Cubfan
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'Above Average'? Phil didn't seem too impressed. I had high hopes too as I really liked the looks of the little guy.
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Did anyone see the P5 review?
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It seems Sony wanted to change the target group and made it cheaper with less features (no portrait/backlit scenes etc.).
Certainly disappointing. I hope they start to listen more and add more features like spot focus, longer exposure etc. (they are not that expensive to add).
The only 'new' features are 2 burst mode and some limited manual focus (with big distance gaps).
Certainly disappointing. I hope they start to listen more and add more features like spot focus, longer exposure etc. (they are not that expensive to add).
The only 'new' features are 2 burst mode and some limited manual focus (with big distance gaps).
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Zubair Anwar
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The auto-focus illuminator and the more powerful flash are the big new features I think.
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harry
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The digital camera market has become more Balkanized. A consumer has to really choose if a digicam is for point and shoot purposes or more serious manuveurs. Most of the buyers are NOT tech/photo enthuists and a P5 is probably all they want with a nice 3 mp/3x optical zoom, and they will most likely print out just 4x6 for family and friends.
For people really interested in manual "domination", there are increasing selections of models to satisfy most people's needs. The "ideal" prosumer grade digitcam? - a zoom range like D7, a IS like Canon, a lense like Sony's, the best internal processing algorithm out there now, SLR feeling like E-10 and a 6 mp (yes, not 5, but 6). Through healthy competion, we should expect this to come to reality within a year.
Harry
For people really interested in manual "domination", there are increasing selections of models to satisfy most people's needs. The "ideal" prosumer grade digitcam? - a zoom range like D7, a IS like Canon, a lense like Sony's, the best internal processing algorithm out there now, SLR feeling like E-10 and a 6 mp (yes, not 5, but 6). Through healthy competion, we should expect this to come to reality within a year.
Harry
Michael Tjong
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One big think that really bother is its lens which seems can't deliver sharp images (quite softness in some areas)
Yah, no lookee too good! Big disappointment. Worst missing feature I think would be the one button manual WB set. Too bad, Sony needs to wake up some more here. CA too much for my liking, lens sharpness not the best.
Willyee.
Willyee.
Was hoping that this might be the nice little portable camera for my wife and kids to use on their own... but I don't think so anymore.
Willyee.
Willyee.
Maria [SE]
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I had almost put in an order for a P5 (waiting list) until I saw the review, the specifications looked just great. However, the soft pictures using tele disappointed me a lot. The easy-to-carry-around format, 3x zoom and (almost) endless movie-mode really appealed to me, but since dogs at dogs shows are my number one photo objects, I don't dare to go for this camera: Would hate to get just some blurry black spots where it should have been dogs...One big think that really bother is its lens which seems can't
deliver sharp images (quite softness in some areas)
Does anyone have any personal experience and know if hte P1 has the same problem? Can't find any references about this in any of the reviews. I'm acutally considering buying the "old" P1 instead.
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Zubair Anwar
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My P1 has some softness near the edge of the frame at both telephoto and wideangle. A zoom lens that size will never be perfect. I've found that the real limiting factor is the amount of light available. On a bright day the quality of the pics is outstanding. Flash photos up to about six feet are also of high quality.
Based on the features and the price, the P5 looks like a good deal to me.
Based on the features and the price, the P5 looks like a good deal to me.
I had almost put in an order for a P5 (waiting list) until I sawOne big think that really bother is its lens which seems can't
deliver sharp images (quite softness in some areas)
the review, the specifications looked just great. However, the soft
pictures using tele disappointed me a lot. The easy-to-carry-around
format, 3x zoom and (almost) endless movie-mode really appealed to
me, but since dogs at dogs shows are my number one photo objects, I
don't dare to go for this camera: Would hate to get just some
blurry black spots where it should have been dogs...
Does anyone have any personal experience and know if hte P1 has the
same problem? Can't find any references about this in any of the
reviews. I'm acutally considering buying the "old" P1 instead.
--M
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Stevewb
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I thought the main weakness of the p1 was what everyone claimed to be poor flash and dim lighting problems....aren't these addressed with the variable ISO settings now on up to 400, instead of the old 100 ISO only on the p1? and the laser focus assist with dim lighting, won't this be an asset...I am certainly interested in either the new p5, or will look for a p1 if the new one isn't that good...as some are saying...but let's give the camera a chance to prove itself...aren't these first tests a bit premature, and possibly somewhat flawed using pre-production equiptment...?
Zubair. I almost bought the P1. However, for the short time I used it, the long shutter lag displeased me. Unless the object was perfectly still and unless I was able to steady the camera for a relatively long period of time, the pic was blurred. What is your experience? Phil's review gives the P5 excellent marks for how fast it is. He compares it to the S85! Can you live without the white balance?
shwen41638
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Hey Stevewb...I completely agree with your points. I think that people reading the reviews fail to consider the target market for the P5 - the point & shooters. And how many of these P&S people are actually going to take the time to change the white balance, metering, etc, never mind actually figure out how to use them. If you want all those functions and flexibility, go with the S75/85.
I believe that the most important thing is to THINK about WHATand HOW you're going to use the digicam before making a critical judgement of features/functions that you will probably seldom or never end up using. Just as with 35mm P&S cameras, the most important thing for the P&S'ers is that the camera be capable of taking clear, well metered, shots quickly in full auto mode.
I've personally owned a P1 for the last 2 weeks and I'm absolutely thrilled with it. Mainly because I know it's purely my P&S camera (for everything else, there's my F100). Most of the time it is strictly quick, auto, candid shots. However, I do admit that the added functions on the P1 are a bonus when I actually have time to compose my picture.
