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Ok, I just made the plunge into an E-10 (water wasn't overly deep though since I got it for $1288 'cause my son works for the retailer - what a break for me, otherwise I'd have stayed with my C-3000z).

What a beautiful machine the E-10 is! Feels wonderful, everything falls to the hand, and the images are amazing, even when cropped 2 or 3:1. An entirely different experience than the C-3000! Thanks for all your wonderful posts and encouragement about it!

Now to the problem. I shot a half-dozen black images (lens cap on, darkened room, eye finder closed. ISO 80, from 30 seconds down to 2 seconds, all checked with deadpixeltest.exe. Everything is fine to 1/4", then I get ...

1/2": 4 hot pixels (around X=1854, Y=1233, luma 77)
1": 8 hot pixels (2 major "clumps" with luma 95)
2": 12 hot pixels (3 "clumps", luma 66~155)

Firmware is 120, the non-pixel-mapping version. NONE of these hot pixels appears intrusive, and most are at low luminance. And no dead or stuck pixels anywhere.

What should I do:
1. Do nothing ... the camera is fine or, at least, acceptable,

2. Return the camera and get a new one having firmware 130 (I've got 15 days to do this), or
3. Return the camera to Oly for repair.

Sorry for the long post, but I know you've thought about this a lot and would appreciate your input.

Regards.
 
IF you could return it and get a camera with the 130 firmware, that would be the way to go; no sending it to Oly, etc. But they seem rather hard to find. Also read the thread on Oly's announcment about the firmware upgrade; seems they thing the lens cap test is bogus, so you may not have a problem (according to Olympus:))

John
Bill said:
Ok, I just made the plunge into an E-10 (water wasn't overly deep
though since I got it for $1288 'cause my son works for the
retailer - what a break for me, otherwise I'd have stayed with my
C-3000z).

What a beautiful machine the E-10 is! Feels wonderful, everything
falls to the hand, and the images are amazing, even when cropped 2
or 3:1. An entirely different experience than the C-3000! Thanks
for all your wonderful posts and encouragement about it!

Now to the problem. I shot a half-dozen black images (lens cap on,
darkened room, eye finder closed. ISO 80, from 30 seconds down to 2
seconds, all checked with deadpixeltest.exe. Everything is fine to
1/4", then I get ...

1/2": 4 hot pixels (around X=1854, Y=1233, luma 77)
1": 8 hot pixels (2 major "clumps" with luma 95)
2": 12 hot pixels (3 "clumps", luma 66~155)

Firmware is 120, the non-pixel-mapping version. NONE of these hot
pixels appears intrusive, and most are at low luminance. And no
dead or stuck pixels anywhere.

What should I do:
1. Do nothing ... the camera is fine or, at least, acceptable,
2. Return the camera and get a new one having firmware 130 (I've
got 15 days to do this), or
3. Return the camera to Oly for repair.

Sorry for the long post, but I know you've thought about this a lot
and would appreciate your input.

Regards.
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Gourdfather,

How did Olympus come up with the theory that the lens cap test is bogus?

Just wondering.

Michael
Gourdfather said:
John
Bill said:
Ok, I just made the plunge into an E-10 (water wasn't overly deep
though since I got it for $1288 'cause my son works for the
retailer - what a break for me, otherwise I'd have stayed with my
C-3000z).

What a beautiful machine the E-10 is! Feels wonderful, everything
falls to the hand, and the images are amazing, even when cropped 2
or 3:1. An entirely different experience than the C-3000! Thanks
for all your wonderful posts and encouragement about it!

Now to the problem. I shot a half-dozen black images (lens cap on,
darkened room, eye finder closed. ISO 80, from 30 seconds down to 2
seconds, all checked with deadpixeltest.exe. Everything is fine to
1/4", then I get ...

1/2": 4 hot pixels (around X=1854, Y=1233, luma 77)
1": 8 hot pixels (2 major "clumps" with luma 95)
2": 12 hot pixels (3 "clumps", luma 66~155)

Firmware is 120, the non-pixel-mapping version. NONE of these hot
pixels appears intrusive, and most are at low luminance. And no
dead or stuck pixels anywhere.

