New canon SLR

stan_g · Aug 16, 2001

can't you tell us?
Also, thanks much for your input along the way to someday

Kai Pin said:
The sales reps were told of the specs concerning the upcoming pro
digital EOS ...
Kai Pin

Stew44949 · Aug 16, 2001

Okay 4mp. I can live with that. The Olympus E-10 has been shooting with a 4mp CCD since November of last year and it shoots beautiful pictures. 5mp would be gravy.

9fps. Is very attractive and is better than my existing Canon (film) but faster than I really need (I don't shoot a lot of fast action shots/sports, etc) Of course this is a personal thing.

Still...$5,000 for just a body with a 4 mp ccd? I don't care how many buttons you put on it, $5,000 is too much for the next step from the D-30. On that note, $3,000 for the D-30 is too much. Boy these folks in Japan know how to sucker us!

Stew

Stan Disbrow · Aug 16, 2001

Hi,

Well, it would make a good place to hang one of those Kodak 16mp digtal backs onto.....

Stan

peripheralfocus said:
An interesting sidelight to all this, in my view, is that Kodak and
Nikon (and, obviously, Canon will replace Kodak in this equation
pretty soon) are, with their 6mp+ cameras, edging into the
territory ruled by Hasselblad and Mamiya lo' these past thirty
years. I think the medium format brands have much to fear from 6-8
megapixel portable "35mm-like" digital cameras. If the resolution
on these cameras is good enough -- and it looks like it will be --
there's no reason to keep your Hasselblad system (for what?
interchangeable film backs? Polaroid proofing?)

peripheralfocus · Aug 16, 2001

Yes, your point is well-taken. And, of course, nearly all the other studio-friendly digital cameras currently available are made to fit on modular medium-format systems like Hasselblad and Mamiya. That's necessary if you want to makes sales now -- because the studios are full of Hasselblads and Mamiyas.

I was doing a little loose prognosticating about the future. Over the longer haul I'm a smidgen dubious about "digital backs" that simply replace film backs on a Hasselblad or Mamiya. Interchangeable backs make sense in a film world, but in digital ... ?? Then there's the whole geometry of, say, a Mamiya RB67, designed around a 6cm x 7cm detector size and an SLR viewing system, neither of which are necessary for a digital studio camera ...

I'm also a smidgen dubious about 16-megapixels. At some point -- and that point varies with the application, of course -- higher resolutions just clog up your workflow without providing any practical benefit to the printed image. I think 16mp is fairly far over on the "clog up your workflow" side of the scale, but maybe that's just me ...

Just my idle, work-avoiding speculations.

Stan Disbrow said:
Well, it would make a good place to hang one of those Kodak 16mp
digtal backs onto.....

Stan

Stan Disbrow said:

An interesting sidelight to all this, in my view, is that Kodak and
Nikon (and, obviously, Canon will replace Kodak in this equation
pretty soon) are, with their 6mp+ cameras, edging into the
territory ruled by Hasselblad and Mamiya lo' these past thirty
years. I think the medium format brands have much to fear from 6-8
megapixel portable "35mm-like" digital cameras. If the resolution
on these cameras is good enough -- and it looks like it will be --
there's no reason to keep your Hasselblad system (for what?
interchangeable film backs? Polaroid proofing?)

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Charles Chien · Aug 16, 2001

Stew said:
Okay 4mp. I can live with that. The Olympus E-10 has been shooting
with a 4mp CCD since November of last year and it shoots beautiful
pictures. 5mp would be gravy.
9fps. Is very attractive and is better than my existing Canon
(film) but faster than I really need (I don't shoot a lot of fast
action shots/sports, etc) Of course this is a personal thing.
Still...$5,000 for just a body with a 4 mp ccd? I don't care how
many buttons you put on it, $5,000 is too much for the next step
from the D-30. On that note, $3,000 for the D-30 is too much.

I totally agree with you up to this...

Stew44949 said:
Boy these folks in Japan know how to sucker us!

But on the other hand... If it were Nikon and Canon, we would have been paying Kodak $25,000 for a 3mp camera today.

Stew44949 said:
Stew

Charles Chien · Aug 16, 2001

Charles Chien said:
Stew said:

Okay 4mp. I can live with that. The Olympus E-10 has been shooting
with a 4mp CCD since November of last year and it shoots beautiful
pictures. 5mp would be gravy.
9fps. Is very attractive and is better than my existing Canon
(film) but faster than I really need (I don't shoot a lot of fast
action shots/sports, etc) Of course this is a personal thing.
Still...$5,000 for just a body with a 4 mp ccd? I don't care how
many buttons you put on it, $5,000 is too much for the next step
from the D-30. On that note, $3,000 for the D-30 is too much.

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I totally agree with you up to this...

Member said:

Boy these folks in Japan know how to sucker us!

