David,
Actually, I seem to get along pretty well with a lot of people. And yes, sometimes I rub people the wrong way. But if it is important for even more people to get to know me and you want to maintain the public discussion, fine. Remember, however, the reciprocal is true as well: people are getting to know you too.
Since you seem to be begging for a way out, I think it is important for you to understand how you slid into this. You started with a strange but semi-plausible point about Linux and Sigma users. That quickly shifted to a discussion with spm (do you know who she is?) about color:
"Actually, the evidence that I would present is the same you
would present, I'd guess. I'd say the colors that come out of the
sigma SD9 et 10 are often unnatural. You, I'd guess, would say, no,
the colors are fine."
In rereading her posting and this response, I wonder whether you actually read what she wrote. Anyway, in her reply, she made it clear that the entire matter was "subjective". You dipped into the paint can again and worked your way toward the corner:
"Yes, beyond a certain baseline, everything can be changed. But it just
seems SD9/SD10 don't provide a realistic, natural looking, baseline
to start the artistic process from."
A bit later in response to Erik's comment about Dave Etchells, you said:
"I would just say look here for 30 minutes or so:
http://www.pbase.com/sigmasd9/root
It doesn't matter what I, you, or Mr. Etchells thinks ... as people
can easily decide for themselves by looking at the photos
themselves."
You throw in a dash of fantasy to end your participation in that thread:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1000&message=14103042
Where do you get that stuff? I have read a lot of postings, and I really cannot remember anything like that from a Sigma user anywhere. You better find the link.
Completely misreading Richard Stone's long post, you hit back with fluff:
"They came into "Open Talk" and
were strutting around, et cetera, but when it came time to talk
about other issues, they just tried to look the other way, and
attempted to figure out a way to ignore the problems."
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1000&message=14109128
Here is your posting that has the subtle shifts that got you in hot water with me at least:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1000&message=14112186
In the three images cited, you ask rhetorically whether the colors are not unusual. That leaves things open for interpretation. You even admit "I've never seen green plants exactly that color green."
You slap the SD10 up a bit, and then write this remarkable sentence:
"Of course, one could say it isn't the SD10's fault, but merely a fault
in the post-processing. But still, using my 1D Mark II and Capture One
to process the files, I don't get strange colors like that."
As we know now, this is not entirely true in many ways. By your own admission, you do get strange colors at times. Also, how is Capture One different from SPP in terms of the process. And finally, you allow for user error and then deny it through your own faulty experience. And from your own images, we know why you would come to the conclusion in the sentence that follows:
"It sure seems to me, at the very least, that messing up the colors in the
post processing is an error very oddly common to SD10 owners."
With your baseline - as revealed by the now hidden galleries - in blue, of course all of the other colors are going to look strange.
Missing Seng's open door to subjectivity again, you throw back a "weight of numbers" argument and proceed to narrow your issue to AWB. And then this remarkable sentence:
"I posted the three examples. You shouldn't be afraid of having
people look at the photos themselves and compare the photos
to their memories. What more is needed than that ?"
Now we can jump to the end to see how much paint is on that floor and how big your spot is in the corner.
If Lin is not allowed to rely on his memory or if I am not allowed to rely on mine or if many others are not allowed to rely on theirs, how in the name of the great pixel is there supposed to be any foundation under what you say in that sentence?
Your problem is that it is your memory and your experience that counts and no one else's. If it matches yours, it is good; if not, it is not. You and "all the others" who agree with you can compare images to their memories (even if they were not there) and yet the photographer making the image cannot, because his or her memory is not reliable - because it does not match yours.
You cannot have it both ways David. Wait patiently for the paint to dry.
--
Laurence
There is a tide in the affairs of men,
Which, taken at the flood, leads on to fortune;
Omitted, all the voyage of their life
Is bound in shallows and in miseries.
http://www.pbase.com/lmatson/root
http://www.pbase.com/sigmasd9/root
http://www.pbase.com/cameras/sigma/sd10
http://www.pbase.com/cameras/sigma/sd9
http://www.beachbriss.com (eternal test site)