What should I do:
1. Do nothing ... the camera is fine or, at least, acceptable,
2. Return the camera and get a new one having firmware 130 (I've
got 15 days to do this), or
3. Return the camera to Oly for repair.

Sorry for the long post, but I know you've thought about this a lot
and would appreciate your input.

Regards.
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Option #2 for sure.
Bill said:
Ok, I just made the plunge into an E-10 (water wasn't overly deep
though since I got it for $1288 'cause my son works for the
retailer - what a break for me, otherwise I'd have stayed with my
C-3000z).

What a beautiful machine the E-10 is! Feels wonderful, everything
falls to the hand, and the images are amazing, even when cropped 2
or 3:1. An entirely different experience than the C-3000! Thanks
for all your wonderful posts and encouragement about it!

Now to the problem. I shot a half-dozen black images (lens cap on,
darkened room, eye finder closed. ISO 80, from 30 seconds down to 2
seconds, all checked with deadpixeltest.exe. Everything is fine to
1/4", then I get ...

1/2": 4 hot pixels (around X=1854, Y=1233, luma 77)
1": 8 hot pixels (2 major "clumps" with luma 95)
2": 12 hot pixels (3 "clumps", luma 66~155)

Firmware is 120, the non-pixel-mapping version. NONE of these hot
pixels appears intrusive, and most are at low luminance. And no
dead or stuck pixels anywhere.

What should I do:
1. Do nothing ... the camera is fine or, at least, acceptable,
2. Return the camera and get a new one having firmware 130 (I've
got 15 days to do this), or
3. Return the camera to Oly for repair.

Sorry for the long post, but I know you've thought about this a lot
and would appreciate your input.

Regards.
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I'd be surprised if there were very many E-10's out there that will do better on the test. Mine certainly won't. Seems to me that at its core the "problem" is more a question of the psychological state of the owner rather than a practical issue with the camera.
Bill said:
Ok, I just made the plunge into an E-10 (water wasn't overly deep
though since I got it for $1288 'cause my son works for the
retailer - what a break for me, otherwise I'd have stayed with my
C-3000z).

What a beautiful machine the E-10 is! Feels wonderful, everything
falls to the hand, and the images are amazing, even when cropped 2
or 3:1. An entirely different experience than the C-3000! Thanks
for all your wonderful posts and encouragement about it!

Now to the problem. I shot a half-dozen black images (lens cap on,
darkened room, eye finder closed. ISO 80, from 30 seconds down to 2
seconds, all checked with deadpixeltest.exe. Everything is fine to
1/4", then I get ...

1/2": 4 hot pixels (around X=1854, Y=1233, luma 77)
1": 8 hot pixels (2 major "clumps" with luma 95)
2": 12 hot pixels (3 "clumps", luma 66~155)

Firmware is 120, the non-pixel-mapping version. NONE of these hot
pixels appears intrusive, and most are at low luminance. And no
dead or stuck pixels anywhere.

What should I do:
1. Do nothing ... the camera is fine or, at least, acceptable,
2. Return the camera and get a new one having firmware 130 (I've
got 15 days to do this), or
3. Return the camera to Oly for repair.

Sorry for the long post, but I know you've thought about this a lot
and would appreciate your input.

Regards.
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Chas, I wonder about that too. Thanks for your perspective. With such long shutter speeds and unobtrusive hot pixels it hardly seems worth worrying about.

But I just checked the manual focus and learned my E-10 does have a problem. There's no likelihood a replacement camera will work better, even with the 130 firmware, is there? Should I wait 'til even newer FW is available???
ChasFenwick said:
Bill said:
Ok, I just made the plunge into an E-10 (water wasn't overly deep
though since I got it for $1288 'cause my son works for the
retailer - what a break for me, otherwise I'd have stayed with my
C-3000z).

What a beautiful machine the E-10 is! Feels wonderful, everything
falls to the hand, and the images are amazing, even when cropped 2
or 3:1. An entirely different experience than the C-3000! Thanks
for all your wonderful posts and encouragement about it!