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But on the other hand... If it were Nikon and Canon, we would have
been paying Kodak $25,000 for a 3mp camera today.

I meant "if it were NOT Nikon and Canon..."

Member said:
Member said:

Stew

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Peter Lindsey · Aug 16, 2001

So you were right about the announcement, Kai.

I'll start believing in your posts a little more.

but it WAS the G2, so I'll still have to take your info with a pinch of salt.

Thanks for keeping us informed. Keep it up!

Kai Pin said:
Domingo said:

Kai Pin, If you are there, please come out and refute the rumor of
4mp version. Your earlier post did not mentioned anything about
4mp. Your reputation is at stake here

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Let's just say it is not the pro digital EOS SLR we are waiting
for. The official announcement is slated for August 17 by the CEO
(Japan time). It is a 4.1-mpixel model but is not the so-called G2
as the G1 is still a current model (not dicsontinued).

The sales reps were told of the specs concerning the upcoming pro
digital EOS and also shown an actual version of the non-EOS
4.1-mpixel model but in the excitement, someone probably got
mixed-up both the specs into one super unit.

Kai Pin

Kai Pin · Aug 16, 2001

Peter Lindsey said:
So you were right about the announcement, Kai.

I'll start believing in your posts a little more.

but it WAS the G2, so I'll still have to take your info with a
pinch of salt.

Thanks for keeping us informed. Keep it up!

No problem about the slight error in determining the new PowerShot model. There is another non-EOS 4.1-megapixel model that I knew of and the G2 is supposed to be revealed only later (like PMA Show 2002). Let's just say that I am as much surprise as anyone else as to whatever happen to the other 4.1-mpixel model at the moment.

Kai Pin

JR26266 · Aug 16, 2001

Maybe the 6-8mp pro model that was planned for is having a few problems and the 4.1 cmos chip of the alternative model you talk about is going to be used as a stopgap in a pro body....??? I just hope the 6mp, nearer full frame camera is coming soon. I don't need 10fps- 5 or 6 will do.
JR

Kai Pin said:
Peter Lindsey said:

So you were right about the announcement, Kai.

I'll start believing in your posts a little more.

but it WAS the G2, so I'll still have to take your info with a
pinch of salt.

Thanks for keeping us informed. Keep it up!

Click to expand...

No problem about the slight error in determining the new PowerShot
model. There is another non-EOS 4.1-megapixel model that I knew of
and the G2 is supposed to be revealed only later (like PMA Show
2002). Let's just say that I am as much surprise as anyone else as
to whatever happen to the other 4.1-mpixel model at the moment.

Kai Pin

Patrick Tower · Aug 17, 2001

The only thing that has become clear to me in all of these discussions is that Canon is either actively feeding the rumor mill or encouraging its reps to disclose conflicting "information." There just can't be this many (unintentionally) misinformed "sources close to Canon."

This strategy makes sense, as it keeps people interested in what might actually come out, and one of the rumors is bound to be in line with that any one person wants. Now if they'd just spend as much energy getting an actual camera out there before all of the white lenses disappear from the sidelines. (Pardon my sports photojournalist slant here.)

The latest I heard, about a Canon rep who "let something slip" while lunching with a Nikon rep: 11 or 12 megapixel, obtained by pairing two CCD's which will be processed in parallel. I've heard this one before but heard that Canon was having trouble getting the sensitivity/color to match between the two halves. This clearly would be a competitor to the D1X and DCS760 rather than the D1H/DCS720 and intended for the studio rather than PJ user.

I guess I should just stick to the ranks of the "wait and hope" crew and work on the backup plan to switch back to Nikon if Canon doesn't at least announce a PJ camera by year's end and release it by the Olympics.

-Patrick

DavidP: · Aug 17, 2001

Haven't thought of the fact that the Olympics are right around the corner...IF Canon were to do something, what better event? Now back up the timeline from there

Patrick Tower said:
The only thing that has become clear to me in all of these
discussions is that Canon is either actively feeding the rumor mill
or encouraging its reps to disclose conflicting "information."
There just can't be this many (unintentionally) misinformed
"sources close to Canon."

This strategy makes sense, as it keeps people interested in what
might actually come out, and one of the rumors is bound to be in
line with that any one person wants. Now if they'd just spend as
much energy getting an actual camera out there before all of the
white lenses disappear from the sidelines. (Pardon my sports
photojournalist slant here.)

The latest I heard, about a Canon rep who "let something slip"
while lunching with a Nikon rep: 11 or 12 megapixel, obtained by
pairing two CCD's which will be processed in parallel. I've heard
this one before but heard that Canon was having trouble getting the
sensitivity/color to match between the two halves. This clearly
would be a competitor to the D1X and DCS760 rather than the
D1H/DCS720 and intended for the studio rather than PJ user.

I guess I should just stick to the ranks of the "wait and hope"
crew and work on the backup plan to switch back to Nikon if Canon
doesn't at least announce a PJ camera by year's end and release it
by the Olympics.