As Stevewb said: but let's give the camera a chance to prove itself...
My $0.02...
shwen
It isn't just the digital camera market, but the whole photography industry. You don't buy a 35mm P&S camera if you want to go out and shoot artistic nature shots, nor do you bring your Nikon F5 with a 500/f4 when you go for a beach party (well, most people don't at least). You can't have everything in one package and still get it at a reasonable price! It's called "market segementation". There are always trade offs for functions vs features.
I believe that the most important thing is to THINK about WHATand HOW you're going to use the digicam before making a critical judgement of features/functions that you will probably seldom or never end up using. Just as with 35mm P&S cameras, the most important thing for the P&S'ers is that the camera be capable of taking clear, well metered, shots quickly in full auto mode.
I've personally owned a P1 for the last 2 weeks and I'm absolutely thrilled with it. Mainly because I know it's purely my P&S camera (for everything else, there's my F100). Most of the time it is strictly quick, auto, candid shots. However, I do admit that the added functions on the P1 are a bonus when I actually have time to compose my picture.
As Stevewb said: but let's give the camera a chance to prove itself...
My $0.02...
shwen
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Zubair Anwar
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Once I learnt how to hold the P1 steadily and really understood it's focussing system, my pics suddenly became a lot better. I didn't notice the camera being any slower than any other digi cam I've used, other than when using the playback mode / last shot review, which really is too slow.
The white balance indoors is often incorrect, just like every other Sony digi cam I've owned. I just take the time to correct it in Photoshop.
Overall the P1 is a great camera. From what I can tell, the P5 looks comparable, plus it's smaller and cheaper. Don't forget that it has a more powerful flash and an auto-focus illuminator. I'd say those are winning features.
The white balance indoors is often incorrect, just like every other Sony digi cam I've owned. I just take the time to correct it in Photoshop.
Overall the P1 is a great camera. From what I can tell, the P5 looks comparable, plus it's smaller and cheaper. Don't forget that it has a more powerful flash and an auto-focus illuminator. I'd say those are winning features.
God that sounds awesome. This is why I'm gonna enjoy my S75 as long as I possibly can before ponying up for the next best thing. Even then, it'll still take awesome pictures, regardless of whether better cameras come on the market.
Maybe my wife will want the S75 by then.
Great idea for a new camera, and wonderfully terse, on-point analysis of the current situation.
Kind regards.
Mike M
Maybe my wife will want the S75 by then.
Great idea for a new camera, and wonderfully terse, on-point analysis of the current situation.
Kind regards.
Mike M
Maria [SE]
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Does somebody have an idea about how the P1/P5 compares to the Canon Digital IXUS? Thanks for your comments!
Well As I got both I can tell you...
New IXUS S110/S300 are very small string and nice product but...Picture quality of P1 is better to me and IXUS has brushed effect problems on pictures (see http://194.6.133.21/canon ) that's why I returned the IXUS and get a P1 instead as "near-pocketable size" is very imprtant to me.
But P1 has also bas sides that seems to be adressed with P5
like better flash, fixed ISO, Light Assist for low light...and even smaller (
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Focusing was my biggest problem because with my "old" Canon S10 and the new IXUS I never missed a focus whenever god or bad light condition...hope P5 will have better focusing system.
Color of P1 are better balanced for my opinion and the softness on edges are also present on IXUS (its normal because of too much small size of optics).
New IXUS S110/S300 are very small string and nice product but...Picture quality of P1 is better to me and IXUS has brushed effect problems on pictures (see http://194.6.133.21/canon ) that's why I returned the IXUS and get a P1 instead as "near-pocketable size" is very imprtant to me.
But P1 has also bas sides that seems to be adressed with P5
like better flash, fixed ISO, Light Assist for low light...and even smaller (
)
Focusing was my biggest problem because with my "old" Canon S10 and the new IXUS I never missed a focus whenever god or bad light condition...hope P5 will have better focusing system.
Color of P1 are better balanced for my opinion and the softness on edges are also present on IXUS (its normal because of too much small size of optics).
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I agree.
In this class (light, subcompact with 3x zoom), the camera is not competing with its larger, heavier cousin, the S75, which would be expected to have sharper images.
The P5 is competing with the:
Nikon 775 (only 2 megapixel, with soft images everywhere, not just at edges)
Canon S300 (only 2 megapixel, with undersaturated images)
Kyocera Finecam S3 (3-megapixel, with soft images everywhere, and worse at edges)
As near as I can tell from the reviews and posted images, the P5 might well be the best of the bunch for people who want "pocketable" 3x zoom cameras.
Though no reviews are out yet, the Nikon 885 might be the next step up in resolution while trying to keep the size and weight down (by its specs, it is smaller than the Sony S75) , but you'd still be looking at a larger, heavier camera (with more manual options, but probably silent movies).
In this class (light, subcompact with 3x zoom), the camera is not competing with its larger, heavier cousin, the S75, which would be expected to have sharper images.
The P5 is competing with the:
Nikon 775 (only 2 megapixel, with soft images everywhere, not just at edges)
Canon S300 (only 2 megapixel, with undersaturated images)
Kyocera Finecam S3 (3-megapixel, with soft images everywhere, and worse at edges)
As near as I can tell from the reviews and posted images, the P5 might well be the best of the bunch for people who want "pocketable" 3x zoom cameras.
Though no reviews are out yet, the Nikon 885 might be the next step up in resolution while trying to keep the size and weight down (by its specs, it is smaller than the Sony S75) , but you'd still be looking at a larger, heavier camera (with more manual options, but probably silent movies).
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