Now to the problem. I shot a half-dozen black images (lens cap on,
darkened room, eye finder closed. ISO 80, from 30 seconds down to 2
seconds, all checked with deadpixeltest.exe. Everything is fine to
1/4", then I get ...

1/2": 4 hot pixels (around X=1854, Y=1233, luma 77)
1": 8 hot pixels (2 major "clumps" with luma 95)
2": 12 hot pixels (3 "clumps", luma 66~155)

Firmware is 120, the non-pixel-mapping version. NONE of these hot
pixels appears intrusive, and most are at low luminance. And no
dead or stuck pixels anywhere.

What should I do:
1. Do nothing ... the camera is fine or, at least, acceptable,
2. Return the camera and get a new one having firmware 130 (I've
got 15 days to do this), or
3. Return the camera to Oly for repair.

Sorry for the long post, but I know you've thought about this a lot
and would appreciate your input.

Regards.
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What is your manual focus doing? Mine has always seemed to behave oddly but, in the absence of comparing it with another one, I can't say categorically that they all aren't like this. Happily, the autofocus does the job a large percentage of the time.
Bill said:
But I just checked the manual focus and learned my E-10 does have a
problem. There's no likelihood a replacement camera will work
better, even with the 130 firmware, is there? Should I wait 'til
even newer FW is available???
ChasFenwick said:
Bill said:
Ok, I just made the plunge into an E-10 (water wasn't overly deep
though since I got it for $1288 'cause my son works for the
retailer - what a break for me, otherwise I'd have stayed with my
C-3000z).

What a beautiful machine the E-10 is! Feels wonderful, everything
falls to the hand, and the images are amazing, even when cropped 2
or 3:1. An entirely different experience than the C-3000! Thanks
for all your wonderful posts and encouragement about it!

Now to the problem. I shot a half-dozen black images (lens cap on,
darkened room, eye finder closed. ISO 80, from 30 seconds down to 2
seconds, all checked with deadpixeltest.exe. Everything is fine to
1/4", then I get ...

1/2": 4 hot pixels (around X=1854, Y=1233, luma 77)
1": 8 hot pixels (2 major "clumps" with luma 95)
2": 12 hot pixels (3 "clumps", luma 66~155)

Firmware is 120, the non-pixel-mapping version. NONE of these hot
pixels appears intrusive, and most are at low luminance. And no
dead or stuck pixels anywhere.

What should I do:
1. Do nothing ... the camera is fine or, at least, acceptable,
2. Return the camera and get a new one having firmware 130 (I've
got 15 days to do this), or
3. Return the camera to Oly for repair.

Sorry for the long post, but I know you've thought about this a lot
and would appreciate your input.

Regards.
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Set up a shot having lots of depth of field, shoot wide open on a target object with auto focus, then again using manual focus on the same target object. For me, the focus is inaccurate in manual focus mode. It seems as if the focus screen is misaligned, so using manual mode results in your focus being off. The problem is discussed & illustrated in detail at Dave Weikel's site: http://davidweikel.com/E10_samples/manual_focus/manual_focus.shtml
Regards!
ChasFenwick said:
Bill said:
But I just checked the manual focus and learned my E-10 does have a
problem. There's no likelihood a replacement camera will work
better, even with the 130 firmware, is there? Should I wait 'til
even newer FW is available???
ChasFenwick said:
Bill said:
Ok, I just made the plunge into an E-10 (water wasn't overly deep
though since I got it for $1288 'cause my son works for the
retailer - what a break for me, otherwise I'd have stayed with my
C-3000z).

What a beautiful machine the E-10 is! Feels wonderful, everything
falls to the hand, and the images are amazing, even when cropped 2
or 3:1. An entirely different experience than the C-3000! Thanks
for all your wonderful posts and encouragement about it!

Now to the problem. I shot a half-dozen black images (lens cap on,
darkened room, eye finder closed. ISO 80, from 30 seconds down to 2
seconds, all checked with deadpixeltest.exe. Everything is fine to
1/4", then I get ...