-Patrick

WH Yi · Aug 19, 2001

My guess is that Kai was expecting the S40 that he mentioned in an earlier post. I've been wondering if Canon was going to neaten up the gap in their consumer line (currently S110 & S300 for micro 2MP, A10 for basic 1MP, A20 for basic 2MP - leaves the old S20 holding the fort at 3MP, needing refreshment - refining the S20 to a 3MP S30 would make sense, and hey, if they have the 4MP CCD for a G2, why not bring a 4MP S40 to the general public as well? With good pricing and distribution, Canon could really sweep the consumer digicam market in the upcoming holiday season. I've already seen Canon digicam ads on network TV here in the USA.

Peter Lindsey said:
I'll start believing in your posts a little more.

but it WAS the G2, so I'll still have to take your info with a
pinch of salt.

Thanks for keeping us informed. Keep it up!

Kai Pin said:

Domingo said:

Kai Pin, If you are there, please come out and refute the rumor of
4mp version. Your earlier post did not mentioned anything about
4mp. Your reputation is at stake here

Click to expand...

Let's just say it is not the pro digital EOS SLR we are waiting
for. The official announcement is slated for August 17 by the CEO
(Japan time). It is a 4.1-mpixel model but is not the so-called G2
as the G1 is still a current model (not dicsontinued).

The sales reps were told of the specs concerning the upcoming pro
digital EOS and also shown an actual version of the non-EOS
4.1-mpixel model but in the excitement, someone probably got
mixed-up both the specs into one super unit.

Kai Pin

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Dick · Aug 20, 2001

Then what about the D1h????
This is a $5000 2.7Mpix camera!!!

Jay said:
Jef Brewer said:

The new Canon SLR is going to be a 4MP camera, 9fps, approximately
$5000, and should start shipping in October/November.
--
Jef

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magnoliafan · Aug 20, 2001

Actually the D1h is listed at $4350 (Nikon lowest advertised rate) on most online stores and it sells at several reputable dealers for $3999 (when available). It looks like the discount stores may well sell it for $3700 when there are more cameras in the channel. However, you are within an order of magnitude on your price estimate so bravo.

**** said:
Jay said:

Jef Brewer said:

The new Canon SLR is going to be a 4MP camera, 9fps, approximately
$5000, and should start shipping in October/November.
--
Jef

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Dick · Aug 21, 2001

The $5000 of this new Canon is a LIST price, not a STREET price!

magnoliafan said:
**** said:

Jay said:

Jef Brewer said:

The new Canon SLR is going to be a 4MP camera, 9fps, approximately
$5000, and should start shipping in October/November.
--
Jef

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Paul Juhn · Aug 21, 2001

Stew wrote:
Boy these folks in Japan know how to sucker us!

Why can't you americans make one like from Japan?
Wake up!

Larry H. Smith · Aug 21, 2001

paul juhn said:
Stew wrote:
Boy these folks in Japan know how to sucker us!

Why can't you americans make one like from Japan?
Wake up!

Maybe a fair question, ...maybe not. Thin-ice in either case. (maybe we spent too much time and money "rebuilding" other countries?)

Whatever the answer, I believe that should be (A)mericans,...not (a)mericans you know, ...like (J)apan!

Larry

Brent57125 · Aug 21, 2001

Jef Brewer said:
The new Canon SLR is going to be a 4MP camera, 9fps, approximately
$5000, and should start shipping in October/November.
--
Jef

And if this is true, I should buy this camera because... ?

Tom O'Neil · Aug 21, 2001

I'm in the same non-pro boat. Two years ago, I thought the price/feature mix would be approaching a reasonable point where I would be getting a digital SLR about now. It didn't happen, so I'm holding out hope for two years from now. I have no plans to dispose of the 1v and the film scanner, and if I need something quick and dirty I've got a P&S digital. Digital makes great sense for event shooters but for serious amateurs who are more interested in price and quality than speed, film still has its advantages.

SteveB said:
As a non-pro (ie, no tax deductions for all this expensive
equipment) who simply wants the best camera at an affordable
price, I'd love to see Canon come out with an enhanced D30 for
under $3000 and let the D30 drop in price to take over the
lucrative prosumer market. The main enhancements I'd like would
be a few more pixels (4 would do nicely), improved autofocus, and
most important, a split image/microprism spot on the screed to aid
in precise manual focus. I'd run up my credit card for that in a
heartbeat! LOL

Jake. E · Aug 21, 2001

It's just another wacky rumor.

The new Canon SLR is gonna be a 1,00mp camera with 60.8 fps and cost approximately 2 small islands.

Brent said:
Jef Brewer said:

The new Canon SLR is going to be a 4MP camera, 9fps, approximately
$5000, and should start shipping in October/November.
--
Jef

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And if this is true, I should buy this camera because... ?

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