashed jpeg files; at 200% the images fal lapart totally and show these funny jpeg blocks; either the camera is very bad (hard to believe), or some guy at panasonic doesn't know what he is doing; let's hope it's the latter. The LX1 tiffs are just as bad as these: they looked like 5-level jpegs saved as tiffs You just CAN"T do that!
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pretty bad:
lots of noise
not sharp
too light
they looked like rehashed jpeg files; at 200% the images fal lapart totally and show these funny jpeg blocks; either the camera is very bad (hard to believe), or some guy at panasonic doesn't know what he is doing; let's hope it's the latter. The LX1 tiffs are just as bad as these: they looked like 5-level jpegs saved as tiffs You just CAN"T do that!
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demarren123456
Senior Member
yep agree wat you say.
I looked in adobe an other programs the look fine to 50%
at 100% the look grainy
defently there is somtinge whrong with the pictures.
on my sonny lcd the look verry sharp to me.
a bit to sharp I think,
the overkill the images.
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Demarren
FZ5 User
I looked in adobe an other programs the look fine to 50%
at 100% the look grainy
defently there is somtinge whrong with the pictures.
on my sonny lcd the look verry sharp to me.
a bit to sharp I think,
the overkill the images.
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Demarren
FZ5 User
GagBagger
Senior Member
I've been hankerin' to try a view camera, but I'd reallly want to get some skills before tackling one of those bad boys.
Brendan
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Things that make you go, hmmmm...
Brendan
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Things that make you go, hmmmm...
Delphidb96
Leading Member
They're not all that hard to learn. The biggest problem I had was remembering to flip the dark slide over (one side of the handle is white and the other black which means you can tell which piece of film has been exposed.) and to both take the dark slide OUT before releasing the shutter and putting it back IN before flipping the film holder to the other piece of film.
All this is true if you're just using the view camera as a large format 'point-and-shoot'. Once you've mastered the basic techniques of simple focusing and exposing the film, you can move onto learning how to use the swing/tilt/shift movements to compose difficult shots. But in scenic photography, you might take a dozen basic shots for every complex swing-shift-tilt shot.
Derek
All this is true if you're just using the view camera as a large format 'point-and-shoot'. Once you've mastered the basic techniques of simple focusing and exposing the film, you can move onto learning how to use the swing/tilt/shift movements to compose difficult shots. But in scenic photography, you might take a dozen basic shots for every complex swing-shift-tilt shot.
Derek
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