1/2": 4 hot pixels (around X=1854, Y=1233, luma 77)
1": 8 hot pixels (2 major "clumps" with luma 95)
2": 12 hot pixels (3 "clumps", luma 66~155)

Firmware is 120, the non-pixel-mapping version. NONE of these hot
pixels appears intrusive, and most are at low luminance. And no
dead or stuck pixels anywhere.

What should I do:
1. Do nothing ... the camera is fine or, at least, acceptable,
2. Return the camera and get a new one having firmware 130 (I've
got 15 days to do this), or
3. Return the camera to Oly for repair.

Sorry for the long post, but I know you've thought about this a lot
and would appreciate your input.

Regards.
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Hi Bill

well - if it was me (it is, in a way, as I can get similar results with the test). I'd just forget it.

Even if you can see those pixels, how often to you shoot at that shutter speed (and then it's only 2 seconds with the clone tool).

Just enjoy - if it get's worse, you can get the new firmware when the rush has died down (and they've figured out how to do it properly).

kind regards
jono slack
http://www.slack.co.uk
Bill said:
Ok, I just made the plunge into an E-10 (water wasn't overly deep
though since I got it for $1288 'cause my son works for the
retailer - what a break for me, otherwise I'd have stayed with my
C-3000z).

What a beautiful machine the E-10 is! Feels wonderful, everything
falls to the hand, and the images are amazing, even when cropped 2
or 3:1. An entirely different experience than the C-3000! Thanks
for all your wonderful posts and encouragement about it!

Now to the problem. I shot a half-dozen black images (lens cap on,
darkened room, eye finder closed. ISO 80, from 30 seconds down to 2
seconds, all checked with deadpixeltest.exe. Everything is fine to
1/4", then I get ...

1/2": 4 hot pixels (around X=1854, Y=1233, luma 77)
1": 8 hot pixels (2 major "clumps" with luma 95)
2": 12 hot pixels (3 "clumps", luma 66~155)

Firmware is 120, the non-pixel-mapping version. NONE of these hot
pixels appears intrusive, and most are at low luminance. And no
dead or stuck pixels anywhere.

What should I do:
1. Do nothing ... the camera is fine or, at least, acceptable,
2. Return the camera and get a new one having firmware 130 (I've
got 15 days to do this), or
3. Return the camera to Oly for repair.

Sorry for the long post, but I know you've thought about this a lot
and would appreciate your input.

Regards.
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Yes. This would seem to be a poor time to be sending a camera into an Oly service shop. I think I'll re-evaluate the situation in a couple of months.
Jono Slack said:
Even if you can see those pixels, how often to you shoot at that
shutter speed (and then it's only 2 seconds with the clone tool).

Just enjoy - if it get's worse, you can get the new firmware when
the rush has died down (and they've figured out how to do it
properly).

kind regards
jono slack
http://www.slack.co.uk
Bill said:
Ok, I just made the plunge into an E-10 (water wasn't overly deep
though since I got it for $1288 'cause my son works for the
retailer - what a break for me, otherwise I'd have stayed with my
C-3000z).

What a beautiful machine the E-10 is! Feels wonderful, everything
falls to the hand, and the images are amazing, even when cropped 2
or 3:1. An entirely different experience than the C-3000! Thanks
for all your wonderful posts and encouragement about it!

Now to the problem. I shot a half-dozen black images (lens cap on,
darkened room, eye finder closed. ISO 80, from 30 seconds down to 2
seconds, all checked with deadpixeltest.exe. Everything is fine to
1/4", then I get ...

1/2": 4 hot pixels (around X=1854, Y=1233, luma 77)
1": 8 hot pixels (2 major "clumps" with luma 95)
2": 12 hot pixels (3 "clumps", luma 66~155)

Firmware is 120, the non-pixel-mapping version. NONE of these hot
pixels appears intrusive, and most are at low luminance. And no
dead or stuck pixels anywhere.

What should I do:
1. Do nothing ... the camera is fine or, at least, acceptable,
2. Return the camera and get a new one having firmware 130 (I've
got 15 days to do this), or
3. Return the camera to Oly for repair.

Sorry for the long post, but I know you've thought about this a lot
and would appreciate your input.

Regards.
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